When Romney becomes President.......

It will be fine

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And the Dems are desperate because they can't run on the economy. Thus all the name calling and accusations of not paying taxes, etc. It's laughable that many here think Obama will easily win. Among LIKELY voters polls are showing Romney 8 or 9 points ahead. Obama is about to get spanked just like Carter was.
Best post in this thread.
 

vantexan

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That's why it's funny. I enjoyed reading through it. All about how another Obama term was going to destroy the economy.
Lowest labor participation rate since 1977, more spending than all previous presidents combined, Obamacare has raised insurance costs through the roof and getting worse, smallest military since pre-WWII. The only reason Obama beat Romney is that 3 million less Republicans voted for Romney than McCain. Probably due to him being Morman. And the only reason Obama didn't wreck everything was the Republicans getting control of the House in 2010. If he had gotten his cap-and-trade global warming initiative through it would have ruined us.
 

bbsam

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Lowest labor participation rate since 1977, more spending than all previous presidents combined, Obamacare has raised insurance costs through the roof and getting worse, smallest military since pre-WWII. The only reason Obama beat Romney is that 3 million less Republicans voted for Romney than McCain. Probably due to him being Morman. And the only reason Obama didn't wreck everything was the Republicans getting control of the House in 2010. If he had gotten his cap-and-trade global warming initiative through it would have ruined us.
That's just silly.
 

bacha29

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Where does the problem lie with the blue collar class? . Everybody wants to bring manufacturing back to the U.S. but the fact of the matter is this. The U.S. manufacturing output is 4 times what it was in 1980 and 60% of it is exported. However in 1980 32 million Americans were employed in manufacturing. Today it's 10 million. 4 times the output of manufactured goods but employing less than 1/3 the number of people
 

overflowed

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Since IVE decided to necropost.
"You'll see it most likely before the end of the year, possibly as late as early next year.

This is the one thing about DRA that the Couriers that are using it don't understand. Station management is feeding the line about it 'making the Courier more productive' (its the current talking point).

That is complete smoke screen, bull sheet and whatever else you want to call it.

An experienced Courier that has been on the same route for at least 5 years, will handily beat what a computer program can do hands down. The engineers and station level management KNOWS THAT.

DRA is all about making that experienced Courier redundant.

DRA at best will achieve about 85-90% of what an experienced Courier can achieve. The goal ISN'T to make the Courier more time efficient, it is to make the Courier more COST efficient.

By making the need for an experienced Courier redundant, someone making significantly less can step in, get acceptable productivity and lower the 'delivery cost per package' by using computerized route planning.

This is why time is running out for you guys. I've seen daily routing reports for DRA. Many of them have been optimized to the point where the program can predict on road times to within 10 minutes for a full time route. As long as correct leave building times are entered, the report will kick out a detailed listing of the sequential stop order, the number of docs and boxes to be delivered at that stop, the customer's name and phone number for the stop, time spent getting to the stop from the previous, and anticipated RTB.

It clearly doesn't take into account the 'unexpected', but they will never be able to get a computer program to do that.

When engineering takes the time to work on getting the software to work as a Courier actually works, the program works remarkably well. Given the delivery manifests generated, I could easily step back into an Express truck after almost 3 years out, and get off volume on one of these routes and achieve acceptable productivity - WITHOUT HAVING RUN THE ROUTE PREVIOUSLY."
courtesy of R1A. For those of you who remember him. Did it do what it was intended to? Trump would say this is a disaster. This thing just makes OT.
 

vantexan

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Where does the problem lie with the blue collar class? . Everybody wants to bring manufacturing back to the U.S. but the fact of the matter is this. The U.S. manufacturing output is 4 times what it was in 1980 and 60% of it is exported. However in 1980 32 million Americans were employed in manufacturing. Today it's 10 million. 4 times the output of manufactured goods but employing less than 1/3 the number of people
It's automation and robotics that makes us more productive.
 

bbsam

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Since IVE decided to necropost.
"You'll see it most likely before the end of the year, possibly as late as early next year.

This is the one thing about DRA that the Couriers that are using it don't understand. Station management is feeding the line about it 'making the Courier more productive' (its the current talking point).

That is complete smoke screen, bull sheet and whatever else you want to call it.

An experienced Courier that has been on the same route for at least 5 years, will handily beat what a computer program can do hands down. The engineers and station level management KNOWS THAT.

DRA is all about making that experienced Courier redundant.

