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<blockquote data-quote="tieguy" data-source="post: 437179" data-attributes="member: 1912"><p><span style="color: blue">Remember these pardons by Clinton?</span></p><p> </p><p>FALN Commutation of 1999</p><p>On <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_11" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">August 11</span></u></a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">1999</span></u></a>, Clinton commuted the sentences of 16 members of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuerzas_Armadas_de_Liberaci%C3%B3n_Nacional_(Puerto_Rico)" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">FALN</span></u></a>, a violent <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Rico" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">Puerto Rican</span></u></a> nationalist group that set off 120 bombs in the United States mostly in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">New York City</span></u></a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">Chicago</span></u></a>, convicted for conspiracies to commit robbery, bomb-making, and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedition" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">sedition</span></u></a>, as well as for firearms and explosives violations.<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardons_controversy#cite_note-3" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #800080">[4]</span></u></a> None of the 16 were convicted of bombings or any crime which injured another person, though they were sentenced with terms ranging from 35 to 105 years in prison for the conviction of conspiracy and sedition. Congress, however, recognizes that the FALN is responsible for "6 deaths and the permanent maiming of dozens of others, including law enforcement officials." All of the 16 had served 19 years or longer in prison, which was a longer sentence than such crimes typically received, according to the White House.<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardons_controversy#cite_note-4" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #800080">[5]</span></u></a> Clinton offered clemency, on condition that the prisoners renounce violence, at the appeal of 10 <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_Peace_Prize" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">Nobel Peace Prize</span></u></a> laureates, President <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Carter" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">Jimmy Carter</span></u></a>, the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardinal_(Catholicism)" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">cardinal</span></u></a> of New York, and the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archbishop" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">archbishop</span></u></a> of Puerto Rico. The commutation was opposed by <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Attorney" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">U.S. Attorney's Office</span></u></a>, the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">FBI</span></u></a>, and the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Bureau_of_Prisons" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">Federal Bureau of Prisons</span></u></a> and criticized by many including former victims of FALN <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">terrorist</span></u></a> activities, the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraternal_Order_of_Police" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">Fraternal Order of Police</span></u></a>,<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardons_controversy#cite_note-5" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #800080">[6]</span></u></a> members of Congress. Hillary Clinton, then campaigning for her first term in the Senate, initially supported the commutation,<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardons_controversy#cite_note-6" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #800080">[7]</span></u></a> but later withdrew her support when the prisoners had refused to renounce violence more than three weeks after clemency was offered.<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardons_controversy#cite_note-7" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #800080">[8]</span></u></a> Congress condemned the action, with a vote of 95-2 in the Senate and 311-41 in the House.<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardons_controversy#cite_note-8" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #800080">[9]</span></u></a><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardons_controversy#cite_note-9" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #800080">[10]</span></u></a> The <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_Committee_on_Government_Reform" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">U.S. House Committee on Government Reform</span></u></a> held an investigation on the matter, but the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Justice" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">Justice Department</span></u></a> prevented FBI officials from testifying.<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardons_controversy#cite_note-10" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #800080">[11]</span></u></a> President Clinton cited <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_privilege" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">executive privilege</span></u></a> for his refusal to turn over some documents to Congress related to his decision to offer clemency to members of the FALN terrorist group.