Who is Obama

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by Jones

Yes, because it's well known that Americans just hate the idea of helping the poor. And getting rid of nuclear weapons? More crazy talk...

most americans have this crazy idea that the redistribution of wealth should be voluntary.

The good news for all you company haters is Obama redistributing our wealth may eliminate the need for a united way.

[UPS Lifer]

Originally Posted by tieguy

most americans have this crazy idea that the redistribution of wealth should be voluntary.

The good news for all you company haters is Obama redistributing our wealth may eliminate the need for a united way.

I want to be able to help who I want to help! Period!

A lot of folks are looking for handouts now-a-days. They feel that the rich owe them. Self pity takes over and out goes responsibility. All of a sudden the have nots feel that they deserve someone else's wealth. It is not their fault they are the way they are. Society made me this way. YOU OWE ME!
Just look at the difference between the mentality of New Orleans vs. the midwest flooding. You will see what I mean.

I cannot stomach this kind of mentality!

On Monday, I saw a homeless person with no shoe on one foot and the entire sole flapping on the other foot. My son went over to give him his shoes and the guy told him to leave him alone!

My son made a choice to help someone in need. This person didn't come over to him and tell him to give him the shoes!

We all want to help people.... but it should be our choice, not the government or UPS.

[satellitedriver]

Originally Posted by UPS Lifer

Just look at the difference between the mentality of New Orleans vs. the midwest flooding. You will see what I mean.
I cannot stomach this kind of mentality!
We all want to help people.... but it should be our choice, not the government or UPS.

Look at Mississippi (did I spell that right? some times I do not when to stop),Alabama and all the rest of the Gulf Coast after Katrina and Rita. They moved on and started fixing things up and trying to improve what was destroyed.
Iowa, you haven't heard a gripe out of them. Good corn fed folks and I mean that as a compliment.
When you have 6th generation welfare recipients in N.O. La demanding they get funds from the Federal Govt., well what can I say.

[moreluck]

This is an op-ed piece by Jon Voight (I didn't write it, just posting it)

Monday, July 28, 2008


VOIGHT: My concerns for America





OP-ED
We, as parents, are well aware of the importance of our teachers who teach and program our children. We also know how important it is for our children to play with good-thinking children growing up.
Sen. Barack Obama has grown up with the teaching of very angry, militant white and black people: the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Louis Farrakhan, William Ayers and Rev. Michael Pfleger. We cannot say we are not affected by teachers who are militant and angry. We know too well that we become like them, and Mr. Obama will run this country in their mindset.
The Democratic Party, in its quest for power, has managed a propaganda campaign with subliminal messages, creating a God-like figure in a man who falls short in every way. It seems to me that if Mr. Obama wins the presidential election, then Messrs. Farrakhan, Wright, Ayers and Pfleger will gain power for their need to demoralize this country and help create a socialist America.
The Democrats have targeted young people, knowing how easy it is to bring forth whatever is needed to program their minds. I know this process well. I was caught up in the hysteria during the Vietnam era, which was brought about through Marxist propaganda underlying the so-called peace movement. The radicals of that era were successful in giving the communists power to bring forth the killing fields and slaughter 2.5 million people in Cambodia and South Vietnam. Did they stop the war, or did they bring the war to those innocent people? In the end, they turned their backs on all the horror and suffering they helped create and walked away.
Those same leaders who were in the streets in the '60s are very powerful today in their work to bring down the Iraq war and to attack our president, and they have found their way into our schools. William Ayers is a good example of that.
Thank God, today, we have a strong generation of young soldiers who know exactly who they are and what they must do to protect our freedom and our democracy. And we have the leadership of Gen. David Petraeus, who has brought hope and stability to Iraq and prevented the terrorists from establishing a base in that country. Our soldiers are lifting us to an example of patriotism at a time when we've almost forgotten who we are and what is at stake.
If Mr. Obama had his way, he would have pulled our troops from Iraq years ago and initiated an unprecedented bloodbath, turning over that country to the barbarianism of our enemies. With what he has openly stated about his plans for our military, and his lack of understanding about the true nature of our enemies, there's not a cell in my body that can accept the idea that Mr. Obama can keep us safe from the terrorists around the world, and from Iran, which is making great strides toward getting the atomic bomb. And while a misleading portrait of Mr. Obama is being perpetrated by a media controlled by the Democrats, the Obama camp has sent out people to attack the greatness of Sen. John McCain, whose suffering and courage in a Hanoi prison camp is an American legend.
Gen. Wesley Clark, who himself has shame upon him, having been relieved of his command, has done their bidding and become a lying fool in his need to demean a fellow soldier and a true hero.
This is a perilous time, and more than ever, the world needs a united and strong America. If, God forbid, we live to see Mr. Obama president, we will live through a socialist era that America has not seen before, and our country will be weakened in every way.
Jon Voight is an Academy Award-winning actor who is well-known for his humanitarian work.

