Gov healthcare

[tourists24]

Originally Posted by klein

Thanks DS ! Yeah, I even talked to Austrailiens (yes, like the rest of the western world, they have national healthcare, too). For them, I think $250 Aus Dollars ($200US). is deductable... So, basically, once that runs out, it's totally covered by the Goverment. If you don't use it at all, you don't pay anything that year. And to remind you, us "trolls" have the 75% supply of icetops (for catscans), in the world, We supply you and most of Europe and the rest of the world. Canadians are also the inventors of penicellin and insulin. And my city here (Edmonton) has now become the newest and best cancer treatment center in NorthAmerica. (it's brand spanky new, might not be on google yet, but yes, some American and European specialist have been chosen to work here, to make it the best). Did I forget to mention , it's free ? if your Canadian ?

Icetops??? that's funny,,, never heard that before

[tourists24]

Originally Posted by klein

You also need metric system ! Everything is metric, your space program, the ml, and miligrams of medication you get.
Get with the rest of the world finally ! And that includes National Healthcare !

what's the matter klein....? afraid of a little math?

[klein]

I don't know how to spell it... but it's called or pronouced Ice -i tops. Its from a medical nuclear reactor. They need them for cat scans, and other medical machines that do scans. there are only 4 reactors in the world. One in eastern Canada (the largest), another in Holland... and I don't recall the other 2, maybe France has one.

As for the math, to the other posting... no we don't need the math, you guys at NASA calcukate your math, and so do your pharmacies, and hospitals, to have everything in metric, to have the perfect calcualtions done, for a perfect launch, or perfect heatlthcare service. Unless you guys get pills in ounzes (legal ones I mean).

[av8torntn]

Originally Posted by DS

Like klein said,its nice to be able to walk in to a walk in clinic,or your family doctor,and get treated for free..
jmo

So kindly explain this free part. Are you saying all medical people work for free. How do clinics operate for free? Do they not consume energy for even electricity. Is everyone involved in the system a volunteer? If this is true it is no wonder our system is so much better than your guys system. I have great interest in how your government manages to get people to put in the effort to make it through medical school and then work for free. I am also curious how your medical machines operate without the consumption of power (ct, mri, xray, ect.). Is is magic? Even if the energy required to operate these machines were stolen there would be some cost which makes your guys free claim very curious. How do you guys get the clinics built for free? I could use a free house or two so please share this information as well.

My guess is that all these free health care claims you guys are making are false. From what I can tell you guys get substandard care. I believe even your highest courts ruled this way and you even admited as much in your first post in this thread. I fully understand that our current Government wants to drag our health care system down to the level of that in Canada but hopefully we will not in the end allow this to happen.

[av8torntn]

Originally Posted by klein

Canadians are also the inventors of penicellin Did I forget to mention , it's free ?

You sure about that? I'm not, but would like to know how you get something for free or do you just force someone else to pay your way because you do not have the drive to provide for yourself?

[brett636]

Originally Posted by klein

Well, here is a Canadian. But, thinking you don't have to have national healthcare like ours (even though it's proven to be the worlds best).
But, did you Americans know, you're the only country in the enetire western world, that doesn't have national healthcare ????
That is soo stupid !
People lose homes, lose lives, because they have no insurance.
Walk in clinics, they are open almost 24 hrs a day here. I can go in , anytime. No charge.

You americans need healthcare reform. The working don't want it, ofcourse not, company pays for it. But, wait , where does the company get the money from ? - Think of that... everyone pays for it.

You also need metric system ! Everything is metric, your space program, the ml, and miligrams of medication you get.
Get with the rest of the world finally ! And that includes National Healthcare !

So when you get seriously ill and you need to see a specialist do they have those on hand in those 24 hour clinics? I thought not. Its too bad so many Canadians die while waiting for your great healthcare system to kick in.

[Jones]

Originally Posted by klein

I don't know how to spell it... but it's called or pronouced Ice -i tops. Its from a medical nuclear reactor. They need them for cat scans, and other medical machines that do scans. there are only 4 reactors in the world. One in eastern Canada (the largest), another in Holland... and I don't recall the other 2, maybe France has one.

