UPS on MSNBC last night?

[Griff]

Originally Posted by big_arrow_up

Or maybe everyone just watches Fox because they are sick of the garbage coming from all of your liberal news outlets. But if calling the truth "mud flinging" is how you justify the fact that most people trust Fox news over your boy Wolf Boy Commie Blitzer then you just continue to roll with that one.

YouTube - FOX ATTACKS: Iran

You wouldn't know truth if it beat you over the head with a bat.

[Leftinbuilding]

Originally Posted by Griff

October 6, 2003

Study shows Fox News viewers misinformed about war, Iraq, WMD


Posted October 6th, 2003 at 11:43 am

I have naively believed for years that staying informed about current events by getting some news is better than blissful ignorance derived from getting no news. Then Fox News Channel helped demonstrate just how wrong I was.
The Program on International Policy Attitudes at the University of Maryland conducted a thorough study of public knowledge and attitudes about current events and the war on terrorism. Researchers found that the public’s mistaken impressions of three facets of U.S. foreign policy — discovery of alleged WMD in Iraq, alleged Iraqi involvement in 9/11, and international support for a U.S. invasion of Iraq — helped fuel support for the war.
While the PIPA study concluded that most Americans (over 60%) held at least one of these mistaken impressions, the researchers also concluded that Americans’ opinions were shaped in large part by which news outlet they relied upon to receive their information.
As the researchers explained in their report, “The extent of Americans’ misperceptions vary significantly depending on their source of news. Those who receive most of their news from Fox News are more likely than average to have misperceptions. Those who receive most of their news from NPR or PBS are less likely to have misperceptions. These variations cannot simply be explained as a result of differences in the demographic characteristics of each audience, because these variations can also be found when comparing the demographic subgroups of each audience.”
Almost shocking was the extent to which Fox News viewers were mistaken. Those who relied on the conservative network for news, PIPA reported, were “three times more likely than the next nearest network to hold all three misperceptions. In the audience for NPR/PBS, however, there was an overwhelming majority who did not have any of the three misperceptions, and hardly any had all three.”

Looking at the misperceptions one at a time, people were asked, for example, if the U.S. had discovered the alleged stockpiles of WMD in Iraq since the war began. Just 11% of those who relied on newspapers as their “primary news source” incorrectly believed that U.S. forces had made such a discovery. Only slightly more — 17% — of those who relied on NPR and PBS were wrong. Yet 33% of Fox News viewers were wrong, far ahead of those who relied on any other outlet.
Likewise, when people were asked if the U.S. had “clear evidence” that Saddam Hussein was “working closely with al Queda,” similar results were found. Only 16% of NPR and PBS listeners/viewers believed that the U.S. has such evidence, while 67% of Fox News viewers were under that mistaken impression.
Overall, 80 percent of those who relied on Fox News as their primary news source believed at least one of the three misperceptions. Viewers/listeners/readers of other news outlets didn’t even come close to this total.
In other words, Fox News viewers are literally less informed about these basic facts. They have, put simply, been led to believe things that are simply not true. These poor dupes would have done better in this survey, statistically speaking, if they received no news at all and simply guessed whether the claims were accurate.
And, in addition to a fun bash-Fox-athon, I wanted to add that the PIPA study also documented that those who relied on newspapers as their primary news source were better informed than those who watched any of the television news broadcasts. The only folks more informed than newspaper readers were NPR listeners.

Credibility gone! Demonstrates bias. One of your "perceived realities" Griff. You are believing someone else's interpretation of an alleged study.

Edit--I don't believe "misperceptions" is a word. At least according to spell chek. Gotta watch those sources Griff

[Griff]

Originally Posted by Leftinbuilding

Credibility gone! Demonstrates bias. One of your "perceived realities" Griff. You are believing someone else's interpretation of an alleged study.

Simple math outlined in that article, those statistics are staggering. Calling someone a "poor dupe" is putting it lightly in reference to what this article speaks of. This isn't a perceived reality, it's simple statistics based off a study. The people who conducted the study aren't the people who wrote the article, so what exactly is the difference? This is what I'm talking about, the three ring circus effect, you need your fix for mud.

This is the same reason why you all harp on the "bitter" comment. This is the same reason why you harp on his pastor. This is the reason why you harp on his wife. This is the same reason why people are up in arms about him not wearing an American flag pin (grotesque nationalism). None of you care about this country, you care about whatever you're told to care about.

Anyone who can watch the highlights from those two videos I posted from youtube and still believe that Fox News is unbiased needs to be committed to an asylum. I mean that whole-heartedly, you are NOT well.

[big_arrow_up]

All of his supposed examples of Fox's mudslinging hasn't stopped the majority of households in America from tuning in. Keep digging Griff.

