UPS on MSNBC last night?

Whenever we look forward to a potential war with Iran, the first logical question to ask is: why did the United States invade Iraq? Naturally, the mainstream media (as well as the alternative media) have given us plenty of supposed reasons, from WMD’s, terrorism, oil, Saddam Hussein, al Qaeda, 9-11, and the desire to spread 'freedom and democracy' (ha, that's a good one) throughout the Middle East. But every one of these explanations is a smokescreen to cover our true motives.

The real reason we waged war with Iraq is that in November, 2000 Saddam Hussein refused to accept the U.S. dollar for his oil, and instead switched to the euro. Hussein also made a dramatic move by switching all of his U.N. reserves from the dollar to the euro. Thus, our invasion was nothing more than an attempt to maintain the dollar’s monopoly on oil purchases throughout the world. Stated differently, we wanted there to be no other choice than the dollar as the world’s sole petro-currency. Our attack, then, was an example to other countries – don’t convert your system over to the euro, and don’t challenge the dollar’s dominance.

And today, even though the U.S. is mired in a godawful war, we did thwart a widespread move to an alternate currency. In addition, we’ve also encircled the Middle East with military bases (especially Iran) so that any future uprisings or shifts away from “popular convention” can be immediately quelled.

To prove this is what happened, ask yourself: what is the first thing the United States did in 2003 after invading Iraq? Answer: after our troops “shocked and awed” their way into Baghdad, they immediately set-up a central bank! Now think about this scenario. We’re in the middle of a war, and what do we do first, above and beyond everything else? We set-up a bank! How much importance do you think this notion has? An enormous amount.

We then ripped-up all of Saddam’s old euro-based oil contracts, switched everything back to the dollar, and tied the whole damn thing back into the Federal Reserve. Our planners also cut-off the euro-based Oil-for-Food program within two months of “Mission Accomplished.”

Now when you think back to America’s invasion of Iraq, why do you think so many countries were perturbed by our actions? It’s because our Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA) nullified all of the previous euro-based oil contracts that Saddam Hussein made between 1997-2002 with countries such as France, Russia, and China. The total worth of these agreements totaled $1.1 trillion! They all disappeared into thin air, and had to be renegotiated in dollars.

At this point, one must wonder: how did things get this way? When you consider all the different countries in the world, and all its various people and currencies, why are they only able to buy oil with one type of currency? To answer this question, we need to return in time to 1971. Richard Milhouse Nixon was president, and to appease his Rockefeller controllers who put him in office, he committed one of the gravest offenses ever against this country by taking it off the gold standard.

Shortly thereafter, Henry Kissinger, along with Treasury Secretary William Simon, made a secret deal with Saudi Arabia’s King Fahd where all OPEC oil could only be sold in U.S. dollars. [For a much more extensive explanation of this closed-door deal, see The New World Order Illusion]

Therefore, in the early 1970’s the gold standard was replaced by the oil standard, and since all oil was now priced in U.S. dollars, the oil standard became the dollar standard! So, since everyone in the world needed dollars to buy oil, our dollar became the de facto fiat currency for nearly all international trade, including the World Bank and the IMF (International Monetary Fund). What this phenomenon essentially did was allow the U.S. to be subsidized by the entire world.

Why, you may wonder? Because, since everybody needs our dollar, and since the dollar was no longer constrained by a “gold standard,” we (meaning our Federal Reserve) could literally have the Treasury Department print money at will. Of course this scenario was highly beneficial to America, but at the same time it created huge problems. First, because we aren’t able to control our spending, an astronomical $8 trillion deficit has resulted. But instead of restraining our carte blanche excess (especially on the War Machine and social programs – remember, George Bush hasn’t vetoed one single spending bill since he took office in 2001), we simply print more money at will to cover our debts.

Of course we’ll analyze this situation more thoroughly in subsequent installments of this article, but the point to remember right now is that the real reason we attacked Iraq wasn’t WMD’s; and Iran’s threat of developing “nuclear capabilities” is likewise propaganda.

The real intent behind all these veils is the dollar’s monopoly on international oil trading, along with the New World Order’s plan to reshape the global economic system. Will our dollar survive, or will it tank in the near future? Or, will America merely be used to do the NWO’s dirty work until our usefulness is completely exhausted; at which point we’ll be discarded like yesterday’s trash?

