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Old 10-04-2008, 07:29 PM   #51
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And one wonders why this is a discouraged topic of conversation at work . Also for the sake of everybody else, this is long, so PLEASE do not quote this post in it's entirety.

So does anybody ask "Why are labor Unions and Democrats usually good bedfellows?"

Well Hoaxter was close to it, it really goes back to the start of Unions in this country when Unions and Democrats were anti-immigration (to the extent of discriminating against Chinese workers at the turn of the century). Republicans and Big Business were in favor of immigration and as a result lined up. The lines have pretty much remained the same throughout the years.

Samuel Gompers, the founder of the American Federation of Labor, on the longest standing union organizations in the country, (The AFL part of the AFL-CIO) was a strong supporter of Democrats personally for these and other reasons.

There were a number of other unions that were radical and leaning socialistic, hence the near demise of the labor Unions during the McCarthy days because of the Communist Witch hunts going on in our country.

Mike's logic on Hoaxter being a racist for not supporting Obama is an interesting one. Who emancipated the slaves? A Democrat or Republican? Which party had a higher percentage of votes for Civil Rights legislation, despite being in the Minority during the 60's? I'll give you a hint; it was the Republicans with generally 20% higher votes in favor of Civil Rights legislations than the Democrats, despite being in the minority.

Fast-forward to 2008. The economy is in the tank, believe it or not, this has not so much to do with President George W. Bush and a lot more to do with policies enacted by people like Alan Greenspan, who Bush kept around for a fifth term as Chairman of the Federal Reserve.

The Dot.com bust, 9/11, Enron (which resulted in Sarbanes-Oxley) and a number of other events have also contributed to the current economic situation.

Bush is not innocent here people, he then appointed people like Ben Bernanke, and Henry Paulson. This in part led to the rise and fall of sub-prime mortgages. He also has not been fiscally conservative, in part because of our conflicts and commitments abroad.

Bush’s position towards the bailout is further left of the Party's platform in this area, which typically lends towards Free Market Principles and ideals. A let the market fix itself ideal. The party platform does not jive with the bailout proposal. That's why there were more Republicans opposing it than Democrats. It finally only passed after adding another $100 Billion in pork barrel spending and folks on both sides of the aisles calling those who voted 'NO' and telling them to vote 'YES'.

What does all this have to do with Labor Unions? A fiscally conservative President is a GOOD THING FOR LABOR UNIONS. They generate jobs, get rid of big government (and big brother who regulates to the hilt), look to stimulate economic growth through tax cuts and encourage businesses to stay in the United States.

So what about John McCain? Well the good Senator has said it himself; he is a "Maverick" from the party. He is considered by many to be a moderate, not necessarily fiscally or socially conservative.

So would John McCain be good for Big Labor? Not necessarily. Would Barak Obama, a Democrat, be good for Big Labor? At this point, I'm not sure either. He seems to be looking to reduce the size of the National Debt and the number of Government Employees, is looking to rescind trade agreements with other countries, but at the same time was also in favor of the bailout and additional regulation across the board.

So is either candidate a really great person to have? Not really. Do I understand why the Teamsters waited this long? It's better to have the party you've also been in bed with than to have somebody you don't really know to support.

This is going to be an interesting election for sure.
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Old 10-04-2008, 08:38 PM   #53
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I dont understand Drewed? How is Obama going to ruin the country when its holding on to its last breath now. Hes talking about rewarding companys for staying here in the U.S. Hes also saying hes going to give the middle class a tax break and increase the taxes on the rich.
First he will let the bush cuts expire which will actually raise taxes on the lower and middle class .

then he will jack up the taxes on all while claiming its only the rich. he will use smoke and mirrors to lead you to believe your taxes were lowered.

Once done jacking up the various taxes he will choke and stifle the ecconomy creating further financial hardship.

He will weaken our military as clinton did leaving us wide open for another 9/11

If you remember 9/11 had a catostrophic effect on our economy.

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You forgot weakened our intelligence agencies and military creating the conditions that allowed 9/11 to happen.

Weakened the financing laws creating the conditions that allowed our present finance crisis to occur.

How about actively engaged in sexual harrassment?

how about desecrated the oval office by engaging in extra marital affairs with a subordinate?
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9/11 happened on retards watch
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The only reason mcsame is getting all of the religious nut balls votes is because of abortion.. There is alot more at stake than this single issue...
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I got the Teamster democratic propaganda magazine a couple days ago. On page 2 they talk about the Washington state gubernatoral race. How the republican canidate fought dirty in 2004. But fail to mention how the democrates stole the election by having three recounts until they won. On the third recount they could "evaluate voter intent and correct" previously rejected ballots and counted ballots with improper signatures. They even had deceased people voting in the biggest voter fraud I've ever seen.
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I got the Teamster democratic propaganda magazine a couple days ago. On page 2 they talk about the Washington state gubernatoral race. How the republican canidate fought dirty in 2004. But fail to mention how the democrates stole the election by having three recounts until they won. On the third recount they could "evaluate voter intent and correct" previously rejected ballots and counted ballots with improper signatures. They even had deceased people voting in the biggest voter fraud I've ever seen.
I have a feeling things are going to see much worse when this election is so called over with. We probably won't know who won until December.
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Mike, you ignorant slut ...
OMFG! LMAO! I wonder how many people here know what that is from. Absolutely hilarious Hoax. You may not be as "out of the loop" as mike would have us believe.
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9/11 happened on retards watch
......everything leading up to it happened on CLINTON'S watch.
Why does it always turn into a Bush bashing session?
This post was about the Teamsters doing what they always do. Support the Dem. party IE Osama.....ooops, I mean Obama....damn typos.
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OMFG! LMAO! I wonder how many people here know what that is from. Absolutely hilarious Hoax. You may not be as "out of the loop" as mike would have us believe.

