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Old 09-02-2009, 06:53 AM   #76
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There was a dealer on the news this A.M. He has only been paid for 6 deals out of 161 deals....what's the hold up ??? Did Charlie Rangel need the $$$$ to pay his taxes ????
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Imagine the super-efficient giants like Aetna, Cigna or MetLife were running the Clunkers program, they probably wouldn’t get all bent out of shape about a few paperwork snafus, now would they? The money would just go flying out the door, with no worries about technicalities. If it turned out that a bunch of those rebate applications were fraudulent or bogus, the money paid to the swindlers would just get tacked onto next year’s premiums

and nobody would complain. Right?
If the gov't ran a healthcare plan that offered discounts, worked through existing providers, minimized the paperwork and paid every legitimate claim, would that be considered a failure? I guess it would depend on our expectations, which seem to be higher on government than on a private sector that routinely delays and denies payments to consumers—and that goes without any controversy whatsoever.



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There are 69 pages of paperwork to fill out per clunker thats traded in. That is 69 pages of paperwork for a car trade-in program. How can you call that efficient?
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Where do you get this from? I support allowing the behavior of the free market to dictate to the powers that be on what direction this country should take. Its no coincidence that soon after the government purchases two car companies it creates a program to artificially increase car sales. This program is corporate welfare, do you support corporate welfare?
I do NOT support Corp Welfare under normal circumstances . But my blind faith in an unregulated free mrkt atmostphere is not my idea of piloting solo the direction of the country. (analogy)The free market needs a Co-Pilot, a safety net, a check and balancer, in case the lead Independent Pilot has a heart attack. And thats exactly what happen to our aircraft. The co-pilot needed to take over temperarily to land the aircraft safetly at all cost and aviod catastrophy. What's wrong with insuring the next independent lead pilot stays healthy, limits smoking, drinking and fatty foods to aviod another hiccup later on.

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There are 69 pages of paperwork to fill out per clunker thats traded in. That is 69 pages of paperwork for a car trade-in program. How can you call that efficient?
Oh please, cry me a river.....so these Dealerships have to worker a little harder because this Gov't program packed consumers in their showroom....Consider it their peek season.....
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69 pages per deal? Why couldn't it all be done electronically?
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I see dealers lots full of cars, sold cars. Until the feds send the money they will sit there. So how is this helping the economy if all these sales were just on paper ? And what about those persons who traded in their older cars, but have not been given the new car yet, how are they getting around ?
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I do NOT support Corp Welfare under normal circumstances . But my blind faith in an unregulated free mrkt atmostphere is not my idea of piloting solo the direction of the country. (analogy)The free market needs a Co-Pilot, a safety net, a check and balancer, in case the lead Independent Pilot has a heart attack. And thats exactly what happen to our aircraft. The co-pilot needed to take over temperarily to land the aircraft safetly at all cost and aviod catastrophy. What's wrong with insuring the next independent lead pilot stays healthy, limits smoking, drinking and fatty foods to aviod another hiccup later on.
Atleast you admit that you support corporate welfare as long as its a democrat doling out the money. I guess I can have a clear conscience in knowing I don't support it no matter which party controls the government.

The problem with your analogy is the co-pilot has overshot the runway thinking he can successfully cover more ground when he doesn't have enough fuel to make it to the next runway. A crash is imminent.