[Leftinbuilding]

Originally Posted by Griff

Simple math outlined in that article, those statistics are staggering. Calling someone a "poor dupe" is putting it lightly in reference to what this article speaks of. This isn't a perceived reality, it's simple statistics based off a study. The people who conducted the study aren't the people who wrote the article, so what exactly is the difference? This is what I'm talking about, the three ring circus effect, you need your fix for mud.

This is the same reason why you all harp on the "bitter" comment. This is the same reason why you harp on his pastor. This is the reason why you harp on his wife. This is the same reason why people are up in arms about him not wearing an American flag pin (grotesque nationalism). None of you care about this country, you care about whatever you're told to care about.

Anyone who can watch the highlights from those two videos I posted from youtube and still believe that Fox News is unbiased needs to be committed to an asylum. I mean that whole-heartedly, you are NOT well.

Did Obama make the "bitter" comment? Is his pastor of 20 years an America-hating racist? Is his wife an out-of-control liability? Is wearing an American flag pin too much to ask of one who wants to run America? The media simply reported these facts. I draw my own conclusions. I am a proud American, I kinda like grotesque nationalism. And frankly, you sound like you are running scared. Your man may not make it.

[Griff]

Originally Posted by Leftinbuilding

Did Obama make the "bitter" comment? Is his pastor of 20 years an America-hating racist? Is his wife an out-of-control liability? Is wearing an American flag pin too much to ask of one who wants to run America? The media simply reported these facts. I draw my own conclusions. I am a proud American, I kinda like grotesque nationalism. And frankly, you sound like you are running scared. Your man may not make it.

Yes he did make the bitter comment and it was the truth. No his pastor of 20 years isn't a racist. No his wife isn't an out of control liability. Yes wearing a pin is too much to ask when it becomes expected and required. The media only reports what they are told to report, that's why there needs to be reform. A lot of people in Germany were proud and they sure loved waving their flags and glorifying their symbols -- I bet you would of liked it over there too.

[Leftinbuilding]

Originally Posted by Griff

Yes he did make the bitter comment and it was the truth. No his pastor of 20 years isn't a racist. No his wife isn't an out of control liability. Yes wearing a pin is too much to ask when it becomes expected and required. The media only reports what they are told to report, that's why there needs to be reform. A lot of people in Germany were proud and they sure loved waving their flags and glorifying their symbols -- I bet you would of liked it over there too.

That Nazi card is so weak. Be original. You like Obama. Stay with him. Your bitterness will only increase. He will never be President. And you can blame "perceived reality". Have a nice evening.

[kene1024]

Unfortnately, regardless of which of the 3 gets elected, we are still screwed. It's sad that in a country this size (with a huge population), these are the choices we are left with.

Of course, there is so much BS involved, no sane person who is qualified for the job actually wants it. So we are left with these 3 hacks to choose from.

We truly do get the government we deserve.

[soberups]

Of the three candidates, I am probably going to have to hold my nose and vote for Obama. I agree with a lot of what he stands for, but the problem is I am also a gun nut/NRA member and his views on that subject are the polar opposite of my own.
I dont think it will matter either way. I hope and pray that I am wrong about this...but I have a sick feeling that if he gets nominated he will suffer the same fate as JFK, RFK and MLK.

[moreluck]

So, save his life and don't vote for him !!!!

[worthlessdriver]

Originally Posted by big_arrow_up

All of his supposed examples of Fox's mudslinging hasn't stopped the majority of households in America from tuning in. Keep digging Griff.

You keep saying that a majority of households tune in to Fox News, that's not true if you compare Fox to ABC,NBC or CBS. These networks have far more viewers than fox.
You are comparing Broadcast News to Cable News.
I would look it up but it is to late and I am going to bed

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by Griff

October 6, 2003

Study shows Fox News viewers misinformed about war, Iraq, WMD


Posted October 6th, 2003 at 11:43 am

I have naively believed for years that staying informed about current events by getting some news is better than blissful ignorance derived from getting no news. Then Fox News Channel helped demonstrate just how wrong I was.
The Program on International Policy Attitudes at the University of Maryland conducted a thorough study of public knowledge and attitudes about current events and the war on terrorism. Researchers found that the public’s mistaken impressions of three facets of U.S. foreign policy — discovery of alleged WMD in Iraq, alleged Iraqi involvement in 9/11, and international support for a U.S. invasion of Iraq — helped fuel support for the war.
While the PIPA study concluded that most Americans (over 60%) held at least one of these mistaken impressions, the researchers also concluded that Americans’ opinions were shaped in large part by which news outlet they relied upon to receive their information.
As the researchers explained in their report, “The extent of Americans’ misperceptions vary significantly depending on their source of news. Those who receive most of their news from Fox News are more likely than average to have misperceptions. Those who receive most of their news from NPR or PBS are less likely to have misperceptions. These variations cannot simply be explained as a result of differences in the demographic characteristics of each audience, because these variations can also be found when comparing the demographic subgroups of each audience.”
Almost shocking was the extent to which Fox News viewers were mistaken. Those who relied on the conservative network for news, PIPA reported, were “three times more likely than the next nearest network to hold all three misperceptions. In the audience for NPR/PBS, however, there was an overwhelming majority who did not have any of the three misperceptions, and hardly any had all three.”