Saturday Night Live (Chevy Chase to Jane Curtain) back when SNL actually mattered (although I will admit that Tina Fey's depiction of Sarah Palin is dead on and funny as hell).
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......everything leading up to it happened on CLINTON'S watch.
Why does it always turn into a Bush bashing session?
This post was about the Teamsters doing what they always do. Support the Dem. party IE Osama.....ooops, I mean Obama....damn typos.
Yeah the Bush bashing is getting old. Is he running for president again? Didn't think so.
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9/11 happened on retards watch
By retard I guess you mean G.W.Bush, in that case you are correct that 9/11 happened during his watch. 8 months into his watch to be more accurate. Bush was still having to rely mostly on data gathered during Clinton's 8 YEARS.
Data that included:

1993
Feb. 26, New York City: bomb exploded in basement garage of World Trade Center, killing 6 and injuring at least 1,040 others. In 1995, militant Islamist Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman and 9 others were convicted of conspiracy charges, and in 1998, Ramzi Yousef, believed to have been the mastermind, was convicted of the bombing. Al-Qaeda involvement is suspected.
1995
Nov. 13, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: car bomb exploded at U.S. military headquarters, killing 5 U.S. military servicemen.
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June 25, Dhahran, Saudi Arabia: truck bomb exploded outside Khobar Towers military complex, killing 19 American servicemen and injuring hundreds of others. 13 Saudis and a Lebanese, all alleged members of Islamic militant group Hezbollah, were indicted on charges relating to the attack in June 2001.
1998
Aug. 7, Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania: truck bombs exploded almost simultaneously near 2 U.S. embassies, killing 224 (213 in Kenya and 11 in Tanzania) and injuring about 4,500. 4 men connected with al-Qaeda 2 of whom had received training at al-Qaeda camps inside Afghanistan, were convicted of the killings in May 2001 and later sentenced to life in prison. A federal grand jury had indicted 22 men in connection with the attacks, including Saudi dissident Osama bin Laden, who remained at large.
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Oct. 12, Aden, Yemen: U.S. Navy destroyer USS Cole heavily damaged when a small boat loaded with explosives blew up alongside it. 17 sailors killed. Linked to Osama bin Laden, or members of al-Qaeda terrorist network.
2001
Sept. 11, New York City, Arlington, Va., and Shanksville, Pa.: hijackers crashed 2 commercial jets into twin towers of World Trade Center; 2 more hijacked jets were crashed into the Pentagon and a field in rural Pa. Total dead and missing numbered 2,9921: 2,749 in New York City, 184 at the Pentagon, 40 in Pa., and 19 hijackers. Islamic al-Qaeda terrorist group blamed. (See September 11, 2001: Timeline of Terrorism.)


All of which went unanswered during Clinton's watch. As did the OK City bombing when reports and witness accounts show McYeigh had connections with possible terrorists from the middle east were swept under the rugs. ALL DURING "loverboy's watch"
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Just a difference in opinion here. I'm not convinced that SNL ever mattered.
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History has proven time and time again that you can not tax your way to prosperity. One thing you can count on though, if Obama is elected he's gonna try it one more time.
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History has proven time and time again that you can not tax your way to prosperity. One thing you can count on though, if Obama is elected he's gonna try it one more time.
I'm fearful and quite sure that Obama will be elected. Mostly due to the fact the that general public is misinformed about Obama and is only relying on bumper sticker politics and the ability of liberals to use emotion and lies to convince said public that he is the better candidate. One thing I do take comfort in knowing is that if is elected he will probably be a one term president. The general public will wake up and realize that the brand of extreme liberalism that Obama will bring to the White House should be kept out of office.
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What I find most interesting about Big 0 is that since his political career began he has been extreme left wing liberal. Yet once he got into the Presidential race (primaries) he has switched more to the center in his speeches and promises. The man is still and always will be an extremist at his core. He will drift back to what he has always stood for, to what he truly is.
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I heard Obama talking about rallying all these young people to do volunteer work in hospitals and other public areas of life. How the heck do unions who want jobs for paid union workers, back a guy who wants to promote young people doing volunteer work in exchange for college tuition credits? Where is the nurses union when your candidate starts talking that way? Or, do you already know he is totally full of it? That "chicken in every pot" angle is nothing new.
SENDAGAIN, That's a lame excuse to not VOTE for OBAMA, Everyone knows OBAMA is talking about the youth giving back to the community in exchange for college tuition so the government doesn't have to pay for every little thing.

Give me a break.
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