As for the math, to the other posting... no we don't need the math, you guys at NASA calcukate your math, and so do your pharmacies, and hospitals, to have everything in metric, to have the perfect calcualtions done, for a perfect launch, or perfect heatlthcare service. Unless you guys get pills in ounzes (legal ones I mean).

Isotopes

[wkmac]

How Medical Boards Nationalized Health Care

[klein]

That is totally not true. We don't die for waiting for healthcare services. Yes, it happens, if your falshly diagnosed and they put you on a waiting list, because they think it's not serious. Other then that, we have "stars air ambulances" helicopters that come to an accident scene, if your seriously hurt. Who pays for this, we all do ! Our taxes, income taxes, and surtaxes esspecially on alcohol and cigarettes ($20 a 6pack and over $11.00 for a pack of smokes), because those 2 items contribute to higher healthcare costs.
And no, I can take care of myself very well. My $400.000 home is paid off, I'm debt free. Only need to pay utilities, cable and phone, to get thru every month.

[tourists24]

[quote=klein;568810]

Who pays for this, we all do ! Our taxes, income taxes, and surtaxes esspecially on alcohol and cigarettes ($20 a 6pack and over $11.00 for a pack of smokes), because those 2 items contribute to higher healthcare costs.

So your healthcare isnt actually free then is it?

And no, I can take care of myself very well.

actually no you dont when it comes to healthcare. You HAVE to rely on government

[klein]

No, these docs and factilities don't work for free ! Either do they in Europe, or any other westernize country where national healthcare is in place. I lived in Germany as well for 14 years (as I am a german-canadian citizen), there too, they have a national healthcare system. The Americans are the only ones without one, besides African nations, and perhaps a few asian nations.
We all pay national healthcare thru taxes.
Yes, we had some court cases, because some doctors want to get together, and operate a private clinic. Thats against the law, here, since every single Canadian shoudl be treated equally in regards of healthcare. The general public wants healthcare to be the same regardless of having or not having money.
I do admit, for some treatments, people with money here, don't want to wait... they go to the States, to get treated.
But, it's not a dying issue ! They are definilty healthy enough to travel there.
Thats is thier choice (they got money). And yes, that makes news here, and ofcourse in the states.
On the other hand, how mnay US citizens die, because they don't have insurance ? How many people lose house and home, because of a serious illness ?
That doesn't happen here !
In September, all of us will be geeting the H1N1 flu vaccacine. Totally free.
Thats how much we care for our citizens. In the states, it will only be provided for those with insurance or money. The rest can get sick.
And you guys seem to want that.
I give up.

[tourists24]

Originally Posted by klein

Why would doctors want to do this? and why would people with more money want to come to our healthcare system if the Canadian system works so well? what would motivate them to do this?

Again, even if you have the money, why would you need to come here if the Canadian system is a better way? Could it be that they get better treatment here?

they die because they dont have insurance? how's that? there are places a person can go if they are that sick you know

You really think that just because people who dont want the GOVERNMENT running our healthcare that we want people dying and getting sick?

[klein]

You know, there was just a nice news report over amicans debating national Healthcare.... Kinda like in this ending: What we take for granted... The Americans are fighting over it.
To rely on govermant for my heathcare ?: I got no other choice, thats how our system works. I can get extra coverage though, for like having my own sperate room in a hospital, and I had that for many years. But gave up on that. I don't mind sharing a room with others, atleast someone to chat with.
We do pay extra for telephone and TV in hospitals, thats about it.
The problem in the states, is, the working people that have free insurance (thru the company), don't want others to get it for free, as well. (and eventually pay for it).
What if UPS lays you off tomorrow ? Who do you rely on, regarding healthcare...??????
The goverment will always be here for me, for my lifetime.... (and I pay my fair share, since I'm a productive citizen)

[Baba gounj]

This gov't plan is only about control, not a persons health.
Read the fine print.
The gov't will be given access to everyone personal records and financial accounts. Those that require more services will be consulted on life ending methods. Getting second opinions will end. Some civil servant will make all your decisions for you.
Welcome to Obamacare.

