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Originally Posted by soberups  I am somewhat of a libertarian; to a large extent I feel that we should have the freedom to choose what we put into our bodies.
I also feel, however, that there are substances such as cocaine, meth and heroin that are so immediately addictive that there is really no such thing as a free choice. These substances are flat out toxic.
I would put marijuana in the same category as alcohol; it is potentially harmful but for many people it can be used and enjoyed in moderation. It should be legalized and taxed, with the proceeds used to fund rehabilitaton programs.
I have yet to meet or hear of anyone who could use cocaine, crack, meth or heroin in moderation.
For my part, there is no such thing as moderation. I am a full-blown alcoholic, so my only two options are being drunk every day or to be clean and sober and in recovery. For the last 12 years I have chosen to be clean and sober one day at a time. | Congrat Sober. Glad you're on the right path, which is not an easy one. | 
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Originally Posted by stevetheupsguy LOL, sorry, got carried away and used grouping.  | I believe STUG would make a good candidate in the next election!
He'd outlaw Dreadlocks and Tattoos?!?!
Just joshin with ya Steve. But seriously, society decayed a long time ago, I'm just trying to figure out why they outlawed it to begin with, it doesn't kill people, doesn't send you into a fit of rage and according to people here, it makes pot smokers drive like a granny. Where is the law being broken?? What is the actual harm being done here??Do we really care what people do in the privacy of their own homes (as long as no one is getting hurt)? | |
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I am not going to justify using any narcotics, medicinal or not. For the record I don't believe in the use of marijuana for recreational purposes. But I just don't care if others do. As for what drug use does to society, look at it positively, while these people are wasting their lives getting high, we can step over them to a more fulfilling life. Less competition!
Sorry Steve, I just think Ryan has the right idea here.
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Originally Posted by MikeTbob I believe STUG would make a good candidate in the next election!
He'd outlaw Dreadlocks and Tattoos?!?!
Just joshin with ya Steve. But seriously, society decayed a long time ago, I'm just trying to figure out why they outlawed it to begin with, it doesn't kill people, doesn't send you into a fit of rage and according to people here, it makes pot smokers drive like a granny. Where is the law being broken?? What is the actual harm being done here??Do we really care what people do in the privacy of their own homes (as long as no one is getting hurt)? | I understand what you're saying, Mike, but there really is harm. If someone "needs" something, aside from the much needed air we breath, food we eat, and stuff we drink to live, I think that's a problem, and that problem would be called, dependency. This is beyond the privacy of ones own home, slammed right into the middle of society. I believe that no good can come from this. MHO! | |
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Originally Posted by stevetheupsguy I understand what you're saying, Mike, but there really is harm. If someone "needs" something, aside from the much needed air we breath, food we eat, and stuff we drink to live, I think that's a problem, and that problem would be called, dependency. This is beyond the privacy of ones own home, slammed right into the middle of society. I believe that no good can come from this. MHO! |
With all due respect Steve, and I do respect ya bro......I disagree....that route has been traveled before.
People *should* still have the rights to arm bears, tip cows and just yell at the neighbors for fun.
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Originally Posted by stevetheupsguy If someone "needs" something, aside from the much needed air we breath, food we eat, and stuff we drink to live, I think that's a problem, and that problem would be called, dependency. | You mean like a cell phone camera?
Some people I know have a dependency problem then! Not going to mention names.
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Originally Posted by MikeTbob With all due respect Steve, and I do respect ya bro......I disagree....that route has been traveled before. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totalitarianism
People *should* still have the rights to arm bears, tip cows and just yell at the neighbors for fun. | If this is how you view the legalization of marijuana, I can see how you feel. I've grown up in a different way, I guess, so I see things a bit differently. ATD. Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoaxster You mean like a cell phone camera?
Some people I know have a dependency problem then! Not going to mention names. | For the last time, I don't have a cell phone, can't stand em. I use an honest to goodness digital camera, and I have been seen without it. 
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Originally Posted by stevetheupsguy For the last time, I don't have a cell phone, can't stand em. I use an honest to goodness digital camera, and I have been seen without it.
Here's what mine looks like. Now you can show me yours, Hoax. | That makes sense ... your pix are always very good and crisp (as opposed to sober's).
