Ft. Hood - Brown Cafe

moreluck · 11-05-2009, 03:45 PM

Did you check out his name ?? Army Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan. Geez !!

Army officer opens fire at Fort Hood, killing 12

By APRIL CASTRO and DEVLIN BARRETT, Associated Press Writers April Castro And Devlin Barrett, Associated Press Writers 3 mins ago

FORT HOOD, Texas – An Army officer opened fire Thursday with two handguns at the Fort Hood military base in an attack that left 12 people dead and 31 wounded. Authorities killed the gunman and apprehended two other soldiers in what appears to be the worst mass shooting at a U.S. military base.
There was no immediate word on a motive. The shooting began around 1:30 p.m., said Lt. Gen. Bob Cone at Fort Hood. He said all the casualties took place at the base's Soldier Readiness Center, where soldiers who are about to be deployed or who are returning undergo medical screening.
"It's a terrible tragedy. It's stunning," Cone said.
A law enforcement official identified the shooting suspect as Army Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan. The official said Hasan, believed to be in his late 30s, was killed after opening fire at the base. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the case publicly.
A defense official, also speaking on condition of anonymity, said Hasan was a mental health professional — an Army psychologist or psychiatrist. Officials say it was not clear what Hasan's religion was, but investigators are trying to determine if Hasan was his birth name or if he may have changed his name and converted to Islam at some point.
A graduation ceremony for soldiers who finished college courses while deployed was going on nearby at the time of the shooting, said Sgt. Rebekah Lampam, a Fort Hood spokeswoman.
Greg Schanepp, U.S. Rep. John Carter's regional director in Texas, was representing Carter at the graduation, said John Stone, a spokesman for Carter, whose district includes the Army post.
Schanepp was at the ceremony when a soldier who had been shot in the back came running toward him and alerted him of the shooting, Stone said. The soldier told Schanepp not to go in the direction of the shooter, he said.
The base was locked down after the shootings. The wounded were dispersed among hospitals in central Texas, Cone said. Nine were taken to Scott & White Memorial Hospital in Temple. A hospital spokeswoman says all had been shot and are adults. A Fort Hood spokesman said he could not immediately confirm any identities of the injured.
Lisa Pfund of Random Lake, Wis., says her daughter, 19-year-old Amber Bahr, was shot in the stomach but was in stable condition. "We know nothing, just that she was shot in the belly," Pfund told The Associated Press. She couldn't provide more details and only spoke with emergency personnel.
"I ask that all of you keep these families and these individuals in your prayers today," Texas Gov. Rick Perry said.
The shootings on the Texas military base stirred memories of other recent mass shootings in the United States, including 13 dead at a New York immigrant center in March, 10 killed during a gunman's rampage across Alabama in March and 32 killed in the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history at Virginia Tech in 2007.
Around the country, some bases stepped up security precautions, but no others were locked down.
"The bottom line for us is that we are increasing security at our gates because the threat hasn't yet been defined, and we're reminding our Marines to be vigilant in their areas of responsibility," said Capt. Rob Dolan, public affairs officer for the Marine Corps Air Station in Yuma, Ariz.
In Washington, President Barack Obama called the shooting "a horrific outburst of violence." He said it's a tragedy to lose a soldier overseas and even more horrifying when they come under fire at an Army base on American soil.
"We will make sure that we get answers to every single question about this horrible incident," the commander in chief said. "We are going to stay on this."
Covering 339 square miles, Fort Hood is the largest active duty armored post in the United States. Home to about 52,000 troops as of earlier this year, the sprawling base is located halfway between Austin and Waco.

About a mile from Fort Hood's east gate, Cynthia Thomas, director of Under the Hood Cafe, a coffee house and outreach center, was calling soldiers and friends on the post to make sure they're OK.
"It's chaotic," Thomas said, as a SWAT team just drove by. "The phones are jammed. Everybody is calling family members and friends. Soldiers are running around with M-16s."
Fort Hood officially opened on Sept. 18, 1942, and was named in honor of Gen. John Bell Hood. It has been continuously used for armored training and is charged with maintaining readiness for combat missions. ___

brett636 · 11-05-2009, 05:29 PM

Islam, the religion of violence strikes again...

toonertoo · 11-05-2009, 05:36 PM

Brett you meant the religion of peace?

brett636 · 11-05-2009, 05:43 PM

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Brett you meant the religion of peace?

