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The Other Side · 11-06-2009, 08:14 AM

Why not stick to the facts of the case so far instead of the HYPERBOLE presented by FOX news?

This officer was about to be deployed, he has tried for months to get out of the service and was resisting being deployed to the middle east.

After months and months of trying, he just snapped.

There are many US soldiers who are facing this exact same situation all over this country. Fortunately, they dont snap and kill there comrades.

Instead, they are killing themselves.

Most of those are christians, so does that mean theres a religious connection to suicide and christianity??

This was a simple case of a muslim soldier not wanting to go overseas into a middle eastern country and be a part of a war he didnt believe in.

He was strong enough in his faith to not want to be a part of an occupying force dominating a muslim country and he just snapped.

If religion is all you want to focus on, then maybe you should petition the goverment to only hire christians.

Maybe you could start a movement "dont prey, dont tell"..??

This was tragic, yet the handwriting was on the wall for months and the chain of command failed those soldiers and civilians who lost there lives.

The army has to blame itself for this failure.

Indeed, the shooter shoulders all the blame and responsiblity for the end result, but the army shoulders the blame for not being able address this soldiers concerns before the act.

There are hundreds of muslims in the service, they are not "moles" but in fact recruited by the military for service in the middle east. Translators and having people on the battlefield who can connect with the muslims in battle is an important part of a war strategy.

Lets get over the FOX news hype of an AL Qaeda connection.

moreluck · 11-06-2009, 08:51 AM

"and although this kind of behavior is not normal for the majority of the muslims of the world "

I'm not convinced of that. I think "kill the infidels" is the goal of every Muslim.

We keep hearing "it's not normal" , but these tragedies keep happening.

Fool me once......you know the rest.

brett636 · 11-06-2009, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by moreluck

"and although this kind of behavior is not normal for the majority of the muslims of the world "

I'm not convinced of that. I think "kill the infidels" is the goal of every Muslim.

We keep hearing "it's not normal" , but these tragedies keep happening.

Fool me once......you know the rest.

Thats why I elaborated on how the majority of muslims do not partake in such activities, but they certainly don't speak out against it, and in some cases strongly support these kind of attacks.

YouTube- Islamic man OWNED by radio host Neil Boortz

moreluck · 11-06-2009, 10:39 AM

"This officer was about to be deployed, he has tried for months to get out of the service and was resisting being deployed to the middle east."

How convenient for him to wait until he has his doctorate ,compliments of U.S before he "snaps". What a joke. He's the enemy, period the end.

moreluck · 11-06-2009, 10:41 AM

"This was a simple case of a muslim soldier not wanting to go overseas into a middle eastern country and be a part of a war he didnt believe in."

How "simple" would it be if one of the victims was your brother or sister???

klein · 11-06-2009, 10:44 AM

Hey, maybe a stupid question,
does he get traid in military court, or state court ?

And, ofcourse , the death penalty. Do they apply to both systems ?

Mind you, for him, life sentence would be much harsher.

moreluck · 11-06-2009, 11:03 AM

""He was mortified by the idea of having to deploy,” Hasan's cousin Nader Hasan told The New York Times.

Gee, why wasn't he mortified to accept all that free education from the gov't? Bastard!

I hope they feed him pork chops in prison!!

tonyexpress · 11-06-2009, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by The Other Side

This was a simple case of a muslim soldier not wanting to go overseas into a middle eastern country and be a part of a war he didnt believe in.

He was strong enough in his faith to not want to be a part of an occupying force dominating a muslim country and he just snapped.

Last time I checked there was no draft!!!

If only his name had been Smith….Then I could continue to hold on to my own multicultural delusions and when somebody yells Allah Akbar just pray that my family and loved ones are not in the vicinity...

Our thoughts and prayers go out to the families and loved ones who are suffering through this senseless act!

moreluck · 11-06-2009, 11:09 AM

"Before Thursday's shooting, Hasan reportedly gave away all of his furniture along with copies of the Koran to neighbors, KXXV-TV reported."

That tells me he was planning this.

brett636 · 11-06-2009, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by klein

Hey, maybe a stupid question,
does he get traid in military court, or state court ?

And, ofcourse , the death penalty. Do they apply to both systems ?

Mind you, for him, life sentence would be much harsher.

Most likely it will be a military trial since it occurred on a military base by a military officer against mostly other military personnel, but I am not well versed on military law so I could be wrong on that.

brett636 · 11-06-2009, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by The Other Side

Why not stick to the facts of the case so far instead of the HYPERBOLE presented by FOX news?

This officer was about to be deployed, he has tried for months to get out of the service and was resisting being deployed to the middle east.

After months and months of trying, he just snapped.

There are many US soldiers who are facing this exact same situation all over this country. Fortunately, they dont snap and kill there comrades.