[traveler]

Originally Posted by Bush ruined America

You know, you Bush lovers act like he did such a great job for this country. When will you admit he ruined this country. He comes from a wealthy family who have ties to big oil. His popularity is at an all time low. Is that a coincidence? Or are people just fed up with him. Once again, you cannot give a reason why he invaded Iraq after 9/11 when it was Osama Bin Laden who was responsible for the attacks on America and not Iraq. And all you can do is blame the Democrats. Just imagine had his daddy not been saved after being shot down in World War II. No Bush to ruin this country!!!!

You certainly have alot to say for a person without the guts to register. I copied your shorter post just so I didn't take too much space. Both posts are just silly!

[1989]

Here is an article on the ethanol proplem i've been talking about. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24361263

[wkmac]

Originally Posted by scratch

wkmac,
I think that it is probably my fault. I made that comment that not too many people watch MSNBC and Griff gave his interpretation of that. Sorry to turn a thread.............

Scratch,

You should be drawn and quartered!


Had you not stepped in someone else would have so might as well get it over with!

That said and who am I to fight "DEMOCRACY" and the will of the people here!

Bush Ruined America,

I have to agree with Traveler that at least have the decency to register instead of hiding behind the "BUSHES" so to speak!


You did however raise a extremely valid and surprisingly little known point about the events leading up to Iraq and it didn't help that Saddam tried to pull this rabbit out of his hat but IMO it really was an afterthought on his part. The assault to remove Saddam and install a US/Israeli controlled "democracy" was began as far back as the mid 1990's when Richard Perle under the commission of Institute of Advanced Strategic and Political Studies in Israel prepared the document entitled "A Clean Break" http://www.iasps.org/strat1.htm
in which a key essential was the bringing down of Saddam and the conversion of Iraq to a western style democracy for the advantage of securing oil for the west and making Iraq a center pin on containment for Iranian Shia's and Arab Sunni's who oppose Israeli expansionism to the biblical fulfillment of the Abrahamic promise in Genesis 12 of what is known as "Greater Israel."

Many in the American christian right who hold a post millenial eschatology see this fulfillment as a means of accelerating the rapture, Jesus' return and the 1000 year King of God. In other words, it's a means of self fulfilling prophesy. In the Muslim world, we have the same clash as they believe the Abraham promise came to their forefather Ismael and they hope is a greater Islamic world of controlling the entire Middle East according to that promise. The Mauhdi army takes it's name from the Shia messiah of the future who is called by the name Mauhdi. We are caught in the middle of a literal Holy War with global business interests on the sides manipulating for the purpose of power and control.

More on Perle and the document "A Clean Break" can also be found at Wikipedia however I'd pay more attention to the footnotes and external links to verify all that is claimed in the articles and I say that about any Wiki article.

On Perle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Perle

On " A Clean Break":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clean...ring_the_Realm

You might also look at Perle and his activities in the late 90's in the waining years of the Clinton adminstration and his actions with the Project for A New American Century.

Now let's talk Iran for a minute. Unlike the Arab Sunni, the Iranian Shia are Persian and have a rather different history and perspective. It may also shock and surprise many that much of our customs, religious beliefs, etc. come more from Persia and that area of the world than it does having any origins in western Europe. (Thank you Imperial Roman Empire and the later Holy Roman Empire)

We also share common heritage somewhat in the Proto-Indo European peoples but that link dates back 6000 years ago. Being those links have all but broken let's look at Iran today in light of you comment about Saddam and the euro for oil.

Back around 2005-2006, we heard the beginnings of saber rattling towards Iran after all the focus had been on the sunni world. The Shia had been a silent friend in the overthrow of Saddam because odd as it may be, they shared a common benefit with Israel with this guy being gone. But Iran made a terrible mistake in judgement as one William Clark points out from the global research website. The plans exposed may seem very striking to another ill fated attempt in the year 2000' by another miscalculating Middle East leader.

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CLA410A.html

Should we be surprised that history just repeats itself because we'd to stupid to learn from it?

C Ya!

No guts to register?? Why register?? What's the point?? It's not going to make a difference if I do or not. If I register can you find me and beat me up or something??

[upsgrunt]

Originally Posted by Bush ruined America

No guts to register?? Why register?? What's the point?? It's not going to make a difference if I do or not. If I register can you find me and beat me up or something??