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I was going to highlight the parts I disagreed with, but decided I disagree with all of this. The problem with you young people, is that you don't look at what the consequences of your actions would be down the road. Why don't you sit down and think about the things you've posted. Think about them honestly and get back here and post your conclusion. You may want to sober up before you start your thought process.
| My conclusion, and where I disagree with you is this. Maybe I think about what the consequences of my actions would be down the road, maybe I don't. Regardless, you (government) have no right to decide weather or not I get to experience those consequences, as long as my actions do not harm someone else. Especially, as in this case, when the consequences of an action (Marijuana) have little to no factual consequences. | |
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Originally Posted by Ryan1984 My conclusion, and where I disagree with you is this. Maybe I think about what the consequences of my actions would be down the road, maybe I don't. Regardless, you (government) have no right to decide weather or not I get to experience those consequences, as long as my actions do not harm someone else. Especially, as in this case, when the consequences of an action (Marijuana) have little to no factual consequences. | Agreed. The burden of proof should always be on the people that are attempting to criminalize or otherwise limit a behavior to show conclusively that failure to do so will have catastrophic consequences for society at large which outweigh the right of an individual to exercise his/her free will by engaging in that behavior. The exercise of free will, on the other hand, should require no such burden of proof. It should be the default position in any truly free society.
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Maybe the best idea, would be to just de-criminalize it. Make it just like a parking ticket. No courts, and no lifetime membership into the criminal world. | |
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Originally Posted by Ryan1984 My conclusion, and where I disagree with you is this. Maybe I think about what the consequences of my actions would be down the road, maybe I don't. Regardless, you (government) have no right to decide weather or not I get to experience those consequences, as long as my actions do not harm someone else. Especially, as in this case, when the consequences of an action (Marijuana) have little to no factual consequences. | On the contrary, Ryan, if it is illegal, and it is, you're not allowed to do it outside on the street, or in the quiet privacy of your own home, so says the government, who say, it's illegal. You can't pick and choose which laws you will obey/disobey. I disagree with this statement as well. Sound like you're debating about the legalization of something that has absolutely no health benefit to the user. Why do you feel so strongly about this? How can you say that there is no consequence for those that use marijuana? Have you done a study on this? I suggest you do some more research, before you approve of something like this. As I said before, what about your children, family and friends? Would you stop smoking so you could work? Would smoking and driving be against the law and if so why, if there is no obvious consequence? These are the little thoughts that come to mind when I hear about people wanting to legalize anything of this nature. And for those that say, well it's natural, why would it be there if we weren't supposed to use it? Tree bark and dog feces are also natural, and I don't hear about anyone smoking that stuff. | |
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Originally Posted by Jones Agreed. The burden of proof should always be on the people that are attempting to criminalize or otherwise limit a behavior to show conclusively that failure to do so will have catastrophic consequences for society at large which outweigh the right of an individual to exercise his/her free will by engaging in that behavior. The exercise of free will, on the other hand, should require no such burden of proof. It should be the default position in any truly free society. | Who would be using free will? People that are smoking the mind altering drug? Wouldn't that interfere with the decision making process? What about the people that lack common sense or make bad decisions to start with? Since not everyone is of the same mind, wouldn't this idea be a curse to some people, while seemingly, not affecting others? I'm just curious about these things. | |
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Originally Posted by stevetheupsguy Who would be using free will? People that are smoking the mind altering drug? | Yes Quote:
Originally Posted by stevetheupsguy Wouldn't that interfere with the decision making process? | Quite possibly. So? Quote:
Originally Posted by stevetheupsguy What about the people that lack common sense or make bad decisions to start with? | What about them? Are you saying we need a special law for every person who "might" make a bad decision? Quote:
Originally Posted by stevetheupsguy Since not everyone is of the same mind, wouldn't this idea be a curse to some people, while seemingly, not affecting others? I'm just curious about these things. | Since not everyone is of the same mind, why are we making laws to try and force everyone to act the same? Should we criminalize every behavior that you personally don't agree with? On what grounds? If you have read or know of a creditable study which demonstrates conclusively that marijuana use is so catastrophic in it's consequences to society as a whole that our only recourse is to criminalize it and spend billions of taxpayer dollars in a never ending "war on drugs", in addition to locking up thousands of otherwise law abiding citizens for the terrible crime of smoking a plant, I would love to see it.
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Originally Posted by stevetheupsguy On the contrary, Ryan, if it is illegal, and it is, you're not allowed to do it outside on the street, or in the quiet privacy of your own home, so says the government, who say, it's illegal. You can't pick and choose which laws you will obey/disobey. | Here we go again. I never said it was legal. In fact, this whole discussion has been about why it should/not be illegal. Furthermore, you're comment just backs up my point. " so says the government, who say, it's illegal" It's illegal just because they say it's illegal. Why? For what legitimate reasons? And just to be a smart a** yes, I can pick and choose which laws to obey or disobey, doesn't mean I don't have to deal with the consequences of those laws. Quote:
Originally Posted by stevetheupsguy I disagree with this statement as well. Sound like you're debating about the legalization of something that has absolutely no health benefit to the user. Why do you feel so strongly about this? How can you say that there is no consequence for those that use marijuana? Have you done a study on this? I suggest you do some more research, before you approve of something like this. | I could go on all day with this one. Tackling the short point first, No I have not done a study on this. Have you? What gives you the right any more than I to debate this then? Right...
