Why do we pay people to negotiate a contract?

Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by bubsdad, May 4, 2009.

  1. bubsdad

    bubsdad "Hang in there!"

    The longer I'm a steward the more I wonder why we, (union and company), pay alot of people alot of money to negotiate a contract that neither side wants to abide by. There seems to be alot of grey area interpreted in by the company and the union allows it. Everything is written in black and white but this manager believes it means this and that manager believes it means that. The union won't stand with you unless it affects the chosen few. Get alot of, "gotta pick your battles with this economy and all...", "be glad you have a job...", "we have a local agreement on that..". Situations that are clearly addressed in the contract are not handled as the contract states and we get no backing from the union. People are clearly being wronged and the BA makes a deal with the company. I don't get it. The top guys don't care because it doesn't affect them. The guys in the middle don't want to "make any waves". And the guys on the bottom are left holding the bag. Thought the whole idea of a union was solidarity. We're all paying dues and should all be awarded the same rights.
     
  2. Sleeve_meet_Heart

    Sleeve_meet_Heart making the unreadable unreadabler

    read my PM. couldn't agree with you more.
     
  3. Braveheart

    Braveheart New Member

    I agree. They keep making back door deals, local agreements. The employee gets the shaft. Some of these locals are getting voted out of office.

    Just like congress, we made to go to term limits. Or just vote there butts out.

    We need to dethrone Hoffa.
     
  4. MonavieLeaker

    MonavieLeaker Bringin Teh_Lulz

     
  5. bscott85

    bscott85 New Member

    my local doesnt even try to get grievances paid out any more ... they just stack them up until they get enough of them and trade them to get some bum that deserved to be fired their job back(which keeps dues rollin into them!)... hence why im no longer in the union come june 2009 thank god for right to work states!
     
  6. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    Suppose July 2009 you do something that requires Union representation--do you think that you should get the same level of representation as that of a dues paying member?
     
  7. Monkey Butt

    Monkey Butt You can call me Chappy Staff Member

    In theory and according to the laws governing Unions ... Yes.
    That is a Federal law ... not a term or condition of the contract. :wink2:
     
  8. trickpony1

    trickpony1 Well-Known Member

    On the other side of the coin.......

    I know members who have paid dues for 25+ years and have watched the union fall flat on its face, shoddy representation and lost grievances so what difference does it make?
     
  9. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.


    I was just throwing that out there to see what kind of reaction I would get. This is why I always ensure that I take care of my own business and don't put myself in to situations where I have to rely on assistance that may not be there.
     
  10. wannabeups

    wannabeups Member

    You have addressed the situation perfectly.

    They have, excuse after excuse. Another excuse is that seniority doesn't matter in the case.
     
    Last edited: May 6, 2009
  11. wannabeups

    wannabeups Member

    Right on.
     
  12. Sleeve_meet_Heart

    Sleeve_meet_Heart making the unreadable unreadabler

    The problem with that is that management puts EVERYONE in situations where they need the union "in our building", such as shaving worked hours. You can't rely on them giving the hours back, that is something I have learned.

    They blame payroll for the errors then say youll see it next check- you get the money you're owed but then they shave you somewhere else (in OT), so you're almost an accountant trying to figure out weekly what is owed and what isn't.

    One example of how the slimeballs operate here.
     
  13. Solidarity413

    Solidarity413 New Member

     
  14. bscott85

    bscott85 New Member

    yes because i paid $2,000 dollars in dues and had numerous grievances i should've been paid for traded to get a terrible workers job back
     
  15. bubsdad

    bubsdad "Hang in there!"

    Had to read that a couple times but you're right. I've seen it happen. It is very frustrating to go to a guy who had a legitimate grievance and tell him it got sent back.
     
  16. gandydancer

    gandydancer New Member

    You did see where Joint Council 28 gave UPS $1M already owed to parttimers for a grievance in order to settle a different grievance by 22.3s for less than what, under the language of the contract, they should have won on its own merits? http://www.makeupsdeliver.org/news.php?extend.198 What clowns.
     
  17. ih8tbrn

    ih8tbrn Banned

    LOL.....There aren't any terrible workers in a union, or they are all terrible, everyone is equal.
     
  18. evilleace

    evilleace Member

    Why do you insist on being negative on everything it has to be miserable to live that way.

     
  19. ih8tbrn

    ih8tbrn Banned


    Cuz UPS sucks. I'm no longer miserable but UPS (the company, not the workers) still sucks.
     
    Lasted edited by : May 8, 2009
  20. Monkey Butt

    Monkey Butt You can call me Chappy Staff Member

    Unfortunately, people that are unhappy at one company tend to be unhappy no matter where they work.
    Hopefully, you will be the exception ih8brn; good luck at your new company.