Of course you would do much better at the job of being president, wouldn't you? All you Bush haters want to do is condemn the man, when I'm pretty sure he is doing the best he can with what he has to work with. If you think about it, the president surely isn't overpaid at $400k a year. Do I support Bush only because I'm a Republican? NO--I support him because he is OUR president. I wasn't real fond of everything Clinton did, but you know what, I supported him in office to because of the same reason. That and he was one of the few, if not the only one, to reduce the deficit and balance the budget while in office.
Presidents are mere mortals, and they certainly deserve our support for their efforts, even when they make mistakes, or you don't agree with everything they do. Would you want your wife, kids, or parents to bash you when you make a mistake and never forgive you?
You are free to run for office if you think you could do better.

[brett636]

Originally Posted by Bush ruined America

Whenever we look forward to a potential war with Iran, the first logical question to ask is: why did the United States invade Iraq? Naturally, the mainstream media (as well as the alternative media) have given us plenty of supposed reasons, from WMD’s, terrorism, oil, Saddam Hussein, al Qaeda, 9-11, and the desire to spread 'freedom and democracy' (ha, that's a good one) throughout the Middle East. But every one of these explanations is a smokescreen to cover our true motives.

The real reason we waged war with Iraq is that in November, 2000 Saddam Hussein refused to accept the U.S. dollar for his oil, and instead switched to the euro. Hussein also made a dramatic move by switching all of his U.N. reserves from the dollar to the euro. Thus, our invasion was nothing more than an attempt to maintain the dollar’s monopoly on oil purchases throughout the world. Stated differently, we wanted there to be no other choice than the dollar as the world’s sole petro-currency. Our attack, then, was an example to other countries – don’t convert your system over to the euro, and don’t challenge the dollar’s dominance.

And today, even though the U.S. is mired in a godawful war, we did thwart a widespread move to an alternate currency. In addition, we’ve also encircled the Middle East with military bases (especially Iran) so that any future uprisings or shifts away from “popular convention” can be immediately quelled.

To prove this is what happened, ask yourself: what is the first thing the United States did in 2003 after invading Iraq? Answer: after our troops “shocked and awed” their way into Baghdad, they immediately set-up a central bank! Now think about this scenario. We’re in the middle of a war, and what do we do first, above and beyond everything else? We set-up a bank! How much importance do you think this notion has? An enormous amount.

We then ripped-up all of Saddam’s old euro-based oil contracts, switched everything back to the dollar, and tied the whole damn thing back into the Federal Reserve. Our planners also cut-off the euro-based Oil-for-Food program within two months of “Mission Accomplished.”

Now when you think back to America’s invasion of Iraq, why do you think so many countries were perturbed by our actions? It’s because our Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA) nullified all of the previous euro-based oil contracts that Saddam Hussein made between 1997-2002 with countries such as France, Russia, and China. The total worth of these agreements totaled $1.1 trillion! They all disappeared into thin air, and had to be renegotiated in dollars.

At this point, one must wonder: how did things get this way? When you consider all the different countries in the world, and all its various people and currencies, why are they only able to buy oil with one type of currency? To answer this question, we need to return in time to 1971. Richard Milhouse Nixon was president, and to appease his Rockefeller controllers who put him in office, he committed one of the gravest offenses ever against this country by taking it off the gold standard.

Shortly thereafter, Henry Kissinger, along with Treasury Secretary William Simon, made a secret deal with Saudi Arabia’s King Fahd where all OPEC oil could only be sold in U.S. dollars. [For a much more extensive explanation of this closed-door deal, see The New World Order Illusion]

Therefore, in the early 1970’s the gold standard was replaced by the oil standard, and since all oil was now priced in U.S. dollars, the oil standard became the dollar standard! So, since everyone in the world needed dollars to buy oil, our dollar became the de facto fiat currency for nearly all international trade, including the World Bank and the IMF (International Monetary Fund). What this phenomenon essentially did was allow the U.S. to be subsidized by the entire world.

Why, you may wonder? Because, since everybody needs our dollar, and since the dollar was no longer constrained by a “gold standard,” we (meaning our Federal Reserve) could literally have the Treasury Department print money at will. Of course this scenario was highly beneficial to America, but at the same time it created huge problems. First, because we aren’t able to control our spending, an astronomical $8 trillion deficit has resulted. But instead of restraining our carte blanche excess (especially on the War Machine and social programs – remember, George Bush hasn’t vetoed one single spending bill since he took office in 2001), we simply print more money at will to cover our debts.