[diesel96]

I'll give Jon Voit some credit, not a bad actor and he can make a pretty female baby. Too bad he was an absentee father, yet at the same time, a spokesman on parenting for teaching children.
Now I understand why Angelina will have nothing to do with him and didn't take his name.
Voight insults young people by insinuating that they are mindless individuals ripe for programming. Young voting age Americans are not capable of making their own decisions but are old enough to fight old men's wars. He certainly insults those from the Viet Nam era. They did not create that war but they did try to end it, just as many try to end this Iraq war.
He might also be afraid of losing his tax benefits when the tax cuts end up on the congressional floor in 2009. Or maybe, he's looking to rent a room in Cheney's place in Dubai?

The right takes great pleasure in slapping down hollywood types supporting Democrats, but when it comes to those supporting republican hollywood types ohhhhh....Reagonites...What a love affair.

Whats next moreluck, spritual and psycological advice from Tom Cruise?

[wkmac]

Originally Posted by diesel96

Whats next , spritual and psycological advice from Tom Cruise?

More should sign her email posts "and I approve of this message!"


Hey Dez,

I gotta ask dude, what's the deal with you and scientology? You've mentioned this a few times and now my couriosity is up. Look, other than some actors practicing it and some dude L. Ron Hubbard, I know nextto sqwat about this cause. Now we could talk Kabbalah if you like as I have read some on that from a historical POV and no I don't know Madonna. I don't believe or practice modern day organized man-created religion so whatever your thinking is will not get me worked up.

Come on Dez, what gives? You know me, I'm cool with what ya believe, I'm not gonna tell everyone you put out on the first date or something like that!

[av8torntn]

Originally Posted by diesel96

The right takes great pleasure in slapping down hollywood types supporting Democrats, but when it comes to those supporting republican hollywood types ohhhhh....Reagonites...What a love affair.

http://www.slatev.com/player.html?id=1701226987

[diesel96]

Originally Posted by wkmac

More should sign her email posts "and I approve of this message!"


Hey Dez,

I gotta ask dude, what's the deal with you and scientology? You've mentioned this a few times and now my couriosity is up. Look, other than some actors practicing it and some dude L. Ron Hubbard, I know nextto sqwat about this cause. Now we could talk Kabbalah if you like as I have read some on that from a historical POV and no I don't know Madonna. I don't believe or practice modern day organized man-created religion so whatever your thinking is will not get me worked up.

Come on Dez, what gives? You know me, I'm cool with what ya believe, I'm not gonna tell everyone you put out on the first date or something like that!

Scientology is entirely man made. It is the invention of one man: L Ron Hubbard, science fiction writer. No he's not a nuclear physicist and not a war hero. It has no basis in reality and teaches such concepts of aliens attaching “thetans” to human bodies by means of nuclear bombs in various mountains around the world.
They have a hugh compound (religious retreat) near the Clearwater Fl areaa known as FSO and or The Sea Org. in which nightmare stories are documented and originated from there.
You tube "The problem with Scientology" and hear from first hand witness's and former members.

Check out L Ron Hubbard's son's affidavit:

http://www.lermanet.com/cos/rondewolf.htm

http://listverse.com/bizarre/top-10-...h-scientology/

But hey, it's a free country.....if you want to worship ET go right ahead, but leave the children out of the cult. They say their idealogy is based on science, not religion, yet they put on a religious front for tax purposes from the gov't and legal protection from fraud claims.

Now put another Kabbalah on the barbie so I can sink my teeth into, but hold the Madonna.

[wkmac]

Originally Posted by diesel96

Scientology is entirely man made.
All religions are from my POV but I understand your point and I'm cool with that.