Instead, they are killing themselves.

Most of those are christians, so does that mean theres a religious connection to suicide and christianity??

This was a simple case of a muslim soldier not wanting to go overseas into a middle eastern country and be a part of a war he didnt believe in.

He was strong enough in his faith to not want to be a part of an occupying force dominating a muslim country and he just snapped.

If religion is all you want to focus on, then maybe you should petition the goverment to only hire christians.

Maybe you could start a movement "dont prey, dont tell"..??

This was tragic, yet the handwriting was on the wall for months and the chain of command failed those soldiers and civilians who lost there lives.

The army has to blame itself for this failure.

Indeed, the shooter shoulders all the blame and responsiblity for the end result, but the army shoulders the blame for not being able address this soldiers concerns before the act.

There are hundreds of muslims in the service, they are not "moles" but in fact recruited by the military for service in the middle east. Translators and having people on the battlefield who can connect with the muslims in battle is an important part of a war strategy.

Lets get over the FOX news hype of an AL Qaeda connection.

Why do you ignore the fact that he is a muslim who is against the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, and he has stated that he supports the muslims who "stand up" against us. They have surveillance video of Hasan at a 7-11 in traditional muslim garb the morning of the attack(http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/11/06/...ect/index.html ), and him yelling "God is Great" in Arabic during the attack. Why can't you see that this was a religiously motivated attack by yet another Muslim.

May the soldiers who perished in this attack RIP, and man responsible pay for his actions.

Dis-organized Labor · 11-06-2009, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by brett636

Most likely it will be a military trial since it occurred on a military base by a military officer against mostly other military personnel, but I am not well versed on military law so I could be wrong on that.

Correct. Military trial. I hope he lives and we throw him in one of the empty cages in Gitmo!

moreluck · 11-06-2009, 11:46 AM

Yeah, Gitmo where he can get his H1N1 flu shot.....grrrrrr!!

Jones · 11-06-2009, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by klein

Hey, maybe a stupid question,
does he get traid in military court, or state court ?

And, ofcourse , the death penalty. Do they apply to both systems ?

Mind you, for him, life sentence would be much harsher.

He can be tried either under the UCMJ (uniform code of military justice) or in federal court, the DOJ and the Pentagon will discuss it and decide which is the best way to handle it. The death penalty is available under either system.

Dis-organized Labor · 11-06-2009, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Jones

He can be tried either under the UCMJ (uniform code of military justice) or in federal court, the DOJ and the Pentagon will discuss it and decide which is the best way to handle it. The death penalty is available under either system.

Don't these people believe if they blow themselves and others up at the same time ( as well as spraing them with an AK), they're going to Heaven anyway.
A cage in Gitmo and lots of pork, alcohol and porn!
A Muslim's nightmare.

Jones · 11-06-2009, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dis-organized Labor

Don't these people believe if they blow themselves and others up at the same time ( as well as spraing them with an AK), they're going to Heaven anyway.
A cage in Gitmo and lots of pork, alcohol and porn!
A Muslim's nightmare.

I think you're really jumping to conclusions by assuming this guy was on some sort of jihad and that this was a religiously motivated attack. It's possible that the investigation may reach that conclusion, but right now it just doesn't look that way. From what's been reported he seems like an emotionally unstable guy who lost it, which actually happens all too frequently regardless of religious beliefs. His religious beliefs may have been a contributing factor in some way, but keep in mind that there are plenty of muslim americans serving their country honorably in the armed forces.

tieguy · 11-06-2009, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by klein

Guess this says it all !

Gunman shouts 'Allahu Akbar'

Shooter screamed Arabic term for 'God is great!' before opening fire, say U.S. soldiers.» Motive for massacre unclear

I'm not surprised the guy practices an islamic religion just like I'm not surprised the guy went to virginia tech. Looks like the perfect background for going on a shooting spree.

tieguy · 11-06-2009, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by The Other Side

Why not stick to the facts of the case so far instead of the HYPERBOLE presented by FOX news?

I find it interesting when you try to kick someones but about speculating about the religious connection while you yourself speculate on what news source they used.

Were we supposed to learn the right way of doing things from you?

tieguy · 11-06-2009, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by moreluck

"and although this kind of behavior is not normal for the majority of the muslims of the world "

I'm not convinced of that. I think "kill the infidels" is the goal of every Muslim.

We keep hearing "it's not normal" , but these tragedies keep happening.

Fool me once......you know the rest.

I agree.
All would be good if muslims actually followed the teachings of their faith which dictates peace and foregiveness.
Instead local religious leaders have now convinced muslims that suicide bombings achieving martyrdom is the desirable death.

tieguy · 11-06-2009, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by klein

Hey, maybe a stupid question,
does he get traid in military court, or state court ?

And, ofcourse , the death penalty. Do they apply to both systems ?

