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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 520893" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Good points Jim. Something I've given thought to over time and that is, what is property and what is self determination? Both questions center IMO on the ideal made famous by John Locke in that with all men, "no one ought to harm another in his life, health, liberty, or possessions." The Virginia Declaration of Rights written by George Mason and adopted in June of 1776' will have a familar tone to be made infamous less than a month later by one Thomas Jefferson.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>It's sad on 2 fronts where I think we failed from these potential great beginnings. </p><p> </p><p>1) To the point you made, we failed in the ideal of "All men" and that these ideals were not confined to a geographic border, a culture or under a national flag. They always applied to all men no matter their origins or station in life and if was a gift of God to be allowed the priviledge in his creation, to have the opportunity to show the world how such an ideal could work if men so choose. Goodness is a warming light that attracts good men and doesn't require a conquering force to spread!</p><p> </p><p>2) That by violating these ideals time and time again as a society, sometimes innocently in not understanding the consequences of their violation, that so many of the vast areas of troubles that face us, have their root cause in ignoring the wisdom of Locke and Mason.</p><p> </p><p>jmo</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 520893, member: 2189"] Good points Jim. Something I've given thought to over time and that is, what is property and what is self determination? Both questions center IMO on the ideal made famous by John Locke in that with all men, "no one ought to harm another in his life, health, liberty, or possessions." The Virginia Declaration of Rights written by George Mason and adopted in June of 1776' will have a familar tone to be made infamous less than a month later by one Thomas Jefferson. It's sad on 2 fronts where I think we failed from these potential great beginnings. 1) To the point you made, we failed in the ideal of "All men" and that these ideals were not confined to a geographic border, a culture or under a national flag. They always applied to all men no matter their origins or station in life and if was a gift of God to be allowed the priviledge in his creation, to have the opportunity to show the world how such an ideal could work if men so choose. Goodness is a warming light that attracts good men and doesn't require a conquering force to spread! 2) That by violating these ideals time and time again as a society, sometimes innocently in not understanding the consequences of their violation, that so many of the vast areas of troubles that face us, have their root cause in ignoring the wisdom of Locke and Mason. jmo [/QUOTE]
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