Wikileaks
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Nimnim
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Nope just providing info as to why interpol is involved.
wkmac
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When Wikileaks released the Climategate Emails, they were heroes especially to folks from the "mama bear" crowd. Wikileaks then made the big Iraq and Afghanistan Data Dumps and became the villians, Bradley Manning has served the useful scapegoat of sending a message to members of INGSOC about disclosing internal party bidness but other than that, the 15 minutes in the media cycle came and went and all seemed pretty content. But then Assange and friends did something no one as of yet has done and that was to expose the inner working of the global political class itself, especially among 1st world nations. It showed them for not only their hypocracy to each other, those in the public realm they embraced and called friends and allies but even worse they resorted to fraud, deceptions and theft as in the case of Hillary Clinton ordering the theft of credit card numbers, computer passwords and even iris and fingerprint matrix data. What's even more ironic is to watch NeoCon John Bolton defend Hillary by calling the document itself a fake. Actions speak so much louder than words anyway.
When Wikleaks, as it was framed, "attacked the military" with the Iraq and Afghan dumps, there was noise but outside of Bradley Manning, no real action. One would think if the soldier and mission was at such great risk, they would really call out the dogs on Wikileaks and Assange and yet it died out and things continued as they were. Then Assange and friends showed the emperour with no clothes and now the dogs have been unleashed. But the pressure actually built even more when it was announced after the first of the year who the next Wikileaks target is and it's an American major banking interest. Who is it? Being that Wikileaks in 2009' obtained a 5GB hard drive from a Bank of America executive's computer, anyone care to take a guess?
Anyone dare wanna suggest that the real reason they wanna stop Assange and Wikileaks is not because of the latest "revelation" but rather what they've not had a chance to reveal yet!
To the treason charge against Assange, google the term treason in legal dictionaries and the first requirement is for the person charged to be a citizen or in some capacity, under the direct jurisdiction of. In relation to Assange to the US, neither apply. As to espionage, maybe but the problem here is that just as Wikileaks was given it's published data by whistleblowing sources, newspapers and news outlets do the very same thing all the time and none of them are prosecuted at such levels. Also in all cases from the Iraq and Afghanistan data log dumps to even the current diplomatic data, Wikileaks sent ahead of time notice to all parties of what was coming and what it had as the major newspapers involved in initial disclosure have pointed out. It was done so as to allow information that could lead to human harm to legit functions would be avoided and in fact certain information indeed has been withheld also confirmed by leading newspapers. Dialogue for example between Wikileaks an NYT's among others lead to agreeements to withhold certain details that weren't exposed. In fact, the latest diplomatic dump was known by world govt's to come several months ago as they even admitted, yet like the earlier dumps refused to respond or engage in discussion.
You could charge espionage but the potential damage in such a high profile court setting across the planet I would think could prove vastly more a risk than just going after Asssange on a rape charge and then using the normal spin cycle to discredit him in the public eye. Americans love a good western where the heroes are good guys and wear white hats and we can be sold a villian who wears all black and it's expected he'll be outdrawn and put under at high noon in front of the saloon. But sometimes the real truth is that the hero wears black, is a bit of a scoundrel and comes to town as the man with no name and exposes the truth for really what it is. Like the folks in Lago, they just don't want to see the truth or rather know the truth but best to keep it a secret rather than face it, Turns out when the truth us known, the folks in Lago were the real scoundrels!
Sometimes in order to expose a scoundrel to the light of day, you need another scoundrel to do the dirty work. It may not be pretty or tasteful in getting there but it sure can be fun to watch. It's only in the end you see past the black to then see the white!
[video=youtube;lFFTCIbhF70]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFFTCIbhF70[/video]
When Wikleaks, as it was framed, "attacked the military" with the Iraq and Afghan dumps, there was noise but outside of Bradley Manning, no real action. One would think if the soldier and mission was at such great risk, they would really call out the dogs on Wikileaks and Assange and yet it died out and things continued as they were. Then Assange and friends showed the emperour with no clothes and now the dogs have been unleashed. But the pressure actually built even more when it was announced after the first of the year who the next Wikileaks target is and it's an American major banking interest. Who is it? Being that Wikileaks in 2009' obtained a 5GB hard drive from a Bank of America executive's computer, anyone care to take a guess?
Anyone dare wanna suggest that the real reason they wanna stop Assange and Wikileaks is not because of the latest "revelation" but rather what they've not had a chance to reveal yet!
To the treason charge against Assange, google the term treason in legal dictionaries and the first requirement is for the person charged to be a citizen or in some capacity, under the direct jurisdiction of. In relation to Assange to the US, neither apply. As to espionage, maybe but the problem here is that just as Wikileaks was given it's published data by whistleblowing sources, newspapers and news outlets do the very same thing all the time and none of them are prosecuted at such levels. Also in all cases from the Iraq and Afghanistan data log dumps to even the current diplomatic data, Wikileaks sent ahead of time notice to all parties of what was coming and what it had as the major newspapers involved in initial disclosure have pointed out. It was done so as to allow information that could lead to human harm to legit functions would be avoided and in fact certain information indeed has been withheld also confirmed by leading newspapers. Dialogue for example between Wikileaks an NYT's among others lead to agreeements to withhold certain details that weren't exposed. In fact, the latest diplomatic dump was known by world govt's to come several months ago as they even admitted, yet like the earlier dumps refused to respond or engage in discussion.
You could charge espionage but the potential damage in such a high profile court setting across the planet I would think could prove vastly more a risk than just going after Asssange on a rape charge and then using the normal spin cycle to discredit him in the public eye. Americans love a good western where the heroes are good guys and wear white hats and we can be sold a villian who wears all black and it's expected he'll be outdrawn and put under at high noon in front of the saloon. But sometimes the real truth is that the hero wears black, is a bit of a scoundrel and comes to town as the man with no name and exposes the truth for really what it is. Like the folks in Lago, they just don't want to see the truth or rather know the truth but best to keep it a secret rather than face it, Turns out when the truth us known, the folks in Lago were the real scoundrels!
Sometimes in order to expose a scoundrel to the light of day, you need another scoundrel to do the dirty work. It may not be pretty or tasteful in getting there but it sure can be fun to watch. It's only in the end you see past the black to then see the white!
[video=youtube;lFFTCIbhF70]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFFTCIbhF70[/video]
wkmac
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Watching the whole Wikileak events of the last several weeks, it was interesting to see the newly created CyberCom (Pentagon's new Cyber Command) launch a massive cyber attack against Wikileaks to disrupt the latest data dump concerning our global leaders and what they really are at heart. CyberCom went active this fall and it seems Wikileaks was it's first operation as such!
There's also a deeper message being sent and that is, "do not expose or oppose us or else!" Considering the gun held to the head of Amazon and PayPal, seems message recieved and I predict Wikileaks was a test and now you may see even more pressure applied to other websites all across the political spectrum who just offer opinion and insight rather than expose actual gov't data as Wikileaks did.
What would JFK think and say of Wikileaks in this day and time?
[video=youtube;xhZk8ronces]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhZk8ronces[/video]
There's also a deeper message being sent and that is, "do not expose or oppose us or else!" Considering the gun held to the head of Amazon and PayPal, seems message recieved and I predict Wikileaks was a test and now you may see even more pressure applied to other websites all across the political spectrum who just offer opinion and insight rather than expose actual gov't data as Wikileaks did.
What would JFK think and say of Wikileaks in this day and time?
[video=youtube;xhZk8ronces]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhZk8ronces[/video]
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wkmac
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wkmac
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Wikileaks is back online thanks to 74 mirror sites!