Now, lots of things are legal that have no health benefit. The obvious here would be: Give me the health benefits of tobacco and alcohol. But getting away from those two, how about fried food, McDonalds, Candy, Fats, Oils, I could go on and on with food. Where's the health benefit in driving? Much healthier to walk. Outlaw 'em all I say!
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Originally Posted by stevetheupsguy As I said before, what about your children, family and friends? Would you stop smoking so you could work? Would smoking and driving be against the law and if so why, if there is no obvious consequence? These are the little thoughts that come to mind when I hear about people wanting to legalize anything of this nature. | This is one of my pet peeves with the whole subject. No, I would not smoke while working just as I would not drink. You're analyzing way too much here. Yes, it impairs you. If it did not, there would be no point in using it.The original point I was making is so does alcohol, but Marijuana does it to a lesser degree.
Anyway, speaking about the whole thing while working, there is something I do want to mention. The hair follicle tests they are doing know to test for Marijuana are utterly ridiculous. They go back months. Weed, like alcohol, loses its effect hours after consumed. To deny someone a job, or cause someone to lose a job because of exposure taking place months before, which has absolutley no effect on what was happening when the test was taken, well...That's what should be illegal. Quote:
Originally Posted by stevetheupsguy And for those that say, well it's natural, why would it be there if we weren't supposed to use it? Tree bark and dog feces are also natural, and I don't hear about anyone smoking that stuff. | I don't quite understand this. I've never heard that arguement for it before.
Anyway, I do like a nice heated debate. Now, if only more people in Washington would debate like this, maybe this country could get it's head out of its behind. | |
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Originally Posted by stevetheupsguy ... and dog feces are also natural, and I don't hear about anyone smoking that stuff. | Seems like I remember Cheech always taking about smoking some good cheet.
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Originally Posted by Hoaxster Seems like I remember Cheech always taking about smoking some good cheet. | Now that you mention it, I think I recall they actually did smoke some in Up In Smoke. But I'm not sure; it's been a while. | |
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Originally Posted by Ryan1984 Anyway, I do like a nice heated debate. Now, if only more people in Washington would debate like this, maybe this country could get it's head out of its behind. |
They'd lose all those millions of dollars and be out of a job! ('Doh) | |
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Originally Posted by Hoaxster Pot smokers will be easy to spot ... they'll be the ones going 40 mph on the Interstate. | And in complete panic and fear screaming SLOW DOWN! SLOW DOWN! You're gonna get us killed!!!!!!!!
Good comical point Hoax.
Along the same line of driving stoned, several years ago Volkswagon came out with a Jetta commercial that my wife and I said whoever did this smoked weed at some point.
I always loved that commercial because it reminded me of "WAY BACK in the day!" I always think of Wishbone Ash "Argus" on the 8-Track, cruising the back,country roads (now city roads  ) and knocking a dent in a fresh OZ and a pack of ZigZag papers!
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[QUOTE=stevetheupsguy;502802]Good, then maybe they'll legalize prostitution, armed robbery and murder. I can't wait.
I don't know where you got those ideas from my post but okay. I also don't judge people because they have tattoos and dreadlocks. Thank god you are not a cop because I think you might get caught up in profiling... | |
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Originally Posted by Jones Yes
Quite possibly. So?
What about them? Are you saying we need a special law for every person who "might" make a bad decision?
Since not everyone is of the same mind, why are we making laws to try and force everyone to act the same? Should we criminalize every behavior that you personally don't agree with? On what grounds? If you have read or know of a creditable study which demonstrates conclusively that marijuana use is so catastrophic in it's consequences to society as a whole that our only recourse is to criminalize it and spend billions of taxpayer dollars in a never ending "war on drugs", in addition to locking up thousands of otherwise law abiding citizens for the terrible crime of smoking a plant, I would love to see it. | Jonesy,
You just can't stop using rational logic can you?
