Why can't drivers under 4-years in opt for the 9.5 list?

Discussion in 'UPS Discussions' started by Grey, Feb 3, 2016.

  1. Grey

    Grey Active Member

    What is the reasoning on that specific requirement from the union's side of it?
     
  2. 35years

    35years Active Member

    Employees within the full-time driver classification shall be eligible for the protection of this Section provided: (1) the employee covers a route for a full week; (2) the employee bids or is assigned to cover a route for a full week but is prevented from completing that bid or assignment due to reassignment by the Employer; or (3) an employee with four (4) years of seniority as a full-time package driver.

    -Do you see the or in the language above? That means only 1 of the 4 conditions listed above need to be met, to have 9.5 protection.

    Your bosses are lying to you if they say you can't be on the 9.5 list because you do not have 4 years in.
     
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  3. scooby0048

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    I don't know the union's position on that but my opinion is that during the negotiations, the union pusssies didn't step up to make sure ALL drivers in the full time classification were offered the protection of excessive OT so long as they were qualified and made seniority.
     
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  4. 35years

    35years Active Member

    Well, I am no apologist for the Union but the protection (in practice) is far superior to the previous contract. I find that the guys with less than 4 years in are just to scared to assert their right to 9.5 protection when management lies and says they can't be on the list. Our business agent (BA) has made it clear to the center managers that they will not lie about this anymore to the new guys. We have guys with under a year on the 9.5 list. If your manager is still telling the lie, talk to your BA.
     
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  5. Brownslave688

    Brownslave688 You want a toe? I can get you a toe.

    This really depends on your BA. If you have your own route and are under its pretty easy. If you aren't it's not quiet as cut and dry.
     
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  6. Brownslave688

    Brownslave688 You want a toe? I can get you a toe.

    The reasoning would have to be the guys under 4 years got thrown under the bus for something else. Although we didn't exactly gain much this contract so I'm not sure what that would be.
     
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  7. Grey

    Grey Active Member

    They're not afraid to opt in in our center. A lot of us are on it but we'd win a week long vacation route maybe two or three times a year. That's how rare it is so its basically pointless. I dunno why they still send me the message everyday when it means nothing.
     
  8. scooby0048

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    Our BA is weak or in bed with someone at UPS. I feel like I work in a foreign place nothing gets enforced and I think I've seen my BA once since he visited our center a year and half ago.
     
  9. upschuck

    upschuck Avatar bet gone wrong

    It takes him that long to get to your center and back home.
     
  10. bottomups

    bottomups Bad Moon Risen'

    You could see him every month just by attending your union meetings.
     
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  11. Maybe he doesn't like you.
     
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  12. brownmonster

    brownmonster Man of Great Wisdom

    How many guys from Rice Lake come to the hall for monthly meetings?
     
  13. bottomups

    bottomups Bad Moon Risen'

    They meet at their own office in the northern part of the state and video stream the general membership meetings up there. There is actually pretty good attendance from what I've seen.
     
  14. scooby0048

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    You know Chuck, you could be absolutely right considering I am in BFE Wyoming. @bottomups our local hall is almost 7 hours away. I'm not driving 14 hrs on a Sunday just to see our BA. They know we are remote and could visit more than once every couple of years.
     
  15. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    Has anyone in your center suggested teleconferencing?
     
  16. By The Book

    By The Book Well-Known Member

    If your on the same route for 1 full week....and would be working over 9.5 three days or more... They send you the message so you don't file and get on the list for that route. This language really helps the newer drivers who only know a few routes.
     
  17. scooby0048

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    Well UPS isn't going to help us on that one but a few guys have offered to have union Sunday parties via Skype but someone at the hall says that's not feasible.
     
  18. Wally

    Wally Hailing from Parts Unknown.

    Their around plenty at election time.
     
  19. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    Skype would work if less than 5 of you guys show up at the meeting.
     
  20. We have parking lot meetings.