It is the invention of one man: L Ron Hubbard, science fiction writer. No he's not a nuclear physicist and not a war hero. It has no basis in reality and teaches such concepts of aliens attaching “thetans” to human bodies by means of nuclear bombs in various mountains around the world.
They have a hugh compound (religious retreat) near the Clearwater Fl areaa known as FSO and or The Sea Org. in which nightmare stories are documented and originated from there.
You tube "The problem with Scientology" and hear from first hand witness's and former members.

Check out L Ron Hubbard's son's affidavit:

http://www.lermanet.com/cos/rondewolf.htm

http://listverse.com/bizarre/top-10-...h-scientology/

Hey, thanks for the explaination so I can better understand where you are coming from.

But hey, it's a free country.....if you want to worship ET go right ahead, but leave the children out of the cult. They say their idealogy is based on science, not religion, yet they put on a religious front for tax purposes from the gov't and legal protection from fraud claims.

Now put another Kabbalah on the barbie so I can sink my teeth into, but hold the Madonna.

LMAO!!!! I loved that one.

I'm listening to an interesting radio interview with Chalmers Johnson, former Cold-Warrior and CIA Analyst, done by Scott Horton of KAOS radio on Anti-War radio. You and maybe a couple more here I think might enjoy the interview about the Military Industrial Complex and the US gov't data mining. Scott also near the end gives a good explaination of why classical liberal/anarcho libertarian types are against what is called privatization under the umbrella of false label of free enterprise. Interview is about 20 minutes.

http://antiwar.com/radio/2008/07/29/chalmers-johnson-4/

[wkmac]

Originally Posted by av8torntn

http://www.slatev.com/player.html?id=1701226987

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!

I'd heard that the Brittney Boy had done one for Obama so thanks for the link and the laugh!

[brazenbrown]

This just in...

Dailymotion - Obamaone1, a video from...

[brazenbrown]

I can't stop there's just too much he doesn't get!! God help us if he gets in!!

Obama's redistribution of wealth plan is already on the table..

Obama's emergency eocnomic plan

And he's serious!!

[UPS Lifer]

McCain's new campaign manager is really making his mark! I get all the campaign donation requests and can't believe how many I have received in the last couple of weeks; about every other day I am getting a mailing of some sort!

And those last two ads! WOW! - Brittany - Paris and now Moses - Looking at those clips of BO - It is apparent why he is coming off as arrogant. There is a fine line between confidence and arrogance. You can take it either way.... ! It all depends on what side of the fence you sit on.

Will this hurt or help McCain? Only time will tell.

One thing is for sure - Rick Davis isn't waiting around to find out. He jabs with his left and follows up with his right! Now that is change we can depend on!

[diesel96]

Originally Posted by wkmac

I'm listening to an interesting radio interview with Chalmers Johnson, former Cold-Warrior and CIA Analyst, done by Scott Horton of KAOS radio on Anti-War radio. You and maybe a couple more here I think might enjoy the interview about the Military Industrial Complex and the US gov't data mining. Scott also near the end gives a good explaination of why classical liberal/anarcho libertarian types are against what is called privatization under the umbrella of false label of free enterprise. Interview is about 20 minutes.

http://antiwar.com/radio/2008/07/29/chalmers-johnson-4/

Eye opening interview. when you here from first hand witnesses, this only cements the argument that we should all have a big problem with the transparencey of our Gov't's relationship morf-ing into a partnership with the private secter of the M I C and our inept Congress losing it's grip on constitutional practises granting "friendly fascism" immunity from procecution.
What this country needs is Statesman, not lifelong politicians. You do your first/second terms then go home. Turn over will reduce power, corruption and temptation berfore it's too late for we the common people to regain power, not just those of a few in high places.

Originally Posted by brazenbrown

I can't stop there's just too much he doesn't get!! God help us if he gets in!!

Obama's redistribution of wealth plan is already on the table..

Obama's emergency eocnomic plan

And he's serious!!

Brazen.....Shouldn't god help us NOW ? Why would you want more of the same McBush. We are at War and our sons and daughters are getting killed uneccessarily (not to mention innocent Iraq citizens) and our economy is in the toliet and our debt has weakening this country's dollar to compete globally. Redistributing the trillions we spend on war and the Military Ind Complex and rebuild our economy thru infrastructure and alternative energy is the only way to go.

Originally Posted by UPS Lifer

McCain's new campaign manager is really making his mark! I get all the campaign donation requests and can't believe how many I have received in the last couple of weeks; about every other day I am getting a mailing of some sort!