DRA at best will achieve about 85-90% of what an experienced Courier can achieve. The goal ISN'T to make the Courier more time efficient, it is to make the Courier more COST efficient.

By making the need for an experienced Courier redundant, someone making significantly less can step in, get acceptable productivity and lower the 'delivery cost per package' by using computerized route planning.

This is why time is running out for you guys. I've seen daily routing reports for DRA. Many of them have been optimized to the point where the program can predict on road times to within 10 minutes for a full time route. As long as correct leave building times are entered, the report will kick out a detailed listing of the sequential stop order, the number of docs and boxes to be delivered at that stop, the customer's name and phone number for the stop, time spent getting to the stop from the previous, and anticipated RTB.

It clearly doesn't take into account the 'unexpected', but they will never be able to get a computer program to do that.

When engineering takes the time to work on getting the software to work as a Courier actually works, the program works remarkably well. Given the delivery manifests generated, I could easily step back into an Express truck after almost 3 years out, and get off volume on one of these routes and achieve acceptable productivity - WITHOUT HAVING RUN THE ROUTE PREVIOUSLY."
courtesy of R1A. For those of you who remember him. Did it do what it was intended to? Trump would say this is a disaster. This thing just makes OT.
R1a. Smart guy.
 

vantexan

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Since IVE decided to necropost.
"You'll see it most likely before the end of the year, possibly as late as early next year.

This is the one thing about DRA that the Couriers that are using it don't understand. Station management is feeding the line about it 'making the Courier more productive' (its the current talking point).

That is complete smoke screen, bull sheet and whatever else you want to call it.

An experienced Courier that has been on the same route for at least 5 years, will handily beat what a computer program can do hands down. The engineers and station level management KNOWS THAT.

DRA is all about making that experienced Courier redundant.

DRA at best will achieve about 85-90% of what an experienced Courier can achieve. The goal ISN'T to make the Courier more time efficient, it is to make the Courier more COST efficient.

By making the need for an experienced Courier redundant, someone making significantly less can step in, get acceptable productivity and lower the 'delivery cost per package' by using computerized route planning.

This is why time is running out for you guys. I've seen daily routing reports for DRA. Many of them have been optimized to the point where the program can predict on road times to within 10 minutes for a full time route. As long as correct leave building times are entered, the report will kick out a detailed listing of the sequential stop order, the number of docs and boxes to be delivered at that stop, the customer's name and phone number for the stop, time spent getting to the stop from the previous, and anticipated RTB.

It clearly doesn't take into account the 'unexpected', but they will never be able to get a computer program to do that.

When engineering takes the time to work on getting the software to work as a Courier actually works, the program works remarkably well. Given the delivery manifests generated, I could easily step back into an Express truck after almost 3 years out, and get off volume on one of these routes and achieve acceptable productivity - WITHOUT HAVING RUN THE ROUTE PREVIOUSLY."
courtesy of R1A. For those of you who remember him. Did it do what it was intended to? Trump would say this is a disaster. This thing just makes OT.
But they figured if they can get people to work for Ground wages and no benefits they could do the same at Express. They figured wrong and now they're scrambling to keep newhires with all the old timers leaving. The conspiracy theory didn't work out as R1a predicted. Might have been their intent, but plans often go awry.
 

bbsam

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But they figured if they can get people to work for Ground wages and no benefits they could do the same at Express. They figured wrong and now they're scrambling to keep newhires with all the old timers leaving. The conspiracy theory didn't work out as R1a predicted. Might have been their intent, but plans often go awry.
You couldn't be more wrong. You're on your way to working for Ground wages; it's just in a prettier package. We used to have guys leave for Express all the time. Then they figure out the ruse; the split shifts, the weekends, the "code for every single activity". Well, word filters back to the Ground building and nobody leaves for Express anymore...unless the get caught on a dirty UA.
 

vantexan

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You couldn't be more wrong. You're on your way to working for Ground wages; it's just in a prettier package. We used to have guys leave for Express all the time. Then they figure out the ruse; the split shifts, the weekends, the "code for every single activity". Well, word filters back to the Ground building and nobody leaves for Express anymore...unless the get caught on a dirty UA.
But they are implementing a new pay system because they couldn't have been more wrong. Are you going to get similar pay at Ground?
 

bbsam

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But they are implementing a new pay system because they couldn't have been more wrong. Are you going to get similar pay at Ground?
We'll see. Do you really believe Fred's going to be straight up? If he gives you a dollar up front, are.you sure he didn't take $1.25 out the back? If you believe that, then I guess some people never learn.
 

vantexan

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We'll see. Do you really believe Fred's going to be straight up? If he gives you a dollar up front, are.you sure he didn't take $1.25 out the back? If you believe that, then I guess some people never learn.
And how's he going to do that that'll affect pay going forward. You are talking about what they've been doing. They've done just about all they can do, now they're paying better.
 

bbsam

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And how's he going to do that that'll affect pay going forward. You are talking about what they've been doing. They've done just about all they can do, now they're paying better.
They will take it away from benefits...just like they always do.
 