Mind you, for him, life sentence would be much harsher.

court martial with possibility of death. Its been a long time (48 years) since a death penalty has been carried out via a military court martial so this one will be interesting.

CBS news says the justice department may step in and try him.

Lue C Fur · 11-06-2009, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by The Other Side

Why not stick to the facts of the case so far instead of the HYPERBOLE presented by FOX news?
You really love FOX dont you. I bet you a closet FOX watcher.

This officer was about to be deployed, he has tried for months to get out of the service and was resisting being deployed to the middle east.
He was an officer in the Miltary. You do what your told to do. He kept re-enlisting every 4 years...

After months and months of trying, he just snapped.
How convenient.

There are many US soldiers who are facing this exact same situation all over this country. Fortunately, they dont snap and kill there comrades.
Thats right they dont "just snap" and do what they are told because they are in the military where you do what your told or you get out after your enlistment is up.

Instead, they are killing themselves.
Better than killing your coworkers or fellow american soldiers.

Most of those are christians, so does that mean theres a religious connection to suicide and christianity??
I dont think "most christians" yell god is great before blowing their brains out.

This was a simple case of a muslim soldier not wanting to go overseas into a middle eastern country and be a part of a war he didnt believe in.
Its also that simple to refuse to go and get court marsheled and get booted out with a dishonorble discharge instead of yelling god is great and killing your fellow soldiers.

He was strong enough in his faith to not want to be a part of an occupying force dominating a muslim country and he just snapped.
Thats right we are "occupiers"...just what a good Obama Liberal would say or a closet muslim. As an American i feel we are out to get revenge on the A-holes that killed my brothers and sisters on the USS cole, 9/11, and many other murderous events brought on by the muslim islamic idiots. I want to help then meet their "Alah" sooner.

If religion is all you want to focus on, then maybe you should petition the goverment to only hire christians.
That sounds like a good idea. Maybe the next "AMERICAN" president will make that a rule for the military.

Maybe you could start a movement "dont prey, dont tell"..??
If its on a rug towards mecca then i got a problem with that if they are in the military...or heck in America. Boot all of then out. Hey, maybe if the "good muslims" start pointing out their "bad radical muslim brothers" i could let them stay.

This was tragic, yet the handwriting was on the wall for months and the chain of command failed those soldiers and civilians who lost there lives.
Spoken like a true Obama Liberal...blame it on someone else.

The army has to blame itself for this failure.
Same as above...blame, blame, blame.

Indeed, the shooter shoulders all the blame and responsiblity for the end result, but the army shoulders the blame for not being able address this soldiers concerns before the act.
Yawn!!!!

There are hundreds of muslims in the service, they are not "moles" but in fact recruited by the military for service in the middle east. Translators and having people on the battlefield who can connect with the muslims in battle is an important part of a war strategy.
I think you need to research that more closely. Many are "christians" who converted from Islam because a true muslim cant kill other muslims and that is why the POS in fort hood as you say "snapped" and yelled Alah.

Lets get over the FOX news hype of an AL Qaeda connection.
There you go again...FOX, FOX, FOX. You know you like it. Millions of Americans watch more than any other news networks. Dont be a playa hata.

island1fox · 11-06-2009, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by moreluck

The military paid for his entire education to be a psychiatrist and he's been looking for a way out of the Army.....ungrateful idiot !!

Well he found his way out and Allah eagerly awaits his arrival !!!

Moreluck,
Some reports have put his U.S. education to over a half million dollars --more tax money well spent !!!

klein · 11-06-2009, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by island1fox

Moreluck,
Some reports have put his U.S. education to over a half million dollars --more tax money well spent !!!

Hey, it will cost that much alone for his hospital care and surgeries now.

Lue C Fur · 11-06-2009, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by klein

Hey, it will cost that much alone for his hospital care and surgeries now.

Dont forget the trial where all the bleeding heart liberals will come to defend his actions and put the blame elsewhere. Yup...the cost to taxpayers will be huge. Maybe we will get lucky and he will die soon.

tonyexpress · 11-06-2009, 08:42 PM

But as some of you may have heard....***!!

YouTube- Fort Hood Tragedy -- Barack Obama Gives Odd "Shout-Out" Before He Comments on Massacre -- FOX News

But instead of a somber chief executive offering reassuring words and expressions of sympathy and compassion, viewers saw a wildly disconnected and inappropriately light president making introductory remarks. At the event, a Tribal Nations Conference hosted by the Department of Interior's Bureau of Indian affairs, the president thanked various staffers and offered a "shout-out" to "Dr. Joe Medicine Crow -- that Congressional Medal of Honor winner." Three minutes in, the president spoke about the shooting, in measured and appropriate terms. Who is advising him?

What a disgrace!

Obama's Frightening Insensitivity Following Shooting

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