And those last two ads! WOW! - Brittany - Paris and now Moses - Looking at those clips of BO - It is apparent why he is coming off as arrogant. There is a fine line between confidence and arrogance. You can take it either way.... ! It all depends on what side of the fence you sit on.

Will this hurt or help McCain? Only time will tell.

One thing is for sure - Rick Davis isn't waiting around to find out. He jabs with his left and follows up with his right! Now that is change we can depend on!

Lifer...I'm surprised...I know he's your senator, but you approve those ads? Your smarter than that. Even many of your Rep big whigs are backing off those ads. No pun intended but aren't those ads directed at undecided, middle of the fence morons with small feeble little minds who need pictures and images to help them make an uniformed choice. Maybe we should supply crayons and big block voting cards for them to indicate their vote come election day. Admit it...since he goated Obama to go overseas, and the world witnessed it was a successful trip, McCain is coming across like Walter Matthau's character as a whiny grumpy old man.
Maybe Rick Davis can light a match under his protege's foot and get him to start talking about issue's, instead of the negative deflection attacks modeled after Carl Rove and the RNC smear machine. I didn't think a "Maverick" like Mccain had to stoop to employ the old Bush campaign staffers. A "follower" is more like it. When is the straight talk express going to resume?

[wkmac]

Originally Posted by diesel96

Eye opening interview. when you here from first hand witnesses, this only cements the argument that we should all have a big problem with the transparencey of our Gov't's relationship morf-ing into a partnership with the private secter of the M I C and our inept Congress losing it's grip on constitutional practises granting "friendly fascism" immunity from procecution.
What this country needs is Statesman, not lifelong politicians. You do your first/second terms then go home. Turn over will reduce power, corruption and temptation berfore it's too late for we the common people to regain power, not just those of a few in high places.

Good Points!

[brazenbrown]

Originally Posted by diesel96

Brazen.....Shouldn't god help us NOW ? Why would you want more of the same McBush. We are at War and our sons and daughters are getting killed uneccessarily (not to mention innocent Iraq citizens) and our economy is in the toliet and our debt has weakening this country's dollar to compete globally. Redistributing the trillions we spend on war and the Military Ind Complex and rebuild our economy thru infrastructure and alternative energy is the only way to go.

So in other words, your words, our sons and daughters have paid the highest price unnecessarily!

I'll walk over to my neighbors house right now, that'd be my neighbor who's son died in the war a couple of years ago, I'll tell him it was all for nothing, it was really just unnecessary as you say. I'll tell him the convictions that his son had for enlisting and fighting for ours and the Iraqi's freedom were misguided and that he should have told him to stay home.

Do you really think that turning a blind eye to an evil dictator and his regime who massacred thousands of their own people with a wide range of forms of torture, including the gouging out of eyes, severe beatings, and electric shocks etc etc is the right way to go??

Saddam has had approximately 40 of his own relatives murdered.

http://www.state.gov/p/nea/rls/19675.htm

Allegations of prostitution are used to intimidate opponents of the regime and have been used by the regime to justify the barbaric beheading of women. There have been documented chemical attacks by the regime, from 1983 to 1988, resulting in some 30,000 Iraqi and Iranian deaths. Human Rights Watch estimates that Saddam's 1987-1988 campaign of terror against the Kurds killed at least 50,000 and possibly as many as 100,000 Kurds.
The Iraqi regime used chemical agents to include mustard gas and nerve agents, WMD's I might add, in attacks against at least 40 Kurdish villages between 1987-1988. The largest was the attack on Halabja which resulted in approximately 5,000 deaths. 2,000 Kurdish villages were destroyed during the campaign of terror.
I remember reading reports of how they'd put people through shredder/chipper machines feet first....

But according to you it was all unnecessary. Each soldier's life is valuable and no one should have to go through the pain of losing a loved one. However, there is evil that exists in the world and for us not to act would make us just as evil for allowing it to happen.

I think stories like this, Bagdad sees tentative rebirth starting to come out of Iraq give people reassurance that we are doing the right thing. I know people like my neighbor and the many military families, brothers, sisters and parents need to hear that their loved ones did not die only to see us retreat before the job is done!

As for the world if Iraq continues to move in the direction of becoming a stabilized democracy, this part of the world will be a safer place. It will have been worth it. Yes the sacrifice is hard but the alternative IMHO is far worse!

Ronald Reagan once said:
'The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.'
and
'No arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is as formidable as the will and moral