Obama fails yet again...

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by klein

Leave Iran up to the Nato or even UN.
Haven't you learned a lesson, yet ?

so you're saying let Iran have all the nukes they want?

[klein]

Originally Posted by tieguy

never? thought we boycotted on of those things?

Countries have boycotted them. Yes.
But not the IOC !
Olympics were still held !

Only Olympics missed were 1940 and 1944 (and maybe 1948 too), because of WW2.

Tieguy, a german living in America... keep your politics to Germany !
(edited after his following post).

And just a reminder: Canada is your largest trading partner, neighbor, and friend, and yes, american politics mean more to us, then any other country on earth.
No one , will disagree with me on that one.

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by klein

Not only that, the pres, didn't go to Copenhagen for the Olympics... he took another day there, to promote it.
Copenhagen was a G20 meeting, - he was there anyways !

Like I said. Nothing he does is good. Gets critizied for everything.
I never seen American politics this dirty ever before.
And it will make history, too.

waaaaaa obama is being picked on. Waaaaaa he is the only president to be such criticized.

Can you keep your naive commentary focused on canadian leadership?

[Channahon]

A blessing for the people of Chicago and Illinois, one of the most corrupt cities and states in the USA. The IOC didn't need to hear Richie Daley talking about how the Olympics will create jobs and help the city, nor did they need to hear that Barack, Michelle and their 2 girls can walk to the venue for opening and closing ceremonies. Their presentation was all about them, not the benefits to the athletes of the world.

Now Rio had the right idea, have a map of Olympics previously held, and none in South America, it was their turn, plain and simple. Rio is hosting the World Soccer Cup in 2012 and will have a lot of structure in place.

The city of Chicago pledged 4 billion to building the venues, Rio pledged 14 billion and Bejing spent 50 billion, and what a venue they had. No way would Chicago stay to a budget of 4 billion, as they can't manage the city budget, much less a budget 7 years out.

And the USA boycotted the 1980 Moscow Olympics, due to the war in Afghanistan with Russia, and now we are there fighting a war, go figure

JMO

[ups1990]

Originally Posted by diesel96

Once again, conservatives show their true colors as fake patriots towards uniting America. One would think, and be in total support that any US city landing an Olympic event would be very beneficial to that area and surrounding communities. But nooooo.......Politicizing has now taking a front seat to these sore losers that cheerleading events that regress positive American opportunities as a common pratice......This is precisely why, the GOP has no future or leadership in the next few election cycles.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/1..._n_307794.html

To anybody supporting Sen John Bonher and the rest of his Rep trolls making a stink about Pres Obama going to Copenhagen when he has business here is just plain garbage political rhetoric. In this day and age of Communication and high tech capabilities, one would think the Pres is well aware whats going on even flying at 35,000 ft......

Come on Diesel. This was a poltical failure on a domestic and foreign front. Obama, made it a personal goal of his to have Chitown land the olympics. The Obama novelty has worn off in the states and the world is rejoicing at this defeat. Why go over there and again apologize for Americans? I wonder if Obama, Michelle and Oprah, will visit the relatives of the Chicago honor student slained in Chicago?

[scratch]

Originally Posted by Channahon

And the USA boycotted the 1980 Moscow Olympics, due to the war in Afghanistan with Russia, and now we are there fighting a war, go figure

JMO

Wikipedia (Links)

Steve_Lundquist

The 1980 US boycott was another failure of Jimmy Carter. I know this guy, Steve Lundquist, who along with a lot of other athletes, didn't make it to the Moscow games. "Lunk" did win two gold Medals in 1984 though.

[klein]

Originally Posted by scratch

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Lundquist

The 1980 US boycott was another failure of Jimmy Carter. I know this guy, Steve Lundquist, who along with a lot of other athletes, didn't make it to the Moscow games. "Lunk" did win two gold Medals in 1984 though.

We'rent those games being boycotted though , too, as retailtion ?
The whole eastblock didn't go (UDSSR, East Germany, Hungary, etc)...

[diesel96]

Originally Posted by ups1990

Come on Diesel. This was a poltical failure on a domestic and foreign front. Obama, made it a personal goal of his to have Chitown land the olympics. The Obama novelty has worn off in the states and the world is rejoicing at this defeat. Why go over there and again apologize for Americans? I wonder if Obama, Michelle and Oprah, will visit the relatives of the Chicago honor student slained in Chicago?