MrFedEx

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Since IVE decided to necropost.
"You'll see it most likely before the end of the year, possibly as late as early next year.

This is the one thing about DRA that the Couriers that are using it don't understand. Station management is feeding the line about it 'making the Courier more productive' (its the current talking point).

That is complete smoke screen, bull sheet and whatever else you want to call it.

An experienced Courier that has been on the same route for at least 5 years, will handily beat what a computer program can do hands down. The engineers and station level management KNOWS THAT.

DRA is all about making that experienced Courier redundant.

DRA at best will achieve about 85-90% of what an experienced Courier can achieve. The goal ISN'T to make the Courier more time efficient, it is to make the Courier more COST efficient.

By making the need for an experienced Courier redundant, someone making significantly less can step in, get acceptable productivity and lower the 'delivery cost per package' by using computerized route planning.

This is why time is running out for you guys. I've seen daily routing reports for DRA. Many of them have been optimized to the point where the program can predict on road times to within 10 minutes for a full time route. As long as correct leave building times are entered, the report will kick out a detailed listing of the sequential stop order, the number of docs and boxes to be delivered at that stop, the customer's name and phone number for the stop, time spent getting to the stop from the previous, and anticipated RTB.

It clearly doesn't take into account the 'unexpected', but they will never be able to get a computer program to do that.

When engineering takes the time to work on getting the software to work as a Courier actually works, the program works remarkably well. Given the delivery manifests generated, I could easily step back into an Express truck after almost 3 years out, and get off volume on one of these routes and achieve acceptable productivity - WITHOUT HAVING RUN THE ROUTE PREVIOUSLY."
courtesy of R1A. For those of you who remember him. Did it do what it was intended to? Trump would say this is a disaster. This thing just makes OT.

The whole point of DRA was to be able to "plug" anyone into the vehicle seat and get an acceptable level of performance. So far, it hasn't worked well, and it's been a big OT generator. Even if they do actually get it right, the massive turnover and resulting operational chaos will continue to kill them cost-wise.

In my district, practically every day is a disaster, regardless of DRA. We have so may inexperienced people that lack plain common sense and any sense of direction that no computer program will ever be able to correct their lack of skill. FedEx will hire just about anyone these days, because word is out that it isn't a good place to work and also because they can't be choosy in a growing economy. We have people who can barely speak English, lack basic driving skills, and somehow manage to get 4 to 5 miles out of their area, completely lost. The already overwhelmed dispatchers have to guide them back to their area, and then deal with the idiot managers who have few clues about how to run an effective operation.

Technology is great, but only to a point, and if the person to whom the technology is applied is an idiot already, then no program will make them "effective".

Yes, I miss R1a too. We used to have some great PM conversations, some of them 2 to 3 pages long. A very smart guy.
 

bbsam

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Ground apparently has a new GPS program that can have a manifest downloaded into a Garmin device and take the driver from stop to stop. Plan on experimenting with it over the next week.

Think of the possibilities 10 years from now. Real time GPS directions to break off P1's or make call in pickups based on time, distance, traffic, local weather. Directions straight to a customer's preferred delivery location illustrated by something similar to Google Earth...

Think about any Tech geek you might know. You don't think something like a "disastrous" DRA program is going to "slow their roll", do you? Six months after it came out in between the tech folks were making snide comments about how antiquated and quaint DRA was.
 

It will be fine

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Ground apparently has a new GPS program that can have a manifest downloaded into a Garmin device and take the driver from stop to stop. Plan on experimenting with it over the next week.
The Garmin program is still a bit busted. The device doesn't always pick up the fact you're at the location and there's no way to force it to move on to the next stop. You have to carry the device with you up to the house sometimes to get it to register. It may vary depending on what model Garmin you have though. We tried it with an older one. Nothing beats a good map.
 
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