Immigration

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Originally Posted by moreluck

yeah, but I don't live "across the nation". I live in California.

Sucks for you. A local political radio talk show guy in my area talks about this allot. When someone mentions California he just says "California is done. Stick a fork in it.' Until our govt. can grow some balls and label these illegal alien gang bangers, (especially MS13), as terrorists we will never be able to take back California. That combined with a wall along the border. I keep seeing the wall being built on the news but I'm not sure how much of the border it will cover.

[govols019]

Doesn't matter. A wall won't work. All it would do is reroute the flow to other places.

The only thing that will stem the tide of illegals is to take away their reason for coming here. Go after the employers that are hiring them. Make the penalties high and be vigilant in enforcement.

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Originally Posted by govols019

Doesn't matter. A wall won't work. All it would do is reroute the flow to other places.

The only thing that will stem the tide of illegals is to take away their reason for coming here. Go after the employers that are hiring them. Make the penalties high and be vigilant in enforcement.

That won't work either because most of the time the employer doesn't know they are hiring an illegal alien. They are using good social security numbers that were sold to them and most employers don't have the means to verify that the person presenting the SSN is the actual person named on the card. A wall would work if it was built correctly.

[raceanoncr]

A wall? I like the comic Jake Johanson's idea:

"Burning river of gas!!!!!"

We could charge admission and make $ for the USA!!!!

[Sammie]

You gotta love this one:

Mexico admittedly has "tougher immigration laws in place than those being contemplated by the United States"...

Mexico's southern border is being overrun by hundreds of thousands of illegals from over two dozen countries, especially South America and Cuba. They're increasing the checkpoints along their highways, their military (didn't know they had a military!) is posted all across the border and their detention and deportation centers are at the bursting point. And they can't hire enough security police to take care of this problem....

They're also very concerned about the rise of immigrant smuggling and the increased incidents of abuse and attacks..... Really! Well, do I ever feel bad for them!!!!!!

And as we all know, Mexico demands that its citizens rights be protected when they illegally enter the United States, but the welfare of the immigrants who cross illegally into Mexico receive no such protection.

So on the one hand, the U.S. should tear down the fences that keeps the Mexican illegal aliens out, while on the other hand, Mexico uses its military to keep poor Guatemalans out of their own back yard.

This all makes sense to me!!!???!!!???

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Originally Posted by Sammie

You gotta love this one:

Mexico admittedly has "tougher immigration laws in place than those being contemplated by the United States"...

Mexico's southern border is being overrun by hundreds of thousands of illegals from over two dozen countries, especially South America and Cuba. They're increasing the checkpoints along their highways, their military (didn't know they had a military!) is posted all across the border and their detention and deportation centers are at the bursting point. And they can't hire enough security police to take care of this problem....

They're also very concerned about the rise of immigrant smuggling and the increased incidents of abuse and attacks..... Really! Well, do I ever feel bad for them!!!!!!

And as we all know, Mexico demands that its citizens rights be protected when they illegally enter the United States, but the welfare of the immigrants who cross illegally into Mexico receive no such protection.

So on the one hand, the U.S. should tear down the fences that keeps the Mexican illegal aliens out, while on the other hand, Mexico uses its military to keep poor Guatemalans out of their own back yard.

This all makes sense to me!!!???!!!???

Most of the illegals crossing into Mexico from countrys south of their border are only doing so because they are just passing through to get to the United States. Believe it or not, the more Mexico cracks down on their southern border the better off we are here. I crossed into Mexico plenty of times when I was in the military and stationed near there. It's amazing how we can enter Mexico at will but when returning to the States it's the total opposite.

[Sammie]

Originally Posted by big_arrow_up

Most of the illegals crossing into Mexico from countrys south of their border are only doing so because they are just passing through to get to the United States. Believe it or not, the more Mexico cracks down on their southern border the better off we are here. I crossed into Mexico plenty of times when I was in the military and stationed near there. It's amazing how we can enter Mexico at will but when returning to the States it's the total opposite.

Yes, that and per the radio news this a.m., their illegal problems are eager to snarf up the low paying jobs the Mexican people are leaving behind.

And our govt is all over them to continue their crack down for their sakes and for ours.

[Channahon]

Here's an example where immigrants feel they have rights in America, although not here legally.

Activists Protest Arrest Tactics
As CBS 2's Kristyn Hartman reports, the raid drew heated protests in the Little Village neighborhood on Tuesday, and those demonstrations continued outside the Dirksen Federal Building downtown on Wednesday.

But U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald said the arrests were a matter of national security.

The protesters complained about the use of SWAT teams and machine guns, and the sealing off of the discount mall. Fitzgerald said it was done for the safety of those nearby and the agents working on the case, because the people allegedly involved in the fake ID ring are dangerous.

He emphasized that he focus of the arrest was the fake ID ring rather than immigrants in general.

But many said they are offended by the display of force and the number of officers who conducted the operation in a shopping mall in the middle of the afternoon.

“This could've easily turned into a very explosive, deadly situation with the kinds of weapons on the street, with the number of troopers, enforcement officers,” said Dr. Juan Andrade of the U.S. Hispanic Leadership Institute.

Some protesters said the saw the arrests as an attack on the community. Many people complained that others who had nothing to do with counterfeiting were also arrested.

“They kind of targeted a whole bunch of people in a very large space and then kind of checked everybody for immigration status,” said civil rights attorney Chris Bergin. “That's not an American ideal.”

"We ask you to be with all of the families who've been agitated by this act of aggression in our community," an activist said during a protest on Tuesday.

They took issue with the show of force, and they way they said they were treated.

"They came out here and they had these big guns and they were looking for people under cars and in the stores," said witness Jesus Figueroa.