You really should try using a hy-phen when describing Chi-Town. Or is your Hatred for Obama, Ophra and Chicago that obvious. Listen, the world is not rejoicing Obama's IOC defeat, just the American Right Wingers are. So go ahead, applaud, hoot and holler and support those in cheering America's (not Obama's) bid loss, in generating revenue and jobs down the road for many Mid-Westerners.

[moreluck]

Except for Salt Lake (thanks Mitt) I am under the impression that the Olympics cost a lot of $$$ and actually lose $$$ for the host city.

Chicagoans didn't want to be the venue. Even OPRAH couldn't swing it and she's like God in Chicago.

At least Rio can have plenty of new pickpocket targets....

[JimJimmyJames]

Besides potential construction jobs (question is, what do you do with the structures after the Olympics leave town?), most of the jobs created seem to me to be minimum wage crap jobs. Like most tourist type jobs.

[UpstateNYUPSer]

Originally Posted by JimJimmyJames

Besides potential construction jobs (question is, what do you do with the structures after the Olympics leave town?), most of the jobs created seem to me to be minimum wage crap jobs. Like most tourist type jobs.

I live about an hour away from Lake Placid, NY, which hosted the 1980 Winter Olympics ("Do you believe in miracles?"). Jim asked what you do with the structures after the Olympics leave. Well, the dorms where the athletes lived is now a minimum security prison. The venues remain and are used for national and international competitions and are open to spectators. The bobsled and luge runs are open during the summer when they use bobsleds with wheels and let people experience what riding in a bobsled is like ($60 each person for a 1/2 mile ride--kids and I did it for free and it is really cool). The kids both also played hockey on the same rink where the miracle took place and both skied/snowboarded down Whiteface Mtn.

Jim is right in that most of the jobs created are service sector jobs.

Property owners made a killing renting their houses.

I was not w/UPS in 1980 but the older drivers have told me that it was a PITA. They had specified delivery times where they were allowed to be in the villlage, which was early in the morning. Traffic was a nightmare.

I don't find fault with what Obama tried to do but I think the outcome was decided long before any presentations were made. As an athlete I think it would be pretty cool to go to Rio for a few weeks. Chicago...not so much.

[klein]

Originally Posted by UpstateNYUPSer

I live about an hour away from Lake Placid, NY, which hosted the 1980 Winter Olympics ("Do you believe in miracles?"). Jim asked what you do with the structures after the Olympics leave. Well, the dorms where the athletes lived is now a minimum security prison. The venues remain and are used for national and international competitions and are open to spectators. The bobsled and luge runs are open during the summer when they use bobsleds with wheels and let people experience what riding in a bobsled is like ($60 each person for a 1/2 mile ride--kids and I did it for free and it is really cool). The kids both also played hockey on the same rink where the miracle took place and both skied/snowboarded down Whiteface Mtn.

Jim is right in that most of the jobs created are service sector jobs.

Property owners made a killing renting their houses.

I was not w/UPS in 1980 but the older drivers have told me that it was a PITA. They had specified delivery times where they were allowed to be in the villlage, which was early in the morning. Traffic was a nightmare.

I don't find fault with what Obama tried to do but I think the outcome was decided long before any presentations were made. As an athlete I think it would be pretty cool to go to Rio for a few weeks. Chicago...not so much.

And I got to experince the Wintergames in 1988 in Calgary. One of the best times of my life.
Calgary Flames got a nice new hockey rink out of it (saddledome).
The Olympic Oval at the Univeristy, still very much used, as well as a training center for new Olympians and Speedskaters.
Same thing with the bob and luge runs here, and as attraction.
Ski jump, thats kinda nasty white elephant.
But again, used for training.

And having those Olympics paid out big time.
Was also the most successful Olympics ever. They walked away with a few hundred million in surplus !
Back then Canada only got 3 medals total or something low like that.
Now, with all the training facitities, we could easily win it all.

The Olympic Villiage (which was awesome - built on a hill), was sold as condos.
I hear Vancouver, those will be social housing.

But, you did forget the high paying construction jobs !

