When Romney becomes President.......

TUT

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The Republicans have controlled the House for less than two years. They've presented numerous budgets that go nowhere

Because their budgets are just more corporate welfare and not much more substance then that. Now if we hadn't lost so much to outsourcing we might have even trusted them. But I think many are seeing that we've already given a lot of cuts towards biz, gone along with deregulation and really none of the benefits have come to help the average American get a job or getting a better paying job, this all just went to the fatties at the top. An average American is also the small business owner, these benefits are mostly for the major players in business, the small business owner is just a worker going on their own. Not connected. It takes time it seems for them to realize what's goin on.
 

vantexan

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Without a doubt. One side doesn't want the president to have any feathers in his cap and has sit down on Americans shutting down the federal gov't. It also seems they extrapolated their ideals to their biggest supporters whom are very powerful to do the same. It's a total power play and falling for it will cost the average worker because they are on a path of Corporate Governing and as bad as one may think the current system is, I trust corporations even less making the rules. History shows it is STACKED! Corporations don't make common rights, certain govt's do.

When will the Democrat controlled Senate present a budget? And the Republicans in the House have greatly curtailed runaway spending. What feathers would Obama be sporting if he had unlimited access to funds?
 

DontThrowPackages

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Without a doubt. One side doesn't want the president to have any feathers in his cap and has sit down on Americans shutting down the federal gov't. It also seems they extrapolated their ideals to their biggest supporters whom are very powerful to do the same. It's a total power play and falling for it will cost the average worker because they are on a path of Corporate Governing and as bad as one may think the current system is, I trust corporations even less making the rules. History shows it is STACKED! Corporations don't make common rights, certain govt's do.

Bribes, also known as lobbying, are made to politicians in return for favors. Don't you feel we are less of a republic and more of a form of plutocracy already?
 

vantexan

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What exactly in the new health program has drastically raised cost for employers? I want clear cut specifics. I heard here that Fedex medical went up a lot this past year, so even if it does cost more, I see companies having no issue just charging their employees more. So net change is nil for them. But then again medical was going up 15-20% each year prior to the health care changes, so what was so grand about that system? Nothing. Everyone not in healthcare knew it needed addressing for over 20 years now.

But this is why it is very hard to know what is the truth, the two sides will not agree so you have two exact opposite stories. How does your average person know? I've heard small business owners from their mouths say they can now offer medical insurance again where they couldn't prior to the health care changes. Are they lying? Could be, I don't know. But then I go to the Fair and Balance network, there isn't one thing at all right about the program, not one, every word is wrong. And to them there is no gray area at all, they know for fact it's is totally bad and is the most painfully obvious fail of a program ever AS IF the prior system wasn't broken to start with. The broken health care system is one of the major reasons we so heavily outsourced and hasn't been broken since the 80's. Oh but there I go I just answered the question, the Repubs don't like it beyond typical party lines because the old system was great at allowing them to explain yet another reason why they outsource. Are you happy with outsourcing and find that ideal for a country needing jobs? Which party is more ok with outsourcing? We are talking American jobs here right?

I'm not sure the new medical system has kicked in enough to have it be a factor as to why companies will not hire like we witness today. I totally do believe the program is attacked wrongfully by the other party because that is politics today. It is all about party and not country and well you can't give the other party credit for anything let alone a potentially huge change to the system... if it indeed works. Everyone knew the old system was out of control and now one side is trying to play me the fool with revisionists history. I DO KNOW "THAT IS LIE" Maury is even blushing.

So to me these general Obamacare attacks without real specifics and LINKS is blah blah and to simply muddy the waters. So surprising.

Google Obamacare facts and read first entry. They do a good job of accurately listing the pros and cons.
 

MrFedEx

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Google Obamacare facts and read first entry. They do a good job of accurately listing the pros and cons.

Romney---Major League Corporate Shill. First ballot Hall of Fame. Friend of Fred S
Obama----Minor League Corporate Shill. AAA, maybe Double-A "ballplayer". Buddy of Fred S.

I'm choosing the lesser of two evils.
 

vantexan

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Romney---Major League Corporate Shill. First ballot Hall of Fame. Friend of Fred S
Obama----Minor League Corporate Shill. AAA, maybe Double-A "ballplayer". Buddy of Fred S.

I'm choosing the lesser of two evils.

You're choosing a president who isn't friendly to business, let alone big business. I hope in future elections people actually look at the record of a person and see if he produced real world results with real world experience. Unfortunately the Republicans fielded a tired old man last time who stood no chance against a great orator full of youthful energy. Not to mention so many voted for him just because he's black. But that great orator had no experience running anything and it has shown. Like him all you want, but the Presidency shouldn't be a popularity contest. If Romney was put forth as a candidate because he looks a certain way, has a big healthy family, and is just an all around swell guy I'd think the Republians had lost their minds. Out of those who ran only Newt Gingrich would have done as well a job, if not better, than Romney but Gingrich grates on the nerves so much it cost him the nomination. Herman Caine maybe but we've already had a president with women stashed everywhere. If we are going to vote based on likeabilty, or because we hate the rich, or any reason other than a proven, competent administrator then we get the government we deserve. And more misery.
 