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Originally Posted by Jones Since not everyone is of the same mind, why are we making laws to try and force everyone to act the same? | For just that reason. Since everyone isn't of the same mind, we need a standard that everyone can abide by. Without these laws/rules there would be lawlessness and chaos. The law simply states the governing body's standard of right and wrong. Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan1984 It's illegal just because they say it's illegal. Why? For what legitimate reasons?. | For the same reason I stated above. Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan1984 And just to be a smart a** yes, I can pick and choose which laws to obey or disobey, doesn't mean I don't have to deal with the consequences of those laws.. | Agreed! Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan1984 I could go on all day with this one. Tackling the short point first, No I have not done a study on this. Have you? What gives you the right any more than I to debate this then? Right.... | I have tons of personal experience in this area, no Phd, but experience, nevertheless. Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan1984 Now, lots of things are legal that have no health benefit. The obvious here would be: Give me the health benefits of tobacco and alcohol. But getting away from those two, how about fried food, McDonalds, Candy, Fats, Oils, I could go on and on with food. Where's the health benefit in driving? Much healthier to walk. Outlaw 'em all I say! What I would question you, is what are the health risks vs alcohol. Which is worse, because it can be assumed that they would both be used the same.. | That's a huge segue, to draw attention away from the fact that marijuana is a drug, as is alcohol, and equally addicting. I guess we could say that all of the above things, are things that can be chosen, so choose wisely. On the other hand, the law was established so that you wouldn't have to make marijuana any of your choices. Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan1984 This is one of my pet peeves with the whole subject. No, I would not smoke while working just as I would not drink. You're analyzing way too much here. Yes, it impairs you. If it did not, there would be no point in using it.The original point I was making is so does alcohol, but Marijuana does it to a lesser degree.. | Am I analyzing too much? Why do you feel the need to be impaired, whether it's drugs or alcohol. Is there something in our lives that is broken and needs to be fixed? Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan1984 Anyway, I do like a nice heated debate. | Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan1984 Now, if only more people in Washington would debate like this, maybe this country could get it's head out of its behind. | I'll debate you, but there's no heat here. Just giving you MHO. Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan1984 Now that you mention it, I think I recall they actually did smoke some in Up In Smoke. But I'm not sure; it's been a while. | Short term memory loss? Quote:
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Originally Posted by wkmac Along the same line of driving stoned, several years ago Volkswagon came out with a Jetta commercial that my wife and I said whoever did this smoked weed at some point. | wkmac, the song, if you want to search for it, is Jung at Heart by Master Cylinder. I like to listen to it when I am driving, but of course without being under the influence  .
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Cool, and lets bring our laptops like they do at Starbucks and pretend to be important people....lol http://www.oaksterdamuniversity.com/ Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoaxster Same for the state of Kentucky and many parts of Appalachia. At least it was 4 - 5 years ago. | Can you imagine.....Kentucky burbon and weed stilled and grown on the same property....you'll never have to leave the house. Quote:
Originally Posted by wkmac Sammie,
My guess, if you joined Dez in a reefer bar to settle your differences, the outcome would most likely be very peaceful. Typically marijuana induces a state of contentment or in other words, you're to stoned to give a schitt .
That was another fear of society planners that a society allowed the free and open use of this drug would devolve into an undriven, uncaring and unmotivated society. How can you build an empire when the self interests of the individual is to roll play Cheech and Chong!
By the time you and Dez knocked the better part of a dimebag out, (RIP Dimebag Darrell) you'd probably be the best of BUDS! | I'd have Sammie wearing a "Make Love Not War" T-shirt by the time we walked, no stumbled out of the reefer bar....lol Quote:
Originally Posted by stevetheupsguy Just because something is legal, doesn't make it right. Think about this when your kids say, I'm going to the store to get some Pot. There is no benefit to the user whatsoever. Just because it makes you mellow, and not a mad person, that makes it okay? I know plenty of funny drunks. I guess you'll, not just you JJJ, but all those in favor of legalization, just add this to the list of drugs that people "need" in order to live, cope, deal with life.
Whatever happened to living life as it is? Why do I need to smoke pot, drink alcohol, do narcotics, take Prozac, xanax, get tattooed, grow dreadlocks? Don't you know that all of this stuff leads to the eventual disaster of society? People will be high at work. People will smoke pot in the car with their kids, like they do cigarettes. Where will it all end? It's a slippery slope, that need not be traversed. JMHO, as always.
I was going to highlight the parts I disagreed with, but decided I disagree with all of this. The problem with you young people, is that you don't look at what the consequences of your actions would be down the road. Why don't you sit down and think about the things you've posted. Think about them honestly and get back here and post your conclusion. You may want to sober up before you start your thought process. | We do the best we can as parents to educate our kids to make smart choices. Best choices of course is to stay on the straight and narrow. But you know breathing air can be harmful if exposed to certain airborne carcinogens. Then, there are activities without a Doctors note
such as alcohol, tabacco, pot, houka that reduce stress, calm nerves, soothes, and unwinds, but only if experienced with moderation. If one suffers from an addictive personality than maybe one shouldn't partake in such activities. But as long as one is not bothering anybody and is still productive and responsible at home, around kids, and at work, I see no harm.
And if my kid told me he's going to the store to by pot, my answer would be, thx for being honest with me. At least he's not doing it behind my back. Then he would say " Do you want me to pick up a pack of smokes and a bottle of rum for you Dad?.... Quote:
Originally Posted by Sammie Wkmac, When did you take up mind reading? My sentiments exactly. But I somehow don't visualize Dez as a cherisher of the sacred herb... Been wrong before, tho. He may well leave that reefer bar wailing out "We are familee! Get up everybody and SING!" | "We are familee.....I got all my brothers and me!" 
My Class A CDL is a real party pooper... 
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