[tourists24]

Originally Posted by klein

You know, there was just a nice news report over amicans debating national Healthcare.... Kinda like in this ending: What we take for granted... The Americans are fighting over it.
To rely on govermant for my heathcare ?: I got no other choice, thats how our system works. I can get extra coverage though, for like having my own sperate room in a hospital, and I had that for many years. But gave up on that. I don't mind sharing a room with others, atleast someone to chat with.
We do pay extra for telephone and TV in hospitals, thats about it.
The problem in the states, is, the working people that have free insurance (thru the company), don't want others to get it for free, as well. (and eventually pay for it).
What if UPS lays you off tomorrow ? Who do you rely on, regarding healthcare...??????
The goverment will always be here for me, for my lifetime.... (and I pay my fair share, since I'm a productive citizen)

I am particularly interested in that last sentence.... "the government will be there for me"..... really? And you are correct if UPS lays me off... it is a scary thought. But guess what? I will then have to go out and find something that can work for me and my family.... I WILL have that choice, you dont. It is tough but can be done. A lot of the arguements stem from just that; keeping government OUT of our lives and let us choose our on path..... It's called FREEDOM

[klein]

Why some doctors want private clinics... simple : they only get paid $30 from the goverment for a patient visit. Thats not enough.
Hospitals and facilties are spreded thru out the world, and yes, some american institutes, are totally specialized in a certain illness. If you have money, sure, go to the best.
On the other hand, americans flock here for some healthcare services as well, Like stemcell research..... it's forbidden in the states.... Micheal J Fox came back home for stem cell treatment, and is asking the american goverment to implement it as well. But, it's on death ears.
Depends what you need, I guess. Enough money in your pocket will get anything you need, maybe even a clone of yourself ! Anmd people can travel and pay, wherever the best clinic in the world may be.
Why do rich amercians pay millions to go up into space, thru Russia ? The list goes on.

[pickup]

Originally Posted by ajblakejr

and in the end we will all eat the same food.....Soylent Green.

but soylent green is ......people!

[pickup]

Originally Posted by klein

Well, here is a Canadian. But, thinking you don't have to have national healthcare like ours (even though it's proven to be the worlds best).
But, did you Americans know, you're the only country in the enetire western world, that doesn't have national healthcare ????
That is soo stupid ! As stupid as having a beer when you are still subject to ups's rules?
People lose homes, lose lives, because they have no insurance.
Walk in clinics, they are open almost 24 hrs a day here. I can go in , anytime. No charge.

You americans need healthcare reform. The working don't want it, ofcourse not, company pays for it. But, wait , where does the company get the money from ? - Think of that... everyone pays for it.

You also need metric system ! Everything is metric, your space program, the ml, and miligrams of medication you get.
Get with the rest of the world finally ! And that includes National Healthcare !

[klein]

It;s called Freedom , eh ? Do you think we have a "berlin wall" around this country, you think we can't still still chose private clinics, or go elsewhere for treatment ?
Ofcourse we can. Thats the big debate, because you seem to look north, and then hear all the bad news, all of us dying here, or seeking treatment in the states. As far as I know we have a longer lifespan then you in average.
Freedom is also guncontrol. It's very difficult for us to aquire guns here. You certainly won't see a gun in a pawnshop here !
Freedom is also same sex marriages.... we have that here...countrywide, whats your problem ?
Freedom is abortion, also counrtywide here, why is that even an issue there ?
And freedome is healthcare for everyone here. Regardless of age or income, race or employement.
Everyone gets treated equally.
Something the states always hisitated in doing.
You were an apartheid in the 1960's (our generation)... !!
It took you a long time to accept everyone should be treated equally !