DorkHead

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I`ll be choosing the candidate that favors my interests, which means my Union, who protects my interests. I`ll be voting for Barack Obama.
 

DorkHead

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I don`t know how you get being "patriotic" out of my post, but..........
My Interests = my vote. Just like millions of other voters.
 

MrFedEx

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You're choosing a president who isn't friendly to business, let alone big business. I hope in future elections people actually look at the record of a person and see if he produced real world results with real world experience. Unfortunately the Republicans fielded a tired old man last time who stood no chance against a great orator full of youthful energy. Not to mention so many voted for him just because he's black. But that great orator had no experience running anything and it has shown. Like him all you want, but the Presidency shouldn't be a popularity contest. If Romney was put forth as a candidate because he looks a certain way, has a big healthy family, and is just an all around swell guy I'd think the Republians had lost their minds. Out of those who ran only Newt Gingrich would have done as well a job, if not better, than Romney but Gingrich grates on the nerves so much it cost him the nomination. Herman Caine maybe but we've already had a president with women stashed everywhere. If we are going to vote based on likeabilty, or because we hate the rich, or any reason other than a proven, competent administrator then we get the government we deserve. And more misery.

Obama campaigned like a Progressive in 2008, and he has governed like a Blue Dog Democat. Weak on labor, pro-Wall Street, and right in the center. Mitt Romney will give away the store to Big Business, because he's a tool. He's got the look, the money, but like the Scarecrow, he doesn't have the brain for the job, and unlike the movie, he isn't going to find one.
 

vantexan

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Obama campaigned like a Progressive in 2008, and he has governed like a Blue Dog Democat. Weak on labor, pro-Wall Street, and right in the center. Mitt Romney will give away the store to Big Business, because he's a tool. He's got the look, the money, but like the Scarecrow, he doesn't have the brain for the job, and unlike the movie, he isn't going to find one.
Romney has made millions with his brain, and is no "aw shucks" fellow you can ridicule. Obama has made plenty of gaffes, especially when he stops reading the teleprompter. I know what I've gotten with Obama, and am 99.9% sure Romney will improve conditions.
 

DorkHead

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Romney has made millions with his brain, and is no "aw shucks" fellow you can ridicule. Obama has made plenty of gaffes, especially when he stops reading the teleprompter. I know what I've gotten with Obama, and am 99.9% sure Romney will improve conditions.

Yes, he will improve conditions for..................Mr Romney
 

DorkHead

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Obama and family have toured the world on the taxpayers' dime. I'd say the Obamas have greatly improved conditions for themselves while he has done little to improve our's.

He has improved mine which is why, like I said, I will be voting for him.
 

MrFedEx

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Romney has made millions with his brain, and is no "aw shucks" fellow you can ridicule. Obama has made plenty of gaffes, especially when he stops reading the teleprompter. I know what I've gotten with Obama, and am 99.9% sure Romney will improve conditions.

Romney is a tool, as in he can and will be used by those even more rich and powerful than himself. I didn't say he was stupid, but he seems blissfully unaware of foreign policy and has nothing but Bush 2 for economic salvation. He's an extremely weak candidate that speaks in platitudes like "freedom from regulation". How effing vague is that? How about some specifics, Mr. Romney? Your tax returns would be a good start. What? You cannot release them? Is there any reason for that, sir?
 

vantexan

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Romney is a tool, as in he can and will be used by those even more rich and powerful than himself. I didn't say he was stupid, but he seems blissfully unaware of foreign policy and has nothing but Bush 2 for economic salvation. He's an extremely weak candidate.

OK, but if he wins, and if he actually implements policies that do improve the economy, I hope you'll concede he's better than you thought.
 

MrFedEx

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OK, but if he wins, and if he actually implements policies that do improve the economy, I hope you'll concede he's better than you thought.

He isn't going to win. Obama will mop the floor with Mitt on debates, and until Romney releases his taxes, there is no chance at all for him. van, you've got to ask yourself a question. "Why am I a Republican?"
 

vantexan

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He isn't going to win. Obama will mop the floor with Mitt on debates, and until Romney releases his taxes, there is no chance at all for him. van, you've got to ask yourself a question. "Why am I a Republican?"

If we're concerned with sealed documents, why doesn't Obama release his university records, especially his thesis? With Romney we'd most likely see a very wealthy man taking advantage of tax shelters to pay minimal taxes. With Obama I think we'd see someone enamored with social engineering, determined to remake society into some utopian/Marxist/socialist ideal. And that's why I'm a Republican, Capitalism works.
 

MrFedEx

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If we're concerned with sealed documents, why doesn't Obama release his university records, especially his thesis? With Romney we'd most likely see a very wealthy man taking advantage of tax shelters to pay minimal taxes. With Obama I think we'd see someone enamored with social engineering, determined to remake society into some utopian/Marxist/socialist ideal. And that's why I'm a Republican, Capitalism works.

It works best for the privilged, like Mitt Romney. Corporate profits are at an all-time high, and the stock market has doubled since 2008. Obama? Maybe?
 
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