If its the religion of peace then I am a liberal democrat.

Lue C Fur · 11-05-2009, 05:46 PM

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If its the religion of peace then I am a liberal democrat.

I think Obama when he was a child practiced Islam, then he became a christian and went to see his buddy reverand Wright.

Baba gounj · 11-05-2009, 06:32 PM

I expect the main media to spin this whole story around and make a hero out of the shooter; because they will claim that he had been tortured and called funny names by others resulting in a sudden snap. And his religion will have nothing to do with his actions.

Jones · 11-05-2009, 06:45 PM

Apparently the guy is still alive:

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Authorities said immediately after the shootings that they had killed the suspected shooter, but later in the evening they recanted and said that he was alive and in stable condition at a hospital, watched by a guard.

click

Dis-organized Labor · 11-05-2009, 07:00 PM

Regardless, it is a tragedy that the US cannot be fully prepared for.
The USAF has strict performance and "other" metrics that would typically exclude someone with any form of psychological anomalies (per their measures) to rise to the rank of Major.
It makes me wonder if the Moles weren't introduced decades ago.
I've never been one to worry about such things, but now I'm thinking.

MY prayers go to those killed and wounded, their Families and all of us.

Insanity!!

tieguy · 11-05-2009, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Dis-organized Labor

Regardless, it is a tragedy that the US cannot be fully prepared for.
The USAF has strict performance and "other" metrics that would typically exclude someone with any form of psychological anomalies (per their measures) to rise to the rank of Major.
It makes me wonder if the Moles weren't introduced decades ago.
I've never been one to worry about such things, but now I'm thinking.

MY prayers go to those killed and wounded, their Families and all of us.

Insanity!!

Thats a point that I've been pondering . The military job being what it is any stability issues this guy had should have shown up a long time ago. This guy being a doctor of psychiatry may have allowed him to float under the radar.
my prayers to those fine soldiers and their families who deserved much better.

brett636 · 11-05-2009, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by tieguy

Thats a point that I've been pondering . The military job being what it is any stability issues this guy had should have shown up a long time ago. This guy being a doctor of psychiatry may have allowed him to float under the radar.
my prayers to those fine soldiers and their families who deserved much better.

That is what I was about to state. Being a psychiatrist he may have not recieved the same level of scrutiny that someone else reaching that level in the military may have received.

Dis-organized Labor · 11-05-2009, 08:22 PM

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That is what I was about to state. Being a psychiatrist he may have not recieved the same level of scrutiny that someone else reaching that level in the military may have received.

Since 9/11, I think we're all in a state of suspicion.

I wonder about the Package Car Drivers!!!!! Why are they out so late????

Remember, I'm in the Airline and I've only had 1 day on a Car and that was back in 1988.

(I appreciate the work and profile the Car guys present. Don't think that my work group thinks any different)!!

Best Regards,

DOL

over9five · 11-05-2009, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by tieguy

Thats a point that I've been pondering . The military job being what it is any stability issues this guy had should have shown up a long time ago. This guy being a doctor of psychiatry may have allowed him to float under the radar.
my prayers to those fine soldiers and their families who deserved much better.

They had some guy on the radio that used to work with him. He made him sound like a mental case. Maybe someone should have spoken up? Sounds like this event could have been foreseen.

klein · 11-05-2009, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by over9five

They had some guy on the radio that used to work with him. He made him sound like a mental case. Maybe someone should have spoken up? Sounds like this event could have been foreseen.

I just watched my news.
Guess he made some really threatning comments online (facebook or something).
And, they were gonna question him about them.
Too late...
Guess, signs were there.

satellitedriver · 11-05-2009, 10:58 PM

PHD of psychology = Fruitcake.
In my experience, most that I have counseled with went into this field to try and understand why they are -(pardon the expression) ****ed up mentally.