Looking at the misperceptions one at a time, people were asked, for example, if the U.S. had discovered the alleged stockpiles of WMD in Iraq since the war began. Just 11% of those who relied on newspapers as their “primary news source” incorrectly believed that U.S. forces had made such a discovery. Only slightly more — 17% — of those who relied on NPR and PBS were wrong. Yet 33% of Fox News viewers were wrong, far ahead of those who relied on any other outlet.
Likewise, when people were asked if the U.S. had “clear evidence” that Saddam Hussein was “working closely with al Queda,” similar results were found. Only 16% of NPR and PBS listeners/viewers believed that the U.S. has such evidence, while 67% of Fox News viewers were under that mistaken impression.
Overall, 80 percent of those who relied on Fox News as their primary news source believed at least one of the three misperceptions. Viewers/listeners/readers of other news outlets didn’t even come close to this total.
In other words, Fox News viewers are literally less informed about these basic facts. They have, put simply, been led to believe things that are simply not true. These poor dupes would have done better in this survey, statistically speaking, if they received no news at all and simply guessed whether the claims were accurate.
And, in addition to a fun bash-Fox-athon, I wanted to add that the PIPA study also documented that those who relied on newspapers as their primary news source were better informed than those who watched any of the television news broadcasts. The only folks more informed than newspaper readers were NPR listeners.

wow one of the liberal news sources slamming fox. keep serving em up there griffster this is fun.

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by Griff

YouTube - FOX ATTACKS: Iran

You wouldn't know truth if it beat you over the head with a bat.

the majority do thats why the watch fox and stopped watching all the liberal liars. Keep serving em up there griffster.

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by Griff

Simple math outlined in that article, those statistics are staggering. Calling someone a "poor dupe" is putting it lightly in reference to what this article speaks of. This isn't a perceived reality, it's simple statistics based off a study. The people who conducted the study aren't the people who wrote the article, so what exactly is the difference? This is what I'm talking about, the three ring circus effect, you need your fix for mud.

This is the same reason why you all harp on the "bitter" comment. This is the same reason why you harp on his pastor. This is the reason why you harp on his wife. This is the same reason why people are up in arms about him not wearing an American flag pin (grotesque nationalism). None of you care about this country, you care about whatever you're told to care about.

Anyone who can watch the highlights from those two videos I posted from youtube and still believe that Fox News is unbiased needs to be committed to an asylum. I mean that whole-heartedly, you are NOT well.

oh griffy. Fox most preffered news source. Preffered by the majority for its unbiased perspective. Watch and learn my friend.

[tieguy]

[quote=Griff;331787]Yes he did make the bitter comment and it was the truth. No his pastor of 20 years isn't a racist. No his wife isn't an out of control liability...no the sky is not blue....no ups trucks are not brown....no its all a mirage.


Twenty years griffy. Obama bin ladin sat in those pews for twenty years listening to the racist nut preach and never spoke out against any of it. Obama bin laden sat there when the racist nut said al quida was justified in killing all those innocent americans and never spoke out against it. Twenty years that man sat in those pews and supported that church. yepper undeniable.

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by soberups

Of the three candidates, I am probably going to have to hold my nose and vote for Obama. I agree with a lot of what he stands for, but the problem is I am also a gun nut/NRA member and his views on that subject are the polar opposite of my own.
I dont think it will matter either way. I hope and pray that I am wrong about this...but I have a sick feeling that if he gets nominated he will suffer the same fate as JFK, RFK and MLK.

I picture him answering the phone at 3 am and pulling out the presidential training guide to see how he should respond. the guy has terrific charisma but very little leadership experience. He clearly does not focus since he sat in a church pew for twenty years and never heard a word said. Or so he says.

[The Brown Santa]

Originally Posted by big_arrow_up

All of his supposed examples of Fox's mudslinging hasn't stopped the majority of households in America from tuning in. Keep digging Griff.

And that's the truly scary thing. Goes to show that most Americans are brain dead....

[tieguy]

here's a nice news story by abc since you don't like fox. love the god D _mn america speech. the guy who sat in reverend wrights pew for twenty years now wants to be your president. Couldn't we find a nazi or kkk leader to run with him?
watch and ask yourself what kind of person would support such a radical for twenty years.

YouTube - Obama's Preacher Says God Damn America