But, there can always be that major downfall, I believe Montreal is still paying for it's 1976 Summer games !
(back then not enough sponsors, money wasn't like it was just a few years back).
And getting high paying sponsors in this climate... maybe best Chicago didn't get them.

And could you imagine the huge security costs alone ?
Besides, as odd as this may sound, but Brazil has more money.

[ticoo]

In our economy all this obama does is spend money. He takes his family all around the world on our dime. He says there is business there. But the way the world thinks of us he can go anywhere bring his family call it business. Everytime his family goes we as tax payers spend all the extra money for 3 shifts of secret service people for each person. plus all assts. and so on. I heard it cost us $63,000 per hour for the president to go anywhere. When he first took over he was traveling with 500 plus people now we lug alot of boxes to feed our family as so on I am tired of lugging for a president that gonna kill our country and not be around to take the blame in 5 or 10 yrs when our grandkids have to pay back his ridiculous debt. I for one will never back a person for office just because the union says so. Quite frankly what does the union know about whos best.

[ticoo]

Im sorry i am all worked up now. Obama was voted for his .... and bidens supposed expierience but lately all we have is criminals running our gov. from the kenedys on down. i think everyone in gov should have term limits 2 or 4 yrs period . We have a good ol boy group running our country and its gotta stop. Im sorry to all about my tyrad i will leave obama and politics alone for know

[wkmac]

Originally Posted by JimJimmyJames

Besides potential construction jobs (question is, what do you do with the structures after the Olympics leave town?), most of the jobs created seem to me to be minimum wage crap jobs. Like most tourist type jobs.

Are those jobs really a true economic boom in the long run? Some of your point I do believe.

See Bastiat's Broken Window Fallacy to get where I'm coming from.

Atlanta built an awesome Olympic stadium but was not sustainable in that format after the Olympics was over. Stadium at more cost was downsized to a baseball field. Other venues around Olympics never fully materalized as dreamed or failed to do anything beyond the games themselves. However, the growth boom from and after the Olympics have stressed the metro Atlanta infrastrcture and was no more manifest than in 2007' when the drought hit crisis mode. Also stimulated a housing bubble too with an extra supporting cast in Uncle Sam.

[klein]

Originally Posted by ticoo

In our economy all this obama does is spend money. He takes his family all around the world on our dime. He says there is business there. But the way the world thinks of us he can go anywhere bring his family call it business. Everytime his family goes we as tax payers spend all the extra money for 3 shifts of secret service people for each person. plus all assts. and so on. I heard it cost us $63,000 per hour for the president to go anywhere. When he first took over he was traveling with 500 plus people now we lug alot of boxes to feed our family as so on I am tired of lugging for a president that gonna kill our country and not be around to take the blame in 5 or 10 yrs when our grandkids have to pay back his ridiculous debt. I for one will never back a person for office just because the union says so. Quite frankly what does the union know about whos best.

Sorry, but airforce 1 will cost the same, with or without family.
His hotel room, same thing.
Food ? Don't think they pay for that in Washington either.

And nothing wrong being a family man, a step up from having intern sexual Regarding your your presidential terms, well, thats your good old constitution, that no one bares to touch.

We could have an election here, any giving week, because we have a minority government currently.

[klein]

Originally Posted by wkmac

Are those jobs really a true economic boom in the long run? Some of your point I do believe.

See Bastiat's Broken Window Fallacy to get where I'm coming from.

Atlanta built an awesome Olympic stadium but was not sustainable in that format after the Olympics was over. Stadium at more cost was downsized to a baseball field. Other venues around Olympics never fully materalized as dreamed or failed to do anything beyond the games themselves. However, the growth boom from and after the Olympics have stressed the metro Atlanta infrastrcture and was no more manifest than in 2007' when the drought hit crisis mode. Also stimulated a housing bubble too with an extra supporting cast in Uncle Sam.

Another reason Rio got it, they can use a Stadium, you can't bulid them large enough for Soccer. Over 120.000 people go into stadiums there in South America and Europe for soccer matches.

Madrid, I remember that, without even looking it up, called Bilbio Stadium or something close to it... has room for about 100.000 spectators.

Something, North America, really can't get much usage of.

Look back at Berlin and Munich, those 2 stadiums are still standing, and very well used (Soccer games, and lately in Berlin (That south african - shemale) for other world tournaments. And built in the early 1930's !
I was lucky enough to go to that Stadium, and Munich too. I was a soccer nut ! Travelled all over Europe for soccer matches.

