UPS on MSNBC last night?

[HazMatMan]

Originally Posted by Jones

Lots of countries have civil wars. Why is it our problem? And how long do we have to stay in order to prevent this civil war?

I think I heard McCain say 20 years.

[HazMatMan]

Originally Posted by 1989

Hillary and Obama arn't rich white men. They are rich though, and they have ran the country for several years now.

Obama runs this country??? I thought he was running for the chance to run this country??

[Leftinbuilding]

Originally Posted by Griff

No you're wrong, we love America and that's why we refuse to remain silent. You're the one who hates America, that's why you support the war machine and the destruction of the constitution you fascist pig.

We are the real patriots, not you. So keep putting support our troops ribbons on your 8mpg SUV and wearing your America swastika.

"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell

Whats the matter Griff? Getting a little frustrated? Or is your only argument childish name-calling? By the way, you need to capitalize "Constitution". Show a little respect.

[Jones]

constitution

[Leftinbuilding]

Originally Posted by Jones

constitution

Totally expected.

[rod]

We may as well nuke em now. It's going to happen someday anyway. WW3 will be fought for control of oil or water or both

[Jones]

Originally Posted by Leftinbuilding

Totally expected.

I'm not wearing my "flag pin" either! Oh no

[Griff]

Originally Posted by Leftinbuilding

Whats the matter Griff? Getting a little frustrated? Or is your only argument childish name-calling? By the way, you need to capitalize "Constitution". Show a little respect.

No need to capitalize it anymore because it doesn't mean a thing with Bush in office. Habeas corpus is gone, rights aren't rights if someone can just take them away.

“Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,” Bush screamed back. “It’s just a ******** piece of paper!”

This is the guy you support and you are going to sit here and tell me that *I* hate America???????? How dare you.

[1989]

Originally Posted by HazMatMan

We should have never went in. Bush felt he had unfinished business from when his dad was in office, so what better excuse to invade Iraq? The 9/11 attacks, which were plotted by Osama Bin Laden, who by the way doesn't rule Iraq. What's so bad?? Have you seen the price of gas lately?? That's not Obama's fault is it?? Is it Bill Clinton's fault??

Iraq was given plenty of time to allow UN inspectors back in. I would have voted to go in. If you arn't hiding anything, why act like you are? Are you saying that bush is the reason oil is so high? Oil is traded on the open market.

[HazMatMan]

Originally Posted by 1989

Iraq was given plenty of time to allow UN inspectors back in. I would have voted to go in. If you arn't hiding anything, why act like you are? Are you saying that bush is the reason oil is so high? Oil is traded on the open market.

No, Bush AND wall street are responsible. Why act like that? Why do some people refuse to take breathalizers knowing dam sure they didn't take one drop of a drink that night?? And did they ever find those weapons of mass destruction that the UN was trying to go in and find???

[Leftinbuilding]

Originally Posted by Griff

No need to capitalize it anymore because it doesn't mean a thing with Bush in office. Habeas corpus is gone, rights aren't rights if someone can just take them away.

“Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,” Bush screamed back. “It’s just a goddamned piece of paper!”

This is the guy you support and you are going to sit here and tell me that *I* hate America???????? How dare you.

I would like to see the reference to the Bush quote.

[kene1024]

Originally Posted by 1989

Iraq was given plenty of time to allow UN inspectors back in. I would have voted to go in. If you arn't hiding anything, why act like you are? Are you saying that bush is the reason oil is so high? Oil is traded on the open market.

If we weren't borrowing billions of dollars to piss away on a stupid war that should never have been started, the dollar wouldn't be getting hammered so bad, and oil wouldn't cost over $100 a barrel.

If things keep going the way they are, pretty soon you'll need $10 to buy a loaf of bread.

I blame Bush and the Neocons, because they are the ones who started this war.

[Jones]

" 'Why, of course, the people don't want war', Goering shrugged. 'Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece. Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship.'

'There is one difference,' I pointed out. 'In a democracy the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars.'

'Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.' "

-Gustave Gilbert talks with Hermann Goering at the Nuremburg war Trials,
as reported in the book Nuremberg Diary, by Gustave Gilbert

[1989]

Originally Posted by kene1024

If we weren't borrowing billions of dollars to piss away on a stupid war that should never have been started, the dollar wouldn't be getting hammered so bad, and oil wouldn't cost over $100 a barrel.

If things keep going the way they are, pretty soon you'll need $10 to buy a loaf of bread.

I blame Bush and the Neocons, because they are the ones who started this war.

Your loaf of bread will cost $10 because of ethanol...

[HazMatMan]

Originally Posted by 1989

Your loaf of bread will cost $10 because of ethanol...

All because of ethanol?? No other reason whatsoever??? That is really hard to believe.

[1989]

Originally Posted by HazMatMan

Obama runs this country??? I thought he was running for the chance to run this country??

The senate plays a big role in running this country.

[scratch]

Originally Posted by kene1024

Unfortnately, regardless of which of the 3 gets elected, we are still screwed. It's sad that in a country this size (with a huge population), these are the choices we are left with.

Of course, there is so much BS involved, no sane person who is qualified for the job actually wants it. So we are left with these 3 hacks to choose from.

We truly do get the government we deserve.

So far, kene1024 has made the best post in this thread, with LeftInBuilding a close second. I am not very impressed personally with any of these three candidates. These people are only in it for themselves, anybody that believes any politician's rhetoric during the Election Cycle is naive. This thread started when someone asked if UPS was on MSNBC, and soon went political. Because of that, it now belongs in Current Events instead of the UPS Discussions Forum.

I am afraid that this topic is just going to get more combative from now to November. The personal attacks from a certain few posters needs to be toned down some. If you can't make a point without insulting other members, you don't need to be here. The Moderating Team will have to start deleting certain posts and and take further steps to bring some sort of civility back to these Forums, including removing member privileges. I hate to have to read the Riot Act to everyone, I am just trying to get you folks to try to get along a little better.

[Griff]

Originally Posted by Leftinbuilding

I would like to see the reference to the Bush quote.

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artma...cle_7779.shtml

Even if that is a "BIASED" source or lets go as far to say that quote is false. What does it really matter? On 10-17-06, George Bush dissolved the constitution and made that quote truth whether he uttered those words or not. With this fascist war profiteer in the white house the constitution IS just a piece of paper. If you support Bush, you support the dismantling of the constitution and therefore are anti-American. It's just that simple.

[Leftinbuilding]

No prob Scratch. I am going to bed, so see ya'll later.

[HazMatMan]

Originally Posted by Leftinbuilding

No prob Scratch. I am going to bed, so see ya'll later.

Holy crap, we agree on something, I am going to bed too. This is a perfect example of the old saying, "Never discuss religion or politics"