Of course we’ll analyze this situation more thoroughly in subsequent installments of this article, but the point to remember right now is that the real reason we attacked Iraq wasn’t WMD’s; and Iran’s threat of developing “nuclear capabilities” is likewise propaganda.

The real intent behind all these veils is the dollar’s monopoly on international oil trading, along with the New World Order’s plan to reshape the global economic system. Will our dollar survive, or will it tank in the near future? Or, will America merely be used to do the NWO’s dirty work until our usefulness is completely exhausted; at which point we’ll be discarded like yesterday’s trash?

You sir, are a fool. That is all.

[wkmac]

Originally Posted by brett636

You sir, are a fool. That is all.

Brett,

There may be some statements of his that delve more towards the grand conspiratorial but a lot of what he said is more fact than fiction.

Nixon did remove the dollar from gold for all time in the early 70's and OPEC is required by international and his own law so to speak to only trade their oil on the markets in London or New York and it can only be sold in the global reserve currency, the US dollar. One reason the financial crisis in America has effected the globe is because of the dollar's dominate position. This was accomplished at the close of WW2 via what is known as the Bretton-Woods agreement.

Saddam attempted to circumvent the international embargo as much imposed on him by his OPEC friends as by the US by attempting to start his own oil market and using the Euro as it's trading currency. France and Germany were such roadblocks to GW's Iraq invasion because these guys are still old world imperialist at heart and here was the chance to knock down the economic dominace globally of the Anglo-American empire and maybe return old world Germany and France back into the game. Both France and Germany had placed their bets on the Euro and here is the chance to cash in so to speak. George Soros is a huge currency hedge fund guy and he also had a large stake in the Euro and thus a factor in his opposition to GW's MidEast adventures.

Over the coming years China and India especially will emerge more and more as economic powerhouses and huge engines of consumerism. As such, they will need vast quantities of energy and their are those who have suggested in 30 years these 2 giants will consume 6 to 8 times more oil than they do now. Saddam was a madman but it may not turn out in the end his madness was exactly like we were told and as a side note, ain't it interesing that in all the events over the last 7 years we've not heard a peep of objection from the Saudi Royal House concerning the fall of Saddam? They wanted him dead too. And that in itself is an interesting story going back to 1990' and the conversation of Bush 1 April Gillespie with Saddam Hussien about his thoughts concerns Kuwait.

As for the dollar and the removal of Gold, the Street website had an interesting article about Mr. Greenspan and his ideas on the dollar and it's relationship with gold backing. Greenspan is an interesting character having been a close friend and student if you will of Ayn Rand and the Objectionist movement. Reagan in 76' talked of returning to gold backing of the dollar and even killing the Federal Reserve and in 1980' he still spoke of returning to gold. When he named Greenspan, we thought we were on the way to Nirvana only to learn that "the Machine" is more powerful than we thought.

Here's the piece from The Street about Greenspan and Gold that does connect a bit to what "Bush" mentioned above.

http://www.thestreet.com/s/for-greenspan-gold-once-glittered/markets/marketfeatures/10414187.html?puc=googlen&cm_ven=GOOGLEN&cm_cat=FR EE&cm_ite=NA

As for Iran, here is another newstory to go along with William Clark's piece and if you go back and look at the US saber rattling towrds Iran, it literally began just at the news of Iran attempting to create it's own oil market.
http://informationclearinghouse.info/article12951.htm 4th paragraph down also confirms that New York and London are the only global oil trading markets. Now Iran since has pulled back from those ideas but the genie so to speak is out of the bottle and the threat to Anglo-American monopoly can't be tolerated.

More on same from other media sources
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/20060505-0927-iran-oil-euros.html

Another piece written by William Clark for Energy Bulletin
http://www.energybulletin.net/2913.html

From International Business Times
http://uk.ibtimes.com/articles/20060505/euro-oil-iran.htm

And from Boston
http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2006/05/05/iran_seeks_euro_denominated_oil_market/

Saddam did the exact same thing in 2000' and what happened?

Meaningless? Coincidence?

Maybe or Maybe not!

Have a good one and just by chance you want to tell me that I'm a fool too, no need, I've completely established that fact all on my own so you can save the keystrokes!

[diesel96]

Originally Posted by brett636

You sir, are a fool. That is all.