[brett636]

Originally Posted by diesel96

You really should try using a hy-phen when describing Chi-Town. Or is your Hatred for Obama, Ophra and Chicago that obvious. Listen, the world is not rejoicing Obama's IOC defeat, just the American Right Wingers are. So go ahead, applaud, hoot and holler and support those in cheering America's (not Obama's) bid loss, in generating revenue and jobs down the road for many Mid-Westerners.

I am going to start nailing you on every spelling and punctuation mistake you make. Just about every post you have contains at least one. Those in glass houses should not throw stones. Just for future reference the H in hatred should not be capitalized.

Considering Chicago was the first of the four cities to get voted out I can imagine quite a few countries were rejoicing over it. Obama and Daley threw everything but the kitchen sink at the Olympics and in the end it meant squat. The world has been wanting to put us in our place for some time, and now that we have one of the weakest leaders in our nations history the world feels its time to try to tear us down.

[wkmac]

Originally Posted by klein

Another reason Rio got it, they can use a Stadium, you can't bulid them large enough for Soccer. Over 120.000 people go into stadiums there in South America and Europe for soccer matches.

Madrid, I remember that, without even looking it up, called Bilbio Stadium or something close to it... has room for about 100.000 spectators.

Something, North America, really can't get much usage of.

Look back at Berlin and Munich, those 2 stadiums are still standing, and very well used (Soccer games, and lately in Berlin (That south african - shemale) for other world tournaments. And built in the early 1930's !
I was lucky enough to go to that Stadium, and Munich too. I was a soccer nut ! Travelled all over Europe for soccer matches.

Another good point, ALL pro teams should build their own stadiums and not use the public trough or emient domain powers. And that goes for NASCAR where Bristol Speedway benefited from emient domain abuse.

Nuff said!

[diesel96]

Where were all these anti-gov't big spendors hiding since the Reagan days. How do you think the Cold War ended, from a Reagan speech ? No, we out spent the Russians. Why come out from under your rocks, now ? When will the deniers finally come to the realization that Republicans spend just as much if not more than Democrats. Only difference while Rep's spend, they give the rich tax breaks while they wage wars, buy Pharma at full retail cost, and give away TARP money without any ability and intention of paying for anything. So here we are again, a new Adm that has to clean up and repair after another financially damaging 8 year Rep spending spree. So experts get together and determine how to mend our economy with a spending stimulus, reinvestment recovery act built on investing in America this time. However, If Obama continues to proceed with the Bush policies, he will fail. Waging wars and spending stimulus don't mix. Now here we are, borrowing money from foriegn countries for 8 years running up debt like never before, and like spoiled little irresponsible babies, whining over sin taxes and why the rich has to pay their fair share. Realize this pundits, you'll never pay off your debt by paying the minumum payment every month. It's much more complexed than complaining about the President flying in Air Force One, or your cigs, beer, and gas costing more. So before another Cable Talking Head or Internet Blogger indoctrinates you to go to another Tea Party and start yelling, kicking and screaming inaccurate facts, and blame one side or the other when it comes to taxation and paying off the US debt, remember, like a bad marriage, it's a two way street and it takes two. There's no turning to bankruptcy or going to your parents for more money. Eight years got us here, and let's face it, probably eight to get us out. There are no quick fixes.

[diesel96]

Originally Posted by brett636

I am going to start nailing you on every spelling and punctuation mistake you make. Just about every post you have contains at least one. Those in glass houses should not throw stones. Just for future reference the H in hatred should not be capitalized.

Considering Chicago was the first of the four cities to get voted out I can imagine quite a few countries were rejoicing over it. Obama and Daley threw everything but the kitchen sink at the Olympics and in the end it meant squat. The world has been wanting to put us in our place for some time, and now that we have one of the weakest leaders in our nations history the world feels its time to try to tear us down.

Hey, Prof Mcfly, nail this....Instead of checking for spelling and pronounciation errors, I suggest that you read into the context, and go from there. The point of the post, is there's a difference between Chitown and Chi-Town....One can read the tea leaves when referencing a city as fecal matter... Only those with true hate in their heart will bastardize a city that a politician realms from. I suppose those who share your disposition have a problem with Honolulu as well.

