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<blockquote data-quote="alister" data-source="post: 251367" data-attributes="member: 7735"><p>the last time i herd the union was the one that was controlling your pension . Do you really think they would allow a matching 401k plan in which they are not control of their money(or is it your money, i keep getting confused about that)? wasn't this what the 97 strike was mostly about. UPS was trying to take over the pension or it was trying to get it into a joint (union and ups controlled) single employer plan. i am not sure which was true. apparently the union didn't think they should trust ups to have a hand in controlling the pension. to bad for CS, maybe they would have better benefits now.</p><p></p><p>sounds like there is a light at the end of the tunnel for CS though. it looks like the government may be taking over the pension plan starting jan 1 2008 since it is so seriously underfunded. maybe the government can finally get the pension plan working correctly for CS. we all know how well the government can handle things like this. i mean we all know how well the government handles stuff like this. i once heard that 40% of all the teamsters are part of the CS plan. so much for solidarity when it going to hit you in the pocket book. maybe the rest of you can at least get them cardboard boxes to live in.</p><p></p><p>to be honest, it sounds like this will be a much better plan for the company. just let the Union figure out what to do with the CS plan and just give the drivers a dollar raise every year. i bet it would take years for the raise to match that 6 billion ups was going to pay to get CS up and running again and keep the government from taking it over. oh what a minute, i bet the drivers want the 6 billion and the extra raises too. you know at one time i thought the pilots acted like princesses but it seems i may have underestimated the drivers.</p><p></p><p>maybe the best thing for ups to do is just let the current contract to go null and void and wait for you guys to strike and then turn around and fire you all and hire independent contractors to do the job cheaper. they already dummied down so many of the jobs at ups that they could hire people straight off the street to do your jobs. pas has made it real simple to train new employees on how to load the package cars. about the only postion that is still a skilled job with the hub are the sorters on the sort isle but they should have enough part time and full time sups to fill in until they have more trained on that. I but they could easily get independent contractor drivers to do the current drivers for less than $20 dollars an hour. how long does it take to train a driver on a diad board? do you think they could get a person off the street to follow the diad board's edd to delivery packages? to what i understand it, tells you guys every stop your suppose to do. maybe they will not be as good as the union workers but then again they can hire more of them since they will be cheaper. maybe ups was thinking ahead when it created pas and the diad 4 to be able to lessen the effect of the next strike.</p><p></p><p>there is one thing i wish could be added to the new contract. a clause in which every driver could will be fire for one month. during that month the driver has to find work outside ups. then have ups rehire the driver after a month of working at another company. this way they can see how the real world operates and then they could appreciate the jobs, the pay, and the benefits they have at ups.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="alister, post: 251367, member: 7735"] the last time i herd the union was the one that was controlling your pension . Do you really think they would allow a matching 401k plan in which they are not control of their money(or is it your money, i keep getting confused about that)? wasn't this what the 97 strike was mostly about. UPS was trying to take over the pension or it was trying to get it into a joint (union and ups controlled) single employer plan. i am not sure which was true. apparently the union didn't think they should trust ups to have a hand in controlling the pension. to bad for CS, maybe they would have better benefits now. sounds like there is a light at the end of the tunnel for CS though. it looks like the government may be taking over the pension plan starting jan 1 2008 since it is so seriously underfunded. maybe the government can finally get the pension plan working correctly for CS. we all know how well the government can handle things like this. i mean we all know how well the government handles stuff like this. i once heard that 40% of all the teamsters are part of the CS plan. so much for solidarity when it going to hit you in the pocket book. maybe the rest of you can at least get them cardboard boxes to live in. to be honest, it sounds like this will be a much better plan for the company. just let the Union figure out what to do with the CS plan and just give the drivers a dollar raise every year. i bet it would take years for the raise to match that 6 billion ups was going to pay to get CS up and running again and keep the government from taking it over. oh what a minute, i bet the drivers want the 6 billion and the extra raises too. you know at one time i thought the pilots acted like princesses but it seems i may have underestimated the drivers. maybe the best thing for ups to do is just let the current contract to go null and void and wait for you guys to strike and then turn around and fire you all and hire independent contractors to do the job cheaper. they already dummied down so many of the jobs at ups that they could hire people straight off the street to do your jobs. pas has made it real simple to train new employees on how to load the package cars. about the only postion that is still a skilled job with the hub are the sorters on the sort isle but they should have enough part time and full time sups to fill in until they have more trained on that. I but they could easily get independent contractor drivers to do the current drivers for less than $20 dollars an hour. how long does it take to train a driver on a diad board? do you think they could get a person off the street to follow the diad board's edd to delivery packages? to what i understand it, tells you guys every stop your suppose to do. maybe they will not be as good as the union workers but then again they can hire more of them since they will be cheaper. maybe ups was thinking ahead when it created pas and the diad 4 to be able to lessen the effect of the next strike. there is one thing i wish could be added to the new contract. a clause in which every driver could will be fire for one month. during that month the driver has to find work outside ups. then have ups rehire the driver after a month of working at another company. this way they can see how the real world operates and then they could appreciate the jobs, the pay, and the benefits they have at ups. [/QUOTE]
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