Relax, Brett...Its a cut and paste job. The article has some validity and merit. Why don't you just break it down and put your O'reily facter Spin on it

Originally Posted by upsgrunt

Of course you would do much better at the job of being president, wouldn't you? All you Bush haters want to do is condemn the man, when I'm pretty sure he is doing the best he can with what he has to work with. If you think about it, the president surely isn't overpaid at $400k a year. Do I support Bush only because I'm a Republican? NO--I support him because he is OUR president. I wasn't real fond of everything Clinton did, but you know what, I supported him in office to because of the same reason. That and he was one of the few, if not the only one, to reduce the deficit and balance the budget while in office.
Presidents are mere mortals, and they certainly deserve our support for their efforts, even when they make mistakes, or you don't agree with everything they do. Would you want your wife, kids, or parents to bash you when you make a mistake and never forgive you?
You are free to run for office if you think you could do better.

Grunt, your loyalty is true red,white and blue. However, sounds like a Military or Government personal point of view. As a citizen IMO we have to expand those views. Our President is supposed to work for the masses, like you and I,the grunts, not mainly for the corperation, the wealthy, the Washington Lobbiest. Not for retaining re-election and control of the Executive Branch, create loopholes and straying from the constitution, not engage in unpopular wars, spend and borrow aimlessly creating massive deficits. Those are just a few defficientcies this Administration displays. Are we supposed to sit back and twiddle our thumbs and blindly allow our elected Gov't officals and Leaders act in the interest of themselves,hired lobbyist, and to Corperate Mongers who ignore the will of "The People"(grunts) who voted for them to get to where they are. If they are working and demonstrating their ability to govern as the promised the crowds who got them in office, then yes, of course we should support them. However when they stray from the roost and make deals with the foxes, we are doomed and should stand on the soapboxes and scream out the window sills that "Were mad as Hell, and were not gonna take it anymore"!!!

You are so stuck up Bush's butt you cannot see he is pulling the wool over your eyes and shoving it right up our a**es. I would rather be a supervisor than be president. As for me living in America I can say this without repurcussion that you sir are a biger fool. You need to learn that people are entitled to an opinion no matter how much YOU may feel it is stupid or doesn't make sense (to you). Have a wonderful day Mr. Brett...I'm sure I will be hearing from you..

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by Bush ruined America.

You are so stuck up Bush's butt you cannot see he is pulling the wool over your eyes and shoving it right up our a**es. I would rather be a supervisor than be president. As for me living in America I can say this without repurcussion that you sir are a biger fool. You need to learn that people are entitled to an opinion no matter how much YOU may feel it is stupid or doesn't make sense (to you). Have a wonderful day Mr. Brett...I'm sure I will be hearing from you..

Feel free to join the site and have an opinion rather then hiding in the shadows of Anon land. When you offer your opinions expect that others will also offer theirs. You have no more rights to an opinion then others do theirs.

[toonertoo]

Originally Posted by Bush ruined America

No guts to register?? Why register?? What's the point?? It's not going to make a difference if I do or not. If I register can you find me and beat me up or something??

We usually track you down by Sunday when we have nothing better to do, (when you are unregistered) and A couple of us hold you down and the rest stone you. We only beat you verbally when you register. Until then all beatings are physical, and violent in nature.

[HazMatMan]

People shouldn't discuss politics or religion.. Way too controversial...

[scratch]

Originally Posted by HazMatMan

People shouldn't discuss politics or religion.. Way too controversial...

But people like to get into pointless arguments!!

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by Bush ruined America.

You are so stuck up Bush's butt you cannot see he is pulling the wool over your eyes and shoving it right up our a**es. ..

I was wondering why the world got dark and I keep having this uncomfortable feeling in my rectum. Who said anonymous posters have no value here.

[big_arrow_up]

I am not a huge Bush fan. When I hear that his approval rating is as low as it is it doesn't surprise me. On the other hand.....it's not like the Democratic Majority Congress is doing a bang up job in that department either. Their approval ratings are at an all time low. Even lower than Bush's. There is something to ponder. Also, when compared to the two Democratic presidential candidates and what they are saying they'll bring to the table if elected I'd have to say that Bush doesn't look all that bad.

[satellitedriver]

Originally Posted by scratch

But people like to get into pointless arguments!!

I am guilty of that,
but, it makes Brown Cafe a fun place to visit.