[over9five]

Originally Posted by diesel96

I suppose those who share your disposition have a problem with Honolulu as well.

Honolulu's great! Can't think of any politicians that were born there.





Sorry, had to throw that one out before someone else did!

[moreluck]

Sen. Daniel Ken "Dan" Inouye was born in Hawaii.

[island1fox]

At the risk of repeating myself I will once again post a few absolute facts. This poor economy was not caused by the W administration.
Bush came into a declining phony dot com economy and then we experienced Sept 11 th. Due to quick action and giving tax cuts to all Americans (see IRS tax tables if you can read ---all income levels received a 5% cut.}
The disaster we are presently living through has roots going back to 1964 when LBJ started the "Great Society" . The giveaway of Tax dollars and welfare grew at an alarming rate. We have developed generations of bottom feeders. We now look at another fact --the Jimmy Carter community reinvestment act --the beginning of putting people in homes they could not afford--after the Carter disaster of double digit unemployment, interest rates and inflation we were saved by the Reagon years . Now another fact --Liberals always complain about de-regulation --HELLO- Wild Bill Clinton --deregulated fannie and freddie and the race was on --with a little help . In the nineties community organizer and attorney Obama became very involved with that honest organization ACORN.
City bank was sued for not having enough minority mortages--the lawsuit was settled --banks lowered their lending standards and everyone bragged how many more minorities were now homeowners.
During the W administration -the housing bubble was identified. When the Senate wanted an up or down vote on reigning in Fannie and Freddie -Senator Obama,Senator Dodd and the MAJORITY of the black caucaus including Maxime Waters, And congressman Meeks out of NY. Congressman Barney Frank was also very loud in his support for Fannie and Freddie.
Now it is also a fact that Senator Dodd had his sweetheart deal going and Obama was using contributions from Fannie and Freddie and ACORN support to become President.
I will agree that we are not going to come out of this for a very long time --but laugh at the Kool aid drinkers that blame Bush including Obama who claimshe inherited this economy ----He played an active role in causing it.
The crash of the housing market --people having homes they could never afford ----destroyed our economy and most of the worlds.
Yes -Wall street was able to tag along --bundle and sell derivatives --but would never have been able to do so --if Fannie and Freddie did not exist.

[diesel96]

Originally Posted by island1fox

At the risk of repeating myself I will once again post a few absolute facts. This poor economy was not caused by the W administration.
Bush came into a declining phony dot com economy and then we experienced Sept 11 th. Due to quick action and giving tax cuts to all Americans (see IRS tax tables if you can read ---all income levels received a 5% cut.}
The disaster we are presently living through has roots going back to 1964 when LBJ started the "Great Society" . The giveaway of Tax dollars and welfare grew at an alarming rate. We have developed generations of bottom feeders. We now look at another fact --the Jimmy Carter community reinvestment act --the beginning of putting people in homes they could not afford--after the Carter disaster of double digit unemployment, interest rates and inflation we were saved by the Reagon years . Now another fact --Liberals always complain about de-regulation --HELLO- Wild Bill Clinton --deregulated fannie and freddie and the race was on --with a little help . In the nineties community organizer and attorney Obama became very involved with that honest organization ACORN.
City bank was sued for not having enough minority mortages--the lawsuit was settled --banks lowered their lending standards and everyone bragged how many more minorities were now homeowners.
During the W administration -the housing bubble was identified. When the Senate wanted an up or down vote on reigning in Fannie and Freddie -Senator Obama,Senator Dodd and the MAJORITY of the black caucaus including Maxime Waters, And congressman Meeks out of NY. Congressman Barney Frank was also very loud in his support for Fannie and Freddie.
Now it is also a fact that Senator Dodd had his sweetheart deal going and Obama was using contributions from Fannie and Freddie and ACORN support to become President.
I will agree that we are not going to come out of this for a very long time --but laugh at the Kool aid drinkers that blame Bush including Obama who claimshe inherited this economy ----He played an active role in causing it.
The crash of the housing market --people having homes they could never afford ----destroyed our economy and most of the worlds.
Yes -Wall street was able to tag along --bundle and sell derivatives --but would never have been able to do so --if Fannie and Freddie did not exist.