Jones · 11-06-2009, 02:01 AM

I'm still waiting for the full report, but I'm getting the impression that focusing on his religion/ethnicity is probably misguided. It's starting to sound like he had some serious issues and just snapped. The idea that he was a "mole" is flat out ridiculous if you actually think about it for more than a minute.

moreluck · 11-06-2009, 02:36 AM

Jones, according to early reports this morning, they show that focusing on his conversion to Islam and his etnicity was right on!!! I will never forget !!!!!!!!!!!!! Bastards!

moreluck · 11-06-2009, 03:34 AM

The military paid for his entire education to be a psychiatrist and he's been looking for a way out of the Army.....ungrateful idiot !!

Well he found his way out and Allah eagerly awaits his arrival !!!

bbsam · 11-06-2009, 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by brett636

Islam, the religion of violence strikes again...

So, brett, do you think this is an insane act or is it just muslims being muslims?

Jones · 11-06-2009, 03:56 AM

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Jones, according to early reports this morning, they show that focusing on his conversion to Islam and his etnicity was right on!!! I will never forget !!!!!!!!!!!!! Bastards!

As near as I can tell there was no conversion, he was born a muslim.

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The military paid for his entire education to be a psychiatrist and he's been looking for a way out of the Army.....ungrateful idiot !!

Well he found his way out and Allah eagerly awaits his arrival !!!

That seems to have been his real issue. It also sounds like he was a social misfit with few, if any, friends.
It's possible that is all some Al-Qaeda plot, but really it sounds more like the guy had a lot of personal/mental problems and snapped.

over9five · 11-06-2009, 05:44 AM

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..... but really it sounds more like the guy had a lot of personal/mental problems and snapped.

I would agree. Boy, that doesn't say much for the psychiatric field tho. Here was a psychiatrist, who undoubtedly worked with other psychiatrists/doctors, and none of them noticed he was about to blow???

over9five · 11-06-2009, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by bbsam

So, brett, do you think this is an insane act or is it just muslims being muslims?

Nice line!

klein · 11-06-2009, 07:16 AM

Guess this says it all !

Gunman shouts 'Allahu Akbar'

Shooter screamed Arabic term for 'God is great!' before opening fire, say U.S. soldiers.» Motive for massacre unclear

Dis-organized Labor · 11-06-2009, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Jones

I'm still waiting for the full report, but I'm getting the impression that focusing on his religion/ethnicity is probably misguided. It's starting to sound like he had some serious issues and just snapped. The idea that he was a "mole" is flat out ridiculous if you actually think about it for more than a minute.

My only point is that conventional thinking may no longer be appropriate.
I don't really believe there is some long-term, well thought out "plan", but with what has happened in the last decade, anything (albeit bizarro) could be possible.

brett636 · 11-06-2009, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by bbsam

So, brett, do you think this is an insane act or is it just muslims being muslims?

A better way to put it is radical muslims being radical muslims, and although this kind of behavior is not normal for the majority of the muslims of the world you sure do hear a lot more crickets chirping than outrage amongst the muslim community over this behavior. Try to publish a cartoon of Muhammad though and you will get an earful from muslims across the world. Muslim outrage is only sparked when Islam itself is characterized or attacked on a large scale, like when a teacher allows her class to name a teddy bear muhammad, but the silence is deafening when the more radical members of that religion choose to do something like this. Its almost as though the people that make up the Islam faith quietly condone this behavior similar to the catholic church and its silence over pedophile preachers.

brett636 · 11-06-2009, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by over9five

I would agree. Boy, that doesn't say much for the psychiatric field tho. Here was a psychiatrist, who undoubtedly worked with other psychiatrists/doctors, and none of them noticed he was about to blow???

It seems there was some evidence pointing to that, but unfortunately the military acted too slowly to investigate it and now atleast 11 soldiers have paid the price for their leadership's lethargically slow investigative incompetence.