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worst info notice I have seen so far ! :(
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<blockquote data-quote="hondo" data-source="post: 870842" data-attributes="member: 8661"><p>Short answer: Yes.</p><p></p><p>Long answer: I believe you said something along the lines of knowing how to pick your battles. I don't recall the specifics of the D.R. re/certification form, but I don't recall it containing anything too worrisome for anyone doing the job in a good faith manner. And I'm sure I have signed it at least once, in the new driver training packet. Whenever any of these forms are presented to me for a sig, I review it and if I have questions I ask. Of course a lot of times you can get 13 different answers if you ask 12 different supes. The last time I RTSed a form it was some kind of safe work observation/equipment usage in the hub. A few of the problems I had with that: (A)there were like 50 points with 3 different boxes each for supe to choose to check off. It was blank, he hadn't checked off anything, yet wanted me to sign it. (B) This supe had previously demonstrated that he either had forgotten or never knew important points about this job/equipment. (C) the form referenced equipment we didn't have in that building, or was using much different terminology for the equipment.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>^^^I would say I am substantially in agreement with that statement.<strong><u> IMO</u></strong>, if a driver is starting to face discipline issues about DRs (<u><strong>and</strong></u> the claims have been properly investigated and sustained), s/he should be reviewing the DR guidelines and 'sharpen up their game'. There may be underlying issues the driver has been using to rationalize the 'improper' DRs.</p><p></p><p>I think the issue of signing versus RTSing these forms [outside of anything that really is in conflict with the contract] is really most important before an arbitrator, so we're talking about a termination. There clearly is a difference between a signature; and putting down RTS, or signed under protest/duress, or do not understand/agree. Stewards and Union Reps obviously don't have the time to sit down with every new employee to explain/discuss all of these different answers and their possible ramifications to the employee (or even the entire bargaining unit), so I guess it gets oversimplified into the advice: don't/refuse to sign.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="hondo, post: 870842, member: 8661"] Short answer: Yes. Long answer: I believe you said something along the lines of knowing how to pick your battles. I don't recall the specifics of the D.R. re/certification form, but I don't recall it containing anything too worrisome for anyone doing the job in a good faith manner. And I'm sure I have signed it at least once, in the new driver training packet. Whenever any of these forms are presented to me for a sig, I review it and if I have questions I ask. Of course a lot of times you can get 13 different answers if you ask 12 different supes. The last time I RTSed a form it was some kind of safe work observation/equipment usage in the hub. A few of the problems I had with that: (A)there were like 50 points with 3 different boxes each for supe to choose to check off. It was blank, he hadn't checked off anything, yet wanted me to sign it. (B) This supe had previously demonstrated that he either had forgotten or never knew important points about this job/equipment. (C) the form referenced equipment we didn't have in that building, or was using much different terminology for the equipment. ^^^I would say I am substantially in agreement with that statement.[B][U] IMO[/U][/B], if a driver is starting to face discipline issues about DRs ([U][B]and[/B][/U] the claims have been properly investigated and sustained), s/he should be reviewing the DR guidelines and 'sharpen up their game'. There may be underlying issues the driver has been using to rationalize the 'improper' DRs. I think the issue of signing versus RTSing these forms [outside of anything that really is in conflict with the contract] is really most important before an arbitrator, so we're talking about a termination. There clearly is a difference between a signature; and putting down RTS, or signed under protest/duress, or do not understand/agree. Stewards and Union Reps obviously don't have the time to sit down with every new employee to explain/discuss all of these different answers and their possible ramifications to the employee (or even the entire bargaining unit), so I guess it gets oversimplified into the advice: don't/refuse to sign. [/QUOTE]
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