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<blockquote data-quote="tieguy" data-source="post: 197850" data-attributes="member: 1912"><p>Reading through this thread I have mixed emotions. You folks who know me know I've been here in this part of the board arguing in defense of the war and supporting our troops with passion. I do believe we went for the right reasons. I believe the first Persian gulf war was a wasted effort if we did not thoroughly enforce the peace accords that hussiens army agreed to. I believe the discovery or not of WMD's irrelevent because I firmly believe saddaam would have developed them the second we looked the other way. I believe Saddaam killed over a million innocent people in his time and was one of the most brutal dictators this world has ever seen. With that said I am weary of this war and wondering just what direction we are going. in Public support can only last so long before it wanes. We have to show some positive momentum to continue to get the public support. Too many liberal medias working against our continuing this effort endlessly. </p><p> </p><p>I was leaving a baseball game a couple of weeks ago and I ended up walking behind three young veterans of this war walking on mechanical feet that replace the real ones they lost. I felt so sad for these three brave warriors who had lost parts of their bodies as well as the innocence of youth. I found myself wishing I could somehow undo the damage these three young men had suffered. I found myself getting weary of this war that appears to have no end. I found myself getting very weary of the concept that we somehow keep getting saddled with as the beast of burden when it comes to righting the wrongs of the world. Why us. Why can't we isolate our kids from this type of brutality. Is world leadership really so important when most of this world seems to hate us for it? I want to support our troops and will never stop doing so but I am getting so weary of being the one that has to explain to our kids why their walking on mechanical feet made this world a safer place to live. </p><p> </p><p>Our strategy is failing because we can't do what needs to be done to win this war. We had the fourth mech sitting on syrias border in 2003. The first sign of insurgents sneaking across the border should have caused us to mobolize that heavy division across the border. Want us to stop assad then control your border. Have a problem with Tikrit. No problem flatten the damn town and shoot anything that moves when you are done. Then napalm whats left so no one will ever know the town existed. Suicide bomber blows up 30 innocents. Take the celebrating family he left behind and demolish their house and make them slaves in Israel. Or Kill them one by one on AL jazeera. Don't fight a war where we make our kids a target. Fight a war to win. Fight a war where we are the meanest nastiest kid on the block. Make that jihadist afraid to pull his cord on his dynamite back pack. If we want to win this war then we should be prepared to brag about the sick stuff that went on inside that prison. Instead we have tried to turn this into a "civilized war" and continue to pay with our kids lives. Theres no honor in being a good loser when it comes to war. The devil and all his mineons should look like a girl scout compared to one of our armies on a rampage. The enemy does not fear us. Its no loss for them to die fighting us because they believe there is a reward in heaven if they die fighting us. But brutalize their friends and families for their sins and they will think twice. Take out a whole neighborhood because one guy in that hood tried to sniper us and you will quickly see neighborhoods turn on the hidden fighters. What happens if some arab squeals on an insurgent he and his family will end up dead. Nothing the US does to them compares. And thus we continue to lose a war because we keep putting our kids in the barrel. Here you go three shots for a dollar. Kill one of our troops and be a hero in your town tonight. No pain no consequence for them. We are following the queens rules of boxing while the enemy street fights us. Everytime we try to sit down inbetween rounds and take a breather they suicide bomb us. </p><p> </p><p>So in the end we don't have the guts to fight this war in a brutal way that would actually cause the enemy to wane in fear. Its beneath us to crawl into that gutter and win this the way the war needs to be fought. Its beneath our character because we are the "good guys" in the white hats. We despise such thoughts of brutality. We don't have the stomach. We worry about the psyche of anyone who would think much less act in such a way. And that probably is why in the end when its all said and done we should not be in Iraq. We are not willing to do what needs to be done to win this type of war. What a terrific irony we have here. To win this war we would probably need to emulate the example and style of the leader we deposed.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tieguy, post: 197850, member: 1912"] Reading through this thread I have mixed emotions. You folks who know me know I've been here in this part of the board arguing in defense of the war and supporting our troops with passion. I do believe we went for the right reasons. I believe the first Persian gulf war was a wasted effort if we did not thoroughly enforce the peace accords that hussiens army agreed to. I believe the discovery or not of WMD's irrelevent because I firmly believe saddaam would have developed them the second we looked the other way. I believe Saddaam killed over a million innocent people in his time and was one of the most brutal dictators this world has ever seen. With that said I am weary of this war and wondering just what direction we are going. in Public support can only last so long before it wanes. We have to show some positive momentum to continue to get the public support. Too many liberal medias working against our continuing this effort endlessly. I was leaving a baseball game a couple of weeks ago and I ended up walking behind three young veterans of this war walking on mechanical feet that replace the real ones they lost. I felt so sad for these three brave warriors who had lost parts of their bodies as well as the innocence of youth. I found myself wishing I could somehow undo the damage these three young men had suffered. I found myself getting weary of this war that appears to have no end. I found myself getting very weary of the concept that we somehow keep getting saddled with as the beast of burden when it comes to righting the wrongs of the world. Why us. Why can't we isolate our kids from this type of brutality. Is world leadership really so important when most of this world seems to hate us for it? I want to support our troops and will never stop doing so but I am getting so weary of being the one that has to explain to our kids why their walking on mechanical feet made this world a safer place to live. Our strategy is failing because we can't do what needs to be done to win this war. We had the fourth mech sitting on syrias border in 2003. The first sign of insurgents sneaking across the border should have caused us to mobolize that heavy division across the border. Want us to stop assad then control your border. Have a problem with Tikrit. No problem flatten the damn town and shoot anything that moves when you are done. Then napalm whats left so no one will ever know the town existed. Suicide bomber blows up 30 innocents. Take the celebrating family he left behind and demolish their house and make them slaves in Israel. Or Kill them one by one on AL jazeera. Don't fight a war where we make our kids a target. Fight a war to win. Fight a war where we are the meanest nastiest kid on the block. Make that jihadist afraid to pull his cord on his dynamite back pack. If we want to win this war then we should be prepared to brag about the sick stuff that went on inside that prison. Instead we have tried to turn this into a "civilized war" and continue to pay with our kids lives. Theres no honor in being a good loser when it comes to war. The devil and all his mineons should look like a girl scout compared to one of our armies on a rampage. The enemy does not fear us. Its no loss for them to die fighting us because they believe there is a reward in heaven if they die fighting us. But brutalize their friends and families for their sins and they will think twice. Take out a whole neighborhood because one guy in that hood tried to sniper us and you will quickly see neighborhoods turn on the hidden fighters. What happens if some arab squeals on an insurgent he and his family will end up dead. Nothing the US does to them compares. And thus we continue to lose a war because we keep putting our kids in the barrel. Here you go three shots for a dollar. Kill one of our troops and be a hero in your town tonight. No pain no consequence for them. We are following the queens rules of boxing while the enemy street fights us. Everytime we try to sit down inbetween rounds and take a breather they suicide bomb us. So in the end we don't have the guts to fight this war in a brutal way that would actually cause the enemy to wane in fear. Its beneath us to crawl into that gutter and win this the way the war needs to be fought. Its beneath our character because we are the "good guys" in the white hats. We despise such thoughts of brutality. We don't have the stomach. We worry about the psyche of anyone who would think much less act in such a way. And that probably is why in the end when its all said and done we should not be in Iraq. We are not willing to do what needs to be done to win this type of war. What a terrific irony we have here. To win this war we would probably need to emulate the example and style of the leader we deposed. [/QUOTE]
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