UPS on MSNBC last night?

[kene1024]

Originally Posted by av8torntn

Maybe we would not have to borrow billions for war if we had not promised trillions that we did not have for social security.

Wouldn't have to borrow billions for war if we were not fighting one. And how is social security at all relevant to the cost of a pointless war? I don't understand the connection.

[HazMatMan]

Originally Posted by scratch

How true, HazMatMan. People feel strongly about these two topics. Strangers insulting each other over the internet aren't going to change anybodys mind. More often then not, they just make themselves look bad when taking things to an extreme. I have no problems with anybody that has a different point of view than I do. I would just hope that we can have an intelligent discussion of our differences and try to understand each other a little better.

You are so right Scratch. I am officially retiring myself from this particular post. Besides, I need to study for the Derby.

[Leftinbuilding]

Originally Posted by HazMatMan

You are so right Scratch. I am officially retiring myself from this particular post. Besides, I need to study for the Derby.

Likewise. (except for the Derby part)

[The-UK-Guy]

Originally Posted by Griff

I've watched many videos of his pastors speeches and I have yet to see that he is racist. Please start listing exact and direct quotes that paint him as a racist because I have yet to see any. All you have managed to do here is regurgitate Fox News headlines. As of right now I don't even think you know what the term racist means, I suggest you look it up.

This country and world has always been run by rich white men. That isn't being racist, it's being truthful.

you are a wigger

[av8torntn]

Originally Posted by kene1024

Wouldn't have to borrow billions for war if we were not fighting one. And how is social security at all relevant to the cost of a pointless war? I don't understand the connection.

That is easy I see the war as needed. I see social security as pointless. You make the complaint of borrowing billions for something but ignore the giant pink elephant in the room where we will be borrowing trillions. If your problem with the war is the cost why can't you target the social security first? So I see our government spending billions to fight a needed war and wasting trillions on a pointless, wasteful, government retirement program called social security. The connection is I see the Federal government as having the power to wage war, but I do not think our founders want the Federal government to take money from me to give it to someone so they would not have to work.

[traveler]

Originally Posted by 1989

A % of corn is to be use for ethanol...Which is raising the price of corn...Farmers get more for corn...They are cutting rain forrest to grow corn...Other commodities aren't being planted because corn means more money...A shortage of other commodities such as wheat will raise their prices.

Wow, what a smart move and it is encouraged by our ?leaders? Using a basic food to run our cars rather than a gooey black gunk that is good for little else. Yup, that's showing those middle eastern despots we don't need their oil!

"They are cutting rain forrest to grow corn."

Just a heads up, the Brazilians are mostly using sugar cane to produce ethanol, not corn. A much better source to use and it grows rapidly too.

[diesel96]

Originally Posted by av8torntn

That is easy I see the war as needed. I see social security as pointless. You make the complaint of borrowing billions for something but ignore the giant pink elephant in the room where we will be borrowing trillions. If your problem with the war is the cost why can't you target the social security first? So I see our government spending billions to fight a needed war and wasting trillions on a pointless, wasteful, government retirement program called social security. The connection is I see the Federal government as having the power to wage war, but I do not think our founders want the Federal government to take money from me to give it to someone so they would not have to work.

First off,
"you are a wigger"....thats kind of rascist UKGuy, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, maybe you meant Whig-ger....An American favoring independence from Great Britain..


Anyhow, AV8 wants to take away money from our retiree's (veterans and non-veterans) who paid into the SS fund for years and instead give it to a un-neccessary war and occupation(majority opinion) we started under false pretenses? So you want to support the citizens and infrastructure of another country before our own citizens. I know your a veteran and love your country but this statement doesn't strenghten your case. Our founding fathers would not have started this war or thought it was needed and certainly would have followed the constitution to the tee. And BTW SS is for retiree's so they don't have to work, or maybe your confusing it with welfare.

[wkmac]

Originally Posted by StevenB

A friend left a message saying he was watching MSNBC last night and they where running a huge story that I really needed to see. Of course he didn't say what it was and I can't seem to find it in any searches.

Anyone see it that could shed some light on the subject??

Steve

LMFAO@ US on in this forum!!!!! How in the world can we take a thread that starts off with a completely innocent and totally unrelated question and twist it to the point that the entire thread has to be moved over to the "political" (I know they call it current events) forum?

We truly are FVCKed UP!!!!!!!!!

[scratch]

Originally Posted by wkmac

LMFAO@ US on in this forum!!!!! How in the world can we take a thread that starts off with a completely innocent and totally unrelated question and twist it to the point that the entire thread has to be moved over to the "political" (I know they call it current events) forum?

We truly are FVCKed UP!!!!!!!!!

wkmac,
I think that it is probably my fault. I made that comment that not too many people watch MSNBC and Griff gave his interpretation of that. Sorry to turn a thread.............

[The-UK-Guy]

Originally Posted by diesel96

First off,
"you are a wigger"....thats kind of rascist UKGuy, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, maybe you meant Whig-ger....An American favoring independence from Great Britain..


Anyhow, AV8 wants to take away money from our retiree's (veterans and non-veterans) who paid into the SS fund for years and instead give it to a un-neccessary war and occupation(majority opinion) we started under false pretenses? So you want to support the citizens and infrastructure of another country before our own citizens. I know your a veteran and love your country but this statement doesn't strenghten your case. Our founding fathers would not have started this war or thought it was needed and certainly would have followed the constitution to the tee. And BTW SS is for retiree's so they don't have to work, or maybe your confusing it with welfare.

oops. spelling was never one of my strong points

[upsgrunt]

Hey Griff, ever see these numbers?