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Oh please, cry me a river.....so these Dealerships have to worker a little harder because this Gov't program packed consumers in their showroom....Consider it their peek season.....
69 pages of paperwork to trade in a freakin car is ridiculous. That certainly isn't what anyone with half a brain would call efficient. I hate to see how much paperwork will be required if we get Obamacare when someone needs a life saving surgery. They will probably die before the doctors can get all the paperwork figured out.
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‘Clunkers’ Program Has Repaid 17% of Dealer Filings (Update2)
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By Angela Greiling Keane and Keith Naughton
Sept. 3 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. “cash for clunkers” vehicle trade-in program has repaid 17 percent of dealer rebate applications nine days after the filing deadline, and is hiring more workers to process the paperwork, an official said today.
The program, which has come under criticism from retailers for what they say is slow reimbursement, has approved 120,000 filings from the almost 700,000 sales generated. The $3 billion effort has paid about $500 million, said the Transportation Department official, who declined to be identified.
That pace is accelerating, and by the end of next week the government expects to be approving about $100 million a day, the official said. Even as the initiative spurred the first monthly gain in U.S. auto sales since 2007, led by Ford Motor Co., Toyota Motor Corp. and Honda Motor Co., dealers have said they’re being squeezed as they await repayment.
“When you’ve got all your working capital strung out to the federal government, that’s a problem, a real problem,” Charlie Howard, staff counsel of the Ohio Automobile Dealers Association, said in an interview yesterday. “The program brought a lot of people into the showroom, but we’ve got bills to pay, too.”
The Transportation Department intends to repay all eligible dealer submissions by Sept. 30, said the official.
The agency plans to increase the workforce for the program to 5,000 employees by the end of next week from about 3,000 now, the official told reporters. Most of the new employees will be contract workers, the official said. Citigroup Inc. has a $7.7 million contract to handle the paperwork, the agency has said.
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Dealers who borrowed money to buy the cars they sold through clunkers need the government to reimburse them to cover those loans, Howard said. Some are having difficulty meeting their payroll as they await their clunkers cash, he said.
The government’s rate of reimbursement to car dealers for the clunkers program “is absolutely horrible,” Howard said. “The program was fantastic in stimulating the economy and moving the metal. But the back side is the dark side of this program. It’s been a disaster.
The National Automobile Dealers Association, based in McLean, Virginia, found in an Aug. 27 survey of its members that 5.7 percent of clunkers deals had been reimbursed.
The retailers have complained about the application rejection rate, which the Transportation Department official said is declining.
The government has seen examples of multiple resubmissions, some of them clerical errors such as transposed VIN numbers, the official said.
Ford, Toyota and Honda all reported more August deliveries than a year earlier, while General Motors Co., Chrysler Group LLC and Nissan Motor Co. fell. The industry total rose 1 percent from August 2008 to 1.26 million, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.



Everything I had stated earlier has come true. The program is being defined a "disaster", and both GM and Chrysler did not see the gains their private competition has seen. Gee its great when the government gets involved.
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Old 09-05-2009, 08:26 AM   #83
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It was sent to me big & bright......you know me, just cut & paste.

Maybe I should've posted about the couple who turned in their gas guzzler thinking it would get destroyed only to find out the dealership had their old car for sale as a used car. That's not how it's suppose to go.
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As I predicted car sales have all but halted after this massive failure of a program has ended. It simply isn't feasible for the government to offer this kind of incentive forever, and now September may be the worst month of the year for car sales when its normally a good month.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,553823,00.html
http://www.boston.com/business/artic...s_clamor_ends/


As it seems all those tax dollars spent was all for not. Those auto workers put back to work will on layoff just in time for the Christmas holiday. Thank god the government stepped in the way it did.
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Here is some government efficiency for you. We the taxpayers have paid about $24k per clunker turned in.

http://money.cnn.com/2009/10/28/auto...ysis/index.htm
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Here is some government efficiency for you. We the taxpayers have paid about $24k per clunker turned in.

http://money.cnn.com/2009/10/28/auto...ysis/index.htm
It is good that you posted a CNN link. If it was Fox it would be a lie. Im sure "the other side" will come along soon with his "Obama blinders" and defend Obama and his admin.
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The original analysis I posted was done by edmunds.com, and now the white house sees fit to attack edmunds.com for making such an analysis.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2009/...-cash-clunkers

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http://www.edmunds.com/help/about/pr...6/article.html
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The original analysis I posted was done by edmunds.com, and now the white house sees fit to attack edmunds.com for making such an analysis.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2009/...-cash-clunkers

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Here's another example of the economic explosion that the Obama Stimulus plan has done for the greater economy.


I can see a whole industry of ski boat/bass boat inspectors exploding on a global scale. Need to call my stock broker for sure.
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Cash for Clunkers, RIP


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And don't forget the lesson of the Broken Window.
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