[pickup]

Originally Posted by klein

It;s called Freedom , eh ? Do you think we have a "berlin wall" around this country, you think we can't still still chose private clinics, or go elsewhere for treatment ?
Ofcourse we can. Thats the big debate, because you seem to look north, and then hear all the bad news, all of us dying here, or seeking treatment in the states. As far as I know we have a longer lifespan then you in average.
Freedom is also guncontrol. It's very difficult for us to aquire guns here. You certainly won't see a gun in a pawnshop here !
Freedom is also same sex marriages.... we have that here...countrywide, whats your problem ?
Freedom is abortion, also counrtywide here, why is that even an issue there ?
And freedome is healthcare for everyone here. Regardless of age or income, race or employement.
Everyone gets treated equally.
Something the states always hisitated in doing.
You were an apartheid in the 1960's (our generation)... !!
It took you a long time to accept everyone should be treated equally !

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[klein]

Good one ! You even balmed Canada for the 9/11 attacks that happened.. that they came within Canada. Was totally NOT true ! Not one of them came thru the northern boarder ! But once said, it sticks.

[tourists24]

Originally Posted by klein

It;s called Freedom , eh ? Do you think we have a "berlin wall" around this country, you think we can't still still chose private clinics, or go elsewhere for treatment ?
Ofcourse we can. Thats the big debate, because you seem to look north, and then hear all the bad news, all of us dying here, or seeking treatment in the states. As far as I know we have a longer lifespan then you in average.
Freedom is also guncontrol. It's very difficult for us to aquire guns here. You certainly won't see a gun in a pawnshop here !
Freedom is also same sex marriages.... we have that here...countrywide, whats your problem ?
Freedom is abortion, also counrtywide here, why is that even an issue there ?
And freedome is healthcare for everyone here. Regardless of age or income, race or employement.
Everyone gets treated equally.
Something the states always hisitated in doing.
You were an apartheid in the 1960's (our generation)... !!
It took you a long time to accept everyone should be treated equally !

wait a minute,,, just a couple of posts ago you said "I got no other choice, that's how our system works".
I'll be the first to admit, the government steps in more and more everyday to take our freedoms away bit by bit... some of your arguements make no sense though.

Freedom is not healthcare for everyone. Choice is. You are offered no alternative to what the government says you can do.

How in the world is gun control freedom? Every law that restricts it slowly eats at that freedom. Maybe you need to tell this to Ted Nugent and tell him how freedom and gun control go together...lol

Same sex marriage isnt freedom. Those people are free to marry anyone of the opposite sex they wish; just like every American. Of course I dont like the government involved with marriage anyway; none of their business who is with who.

Abortion? If you think killing is ok then I will agree with you. It is not freedom just because you want someone dead.

You have things completely backwards.... how is government involvement in anything GIVING you freedom... no it simply gives you comfort (at a price) and a security blanket

[brett636]

Originally Posted by klein

Freedom is also guncontrol. It's very difficult for us to aquire guns here. You certainly won't see a gun in a pawnshop here !
!

I won't spend too much of my precious time replying to you since your a troll, but when did government control = freedom? Sounds like you are already living in a world like that of 1984.

[klein]

ok, am I wrong here ? that California has ruled same sex marriages are illegal ? Where's freedom in that ?
Abortion again ? It;s up to me (if I was pregant), if I wanted to keep it or not, thats freedom.
I don't know what healthcare has to do with freedom. We have it, that simple.
We can chose, just like you, to go to a doctor or not. Just we don't pay for it.
If we think service is better somewhere esle, yes we may travel abroad... and guess what.? We don't pay the whole bill , either !
We only pay the difference of that what the procedure would have costed inCanada, and what it costed elsewhere. That difference will be paid by the patient. Not the whole bill !
I think thats freedom !
And again, Stemcell research, if I needed my muscles to work again. or bones.. like Michael J Fox (born here in Edmonton)... why not? He can't get help for MS in the states, so he comes here, but he is fighting for you, to get that freedom there as well !
Our goverment rules very little. It;s against the charter of rights.
So is the death sentence, against charter of rights.
Even healthcare is a part of charter of rights here.
Trust me , we have more rights then americans. Meaning more freedom.
Just, odd things like guncontrol are in place, to make it a safer society. So is drinking and driving and all that kinda stuff.

[moreluck]

Klein....you don't live in CA. so don't be opining about how we vote. The vote went against same sex marriages....yep, just like I voted!!!!