In just one year. Remember the election in 2006?
1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
3) The unemployment rate was 4.5%.
Since voting in a Democratic Congress in 2006 we have
seen:
1) Consumer confidence plummet;
2) The cost of regular gasoline soar to over $3.50 a
gallon;
3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);
4) American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity
value evaporate (stock and mutual fund losses);
5) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.2
trillion dollars;
6) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.
America voted for change in 2006, and we got it!
Remember it's Congress that makes law not the President.
He has to work with what's handed to him.
Part 2:
Taxes...Whether Democrat or a Republican you will find these statistics
enlightening and amazing.
www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/151.html;
Taxes under Clinton 1999 Taxes under Bush 2008
Single making 30K - tax $8,400 Single making 30K - tax $4,500
Single making 50K - tax $14,000 Single making 50K - tax $12,500
Single making 75K - tax $23,250 Single making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 60K - tax $16,800 Married making 60K- tax $9,000
Married making 75K - tax $21,000 Married making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 125K - tax $38,750 Married making 125K - tax $31,250
Both democratic candidates will return to the higher tax rates
It is amazing how many people that fall into the categories above think
Bush is screwing them and Bill Clinton was the greatest President ever.
If Obama or Hillary are elected, they both say they will repeal the Bush tax cuts and a good portion of the people that fall into the categories above
can't wait for it to happen.

[upsgrunt]

Here's the rest of it:

PART 3:
You think the war in Iraq is costing us too much? Read
this:
Boy, am I confused. I have been hammered with the
propaganda that it is the Iraq war and the war on terror
that is bankrupting us. I now find that to be RIDICULOUS.
1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to
illegal aliens each year by state governments.
Verify at: http://tinyurl.com/zob77
2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food
assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free
school lunches for illegal aliens.
Verify at:
http://www.cis..org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid
for illegal aliens.
Verify at:
http://www.cis..org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and
secondary school education for children here illegally
and they cannot speak a word of English!
Verify at:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.html
5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for
education for the American-born children of illegal
aliens, known as anchor babies.
Verify at
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate
illegal aliens.
Verify at:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal
aliens.
Verify at:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal
aliens for Welfare & social services by the American
taxpayers.
Verify at:
http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html
9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American
wages are caused by the illegal aliens.
Verify at:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime
rate that's two and a half times that of white
non-illegal aliens. In particular,
their children, are going to make a huge additional
crime problem in the US
Verify at:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html
11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION
illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as
many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries.
Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and
marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern
border.
Verify at: Homeland Security
Report: http://tinyurl.com/t9sht
12. The National Policy Institute, 'estimated that the
total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and
$230 billion or an average
cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five
year period.'
Verify at:
http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf
13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in
remittances back to their countries of origin.
Verify at:
http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm
14. 'The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One
Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The
United States.'
Verify at:
http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml
The total cost is a whopping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A
YEAR.

[Jones]

There are problems with at least the first two emails you copied and pasted:

click#1

click#2

Either way I fail to see what any of that has to do with Iraq.
Tax rates and Illegal immigration are separate issues, the fact that we might be screwing up those two things doesn't somehow justify the Iraq war.

[av8torntn]

Originally Posted by Jones

There are problems with at least the first two emails you copied and pasted:

click#1

click#2

Either way I fail to see what any of that has to do with Iraq.
Tax rates and Illegal immigration are separate issues, the fact that we might be screwing up those two things doesn't somehow justify the Iraq war.

Your click 2 says it is basically correct that tax rates are lower across the board even though the email does not take into account the alternative minimum tax. I am pretty confident that married making under 125k will have a very difficult time hitting the AMT. Your article says they basically got the answer right they just do not agree with how they arrived at the answer.


Your click number one says that Lieberman is an independent and I was fairly sure he was a member of the Democratic caucus. I am also pretty sure that Sanders is a member of the Democratic caucus.

[big_arrow_up]

Originally Posted by av8torntn

Your click 2 says it is basically correct that tax rates are lower across the board even though the email does not take into account the alternative minimum tax. I am pretty confident that married making under 125k will have a very difficult time hitting the AMT. Your article says they basically got the answer right they just do not agree with how they arrived at the answer.


Your click number one says that Lieberman is an independent and I was fairly sure he was a member of the Democratic caucus. I am also pretty sure that Sanders is a member of the Democratic caucus.

Well of course that is what it says. Liberals are known for lying about something even when the truth is staring them right in the face. That is why they are masters at misinterpreting things. They've figured out how to make damaging facts go away. Either by ignoring them or totally twisting them.

[brett636]

Originally Posted by diesel96

Maybe Pres. Bush should have taken lessons from our brave Fireman and Policeman who didn't hesitate like a deer in headlights or shown "remarkable restraint" to respond to those in the twin towers (good thing your not in the Civil Service business) we'll leave that up to the professionals. Instead of channeling anger towards Micheal Moore, and Obama's (decorated ex-marine) preacher (which in your estimation makes the same cherry picked sermon every Sunday for the last twenty years and you compare him to the KKK), how about staying focused on the real issues effecting Americans, like War, Economy, Science and Technology, etc....instead, the only focus of the conservative's mudslinging agenda and those who share their views is Rev Wright, Bill Ayers, bitter comments, Obama's middle name,Obama's father, Obama's white grandmother, Liberal Media, Racism card, flagpins, Micheal Moore etc.....shouldn't Republicans, Rush, Sean, Ann and Fox groupies be addressing the REAL issues that effect Americans, or, with the Republican track record of the last 8 years there conceding they can't win on the issues.

Your absolutly right. Lets not look into the background of the man who wants to be the president of the united states. Lets all believe everything he has to say on the issues since we know politicians never lie about how they will conduct themselves in office. Lets ignore the fact that he has a racist as a mentor, an unrepentant terrorist as a close friend, and looks down on small town Americans who "cling" to their bibles and guns simply because they are bitter of their economic situations. Just ignore the man behind the curtain.