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue">bushs pardons are actually very mild compared to Clintons. Only an idiot would try to make anything of Bushs pardons when Clintons were so much more controversial. I wonder if we have any idiots out there.</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tieguy, post: 437179, member: 1912"] [COLOR=blue]Remember these pardons by Clinton?[/COLOR] [COLOR=#0000ff][/COLOR] FALN Commutation of 1999 On [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_11"][U][COLOR=#0000ff]August 11[/COLOR][/U][/URL], [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999"][U][COLOR=#0000ff]1999[/COLOR][/U][/URL], Clinton commuted the sentences of 16 members of [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuerzas_Armadas_de_Liberaci%C3%B3n_Nacional_(Puerto_Rico)"][U][COLOR=#0000ff]FALN[/COLOR][/U][/URL], a violent [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Rico"][U][COLOR=#0000ff]Puerto Rican[/COLOR][/U][/URL] nationalist group that set off 120 bombs in the United States mostly in [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City"][U][COLOR=#0000ff]New York City[/COLOR][/U][/URL] and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago"][U][COLOR=#0000ff]Chicago[/COLOR][/U][/URL], convicted for conspiracies to commit robbery, bomb-making, and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedition"][U][COLOR=#0000ff]sedition[/COLOR][/U][/URL], as well as for firearms and explosives violations.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardons_controversy#cite_note-3"][U][COLOR=#800080][4][/COLOR][/U][/URL] None of the 16 were convicted of bombings or any crime which injured another person, though they were sentenced with terms ranging from 35 to 105 years in prison for the conviction of conspiracy and sedition. Congress, however, recognizes that the FALN is responsible for "6 deaths and the permanent maiming of dozens of others, including law enforcement officials." All of the 16 had served 19 years or longer in prison, which was a longer sentence than such crimes typically received, according to the White House.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardons_controversy#cite_note-4"][U][COLOR=#800080][5][/COLOR][/U][/URL] Clinton offered clemency, on condition that the prisoners renounce violence, at the appeal of 10 [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_Peace_Prize"][U][COLOR=#0000ff]Nobel Peace Prize[/COLOR][/U][/URL] laureates, President [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Carter"][U][COLOR=#0000ff]Jimmy Carter[/COLOR][/U][/URL], the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardinal_(Catholicism)"][U][COLOR=#0000ff]cardinal[/COLOR][/U][/URL] of New York, and the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archbishop"][U][COLOR=#0000ff]archbishop[/COLOR][/U][/URL] of Puerto Rico. The commutation was opposed by [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Attorney"][U][COLOR=#0000ff]U.S. Attorney's Office[/COLOR][/U][/URL], the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI"][U][COLOR=#0000ff]FBI[/COLOR][/U][/URL], and the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Bureau_of_Prisons"][U][COLOR=#0000ff]Federal Bureau of Prisons[/COLOR][/U][/URL] and criticized by many including former victims of FALN [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism"][U][COLOR=#0000ff]terrorist[/COLOR][/U][/URL] activities, the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraternal_Order_of_Police"][U][COLOR=#0000ff]Fraternal Order of Police[/COLOR][/U][/URL],[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardons_controversy#cite_note-5"][U][COLOR=#800080][6][/COLOR][/U][/URL] members of Congress. Hillary Clinton, then campaigning for her first term in the Senate, initially supported the commutation,[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardons_controversy#cite_note-6"][U][COLOR=#800080][7][/COLOR][/U][/URL] but later withdrew her support when the prisoners had refused to renounce violence more than three weeks after clemency was offered.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardons_controversy#cite_note-7"][U][COLOR=#800080][8][/COLOR][/U][/URL] Congress condemned the action, with a vote of 95-2 in the Senate and 311-41 in the House.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardons_controversy#cite_note-8"][U][COLOR=#800080][9][/COLOR][/U][/URL][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardons_controversy#cite_note-9"][U][COLOR=#800080][10][/COLOR][/U][/URL] The [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_Committee_on_Government_Reform"][U][COLOR=#0000ff]U.S. House Committee on Government Reform[/COLOR][/U][/URL] held an investigation on the matter, but the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Justice"][U][COLOR=#0000ff]Justice Department[/COLOR][/U][/URL] prevented FBI officials from testifying.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardons_controversy#cite_note-10"][U][COLOR=#800080][11][/COLOR][/U][/URL] President Clinton cited [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_privilege"][U][COLOR=#0000ff]executive privilege[/COLOR][/U][/URL] for his refusal to turn over some documents to Congress related to his decision to offer clemency to members of the FALN terrorist group. [COLOR=blue]bushs pardons are actually very mild compared to Clintons. Only an idiot would try to make anything of Bushs pardons when Clintons were so much more controversial. I wonder if we have any idiots out there.[/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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