Why I Have Serious Problems With The Keystone Pipeline Addition

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by wkmac, Jan 19, 2012.

  1. wkmac

    wkmac Well-Known Member

    I say addition because part of the pipeline already exists with the Keystone pipeline within part of the US having gone into operation last summer with a capacity of 400k plus barrels of oil per day. The proposed Keystone XL would come out of Canada and increase the capacity to 900k barrels of oil per day. Are there concerns about the pipeline going over the Ogallala Aquafier of which we get water for the major part of the country of which we get out food? Yes but that's not the problem. The pipeline crosses over 70 major rivers and streams that feeds the watershed for the entire middle part of the country so that's the deal breaker? Again a concern but not the deal breaker. So what's the problem?

    A Canadian company able to seize land using the force of eminent domain!

    Obama stopping the pipeline may have done it for other reasons but in the interest of protecting property rights, stopping the pipeline was the right thing to do IMO. Individual property rights trumps transnational oil interests and yes it even trumps your personal interest of cheap gas at the pump. Using the gun against the one for the group or in socialist terms, the collective interests is still wrong.

    And I do have a question for the group, if the pipeline is about supplying the US with oil and according to some would boost our oil independence from say Middle East sources (which is a good thing), if you look at this map of all the existing US pipelines, why does Keystone XL go all the way to the Gulf of Mexico and Port Arthur Texas? How would you look at this if you knew for example that the US has become a net "EXPORTER" (yes folks, I said net exporter as in shipping out) of gasoline, diesel and even jet fuel?
     
  2. menotyou

    menotyou bella amicizia

    I am not now nor have I been a fan of the pipeline. I am not a fan of hydro fracking, either. Cheap gas vs clean water for the great grandkids is an easy choice. I am sick and tired of the government taking individual freedoms and wiping their collective :censored2: with them.

    ​Ron Paul for President!!!!
     
  3. klein

    klein Für Meno :)

    wkmac, I'm not syupid either.
    It's going all the way to Taxes (Gulf of Mexico) for it to get refined and then exported.
    Funny, no single politician admits to it.

    But a lot of Albertans know this is a fact, and we all say, why can't we just bulid our own refineries ??? !!!!
    Then again, we have no port to ship it out of , right ?
    Thru BC, we'll be lucky if we just get a pipeline bulit across that province. In Hells' no way would BC ever allow a refinery.
    They are "our" California, just 1000 times worse (being green and enviromentalists).

    So, I guess that only leaves the Gulf of Mexico open to do business with.
    It's a shame that Americans will profit more from Canadian oil then Canadians will ever do and that's hard even for us to understand.
     
  4. moreluck

    moreluck golden ticket member

    Your California ??? I have lots of refineries just up the road north of me. So, do you just say stuff and hope it's true?

    California Oil Refinery Locations and Capacities
    Classification of refiners based on crude oil capacity (barrels per day)
    Information as of January 2008
    [TABLE]
    [TR="bgcolor: #003399"]
    [TD="align: left"]Refinery Name[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Barrels
    Per Day [/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]CARB Diesel[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]CARB Gasoline[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]BP West Coast Products LLC, Carson Refinery[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]265,000 [/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Yes[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Yes[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Chevron U.S.A. Inc., El Segundo Refinery[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]260,000 [/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Yes[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Yes[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Chevron U.S.A. Inc., Richmond Refinery[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]242,901 [/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Yes[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Yes[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Tesoro Refining & Marketing Company, Golden Eagle (Avon/Rodeo) Refinery[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]166,000 [/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Yes[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Yes[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Shell Oil Products US, Martinez Refinery[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]155,600 [/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Yes[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Yes[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]ExxonMobil Refining & Supply Company, Torrance Refinery[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]149,500 [/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Yes[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Yes[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Valero Benicia Refinery[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]144,000 [/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Yes[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Yes[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]ConocoPhillips, Wilmington Refinery[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]139,000 [/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Yes[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Yes[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Tesoro Refining & Marketing Company, Wilmington Refinery[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]97,000 [/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Yes[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Yes[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Valero (Ultramar) Wilmington Refinery[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]80,887 [/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Yes[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Yes[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]ConocoPhillips, Rodeo San Francisco Refinery[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]76,000 [/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Yes[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Yes[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Big West of California LLC, Bakersfield Refinery[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]66,000 [/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Yes[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Yes[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Paramount Petroleum Corporation, Paramount Refinery[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]63,000 [/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Yes[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Yes[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]ConocoPhillips, Santa Maria Refinery[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]44,200 [/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]No[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]No[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Edgington Oil Company, Long Beach Refinery[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]35,000 [/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]No[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]No[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Kern Oil & Refining Company, Bakersfield Refinery[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]26,000 [/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Yes[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Yes[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]San Joaquin Refining Company Inc., Bakersfield Refinery[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]15,000 [/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Yes[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]No[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Greka Energy, Santa Maria Refinery[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]9,500 [/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]No[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]No[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Lunday Thagard, South Gate Refinery[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]8,500 [/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]No[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]No[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Valero Wilmington Asphalt Refinery[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6,300 [/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]No[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]No[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Tenby Inc., Oxnard Refinery[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2,800 [/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]No[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]No[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="colspan: 4"]Note: Data on this table represents total crude oil capacity not gasoline, distillate production, diesel fuel production or production of other products. Production potential varies depending on time of year and status of the refinery. A rule of thumb is that roughly 55 percent of total capacity is gasoline production (about 1.1 - 1.2 million barrels of gasoline - 46 to 50 million gallons - is produced per day).
    Source: California Energy Commission Fuels Office Staff.
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]
     
  5. moreluck

    moreluck golden ticket member