The local alderman also took issue with the methods used in the raid.

"It's a show of force. We believe it was done to intimidate this community. We can’t see it any other way," said Ald. George Cardenas (12th). "The number of people involved in this operation is just overwhelming."

Witnesses say up to 200 agents stormed the mall, locking it down and asking everyone inside and in the parking lot for IDs.

"(They were) selling illegal papers to immigrants so we can work, basically. That’s all we buy them for, is to work," said Little Village resident Luz Nolasco. "But apparently that’s against the law and God forbid we help America!"

A release said, "Their actions are clear – (to) disrespect our community and children and to intimidate us."

As CBS 2's Rafael Romo reports, the site of the operation looked like a ghost shopping mall Wednesday. Merchants say people are still terrified, especially those who witnessed the raids.

“And when they came in, looking to see if perhaps some of them had hidden inside here, that caused more panic; that caused more fear, with those machine guns walking around,” said merchant Rosanna Jimenez.

“This was not an effort to send any message to anyone other than those people who traffic and counterfeit documents, who make a living by exposing the vulnerability of our country,” Fitzgerald said.

Fitzgerald says he understands people's frustration, but agents have to go where crimes are being committed.

“We can't just say we're not going to arrest people ever in a shopping mall and we're not going to arrest people ever in the public streets if they're carrying out crimes in the public streets,” Fitzgerald said.

Immigration activists say the operation was an effort to intimidate people the week before an immigration rally planned for May 1.

But federal officials say the investigation into the counterfeiting ring started long ago and has nothing to do with the immigration debate.

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Originally Posted by Channahon

Here's an example where immigrants feel they have rights in America, although not here legally.

Activists Protest Arrest Tactics
As CBS 2's Kristyn Hartman reports, the raid drew heated protests in the Little Village neighborhood on Tuesday, and those demonstrations continued outside the Dirksen Federal Building downtown on Wednesday.

But U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald said the arrests were a matter of national security.

The protesters complained about the use of SWAT teams and machine guns, and the sealing off of the discount mall. Fitzgerald said it was done for the safety of those nearby and the agents working on the case, because the people allegedly involved in the fake ID ring are dangerous.

He emphasized that he focus of the arrest was the fake ID ring rather than immigrants in general.

But many said they are offended by the display of force and the number of officers who conducted the operation in a shopping mall in the middle of the afternoon.

“This could've easily turned into a very explosive, deadly situation with the kinds of weapons on the street, with the number of troopers, enforcement officers,” said Dr. Juan Andrade of the U.S. Hispanic Leadership Institute.

Some protesters said the saw the arrests as an attack on the community. Many people complained that others who had nothing to do with counterfeiting were also arrested.

“They kind of targeted a whole bunch of people in a very large space and then kind of checked everybody for immigration status,” said civil rights attorney Chris Bergin. “That's not an American ideal.”

"We ask you to be with all of the families who've been agitated by this act of aggression in our community," an activist said during a protest on Tuesday.

They took issue with the show of force, and they way they said they were treated.

"They came out here and they had these big guns and they were looking for people under cars and in the stores," said witness Jesus Figueroa.

The local alderman also took issue with the methods used in the raid.

"It's a show of force. We believe it was done to intimidate this community. We can’t see it any other way," said Ald. George Cardenas (12th). "The number of people involved in this operation is just overwhelming."

Witnesses say up to 200 agents stormed the mall, locking it down and asking everyone inside and in the parking lot for IDs.

"(They were) selling illegal papers to immigrants so we can work, basically. That’s all we buy them for, is to work," said Little Village resident Luz Nolasco. "But apparently that’s against the law and God forbid we help America!"

A release said, "Their actions are clear – (to) disrespect our community and children and to intimidate us."

As CBS 2's Rafael Romo reports, the site of the operation looked like a ghost shopping mall Wednesday. Merchants say people are still terrified, especially those who witnessed the raids.

“And when they came in, looking to see if perhaps some of them had hidden inside here, that caused more panic; that caused more fear, with those machine guns walking around,” said merchant Rosanna Jimenez.

“This was not an effort to send any message to anyone other than those people who traffic and counterfeit documents, who make a living by exposing the vulnerability of our country,” Fitzgerald said.

Fitzgerald says he understands people's frustration, but agents have to go where crimes are being committed.

“We can't just say we're not going to arrest people ever in a shopping mall and we're not going to arrest people ever in the public streets if they're carrying out crimes in the public streets,” Fitzgerald said.

Immigration activists say the operation was an effort to intimidate people the week before an immigration rally planned for May 1.

But federal officials say the investigation into the counterfeiting ring started long ago and has nothing to do with the immigration debate.

It is hard to believe that such force and resources would be used for a raid on a select few people that are selling IDs. They could have been busted by undercover agents easily. The SWAT team and other resources they used for that should be used to go take out the gangs, wether they are illegal aliens or not, and drug lords. Either way. I don't have a problem with the illegals that are just wanting work as long as they don't use govt. benefits. The guys selling the IDs are potentially dangerous because they could get IDs for terrorists. If it wasn't for that they'd be harmless. It's good to get them off the street though. Most illegals don't use fake IDs anyway. They usually buy real social security numbers and real IDs. And more often then not they buy them from the actual people they belong too. It's amazing what greed does to people. They are willing to risk their SSNs, which could mean bad credit, and their names. But believe it or not most illegals don't use the numbers for credit. Unless they are just unbelievably stupid.

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by moreluck

The quote of the year!

"The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration."


Try this experiment.

Put a bird feeder in your yard and fill it with bird seed. It doesn't take long before the birds learn that a free meal is in the offing.
They come by the hundreds.

Now, empty the feeder. What happens? No more birds.

Take away the free medical care. Take away the free schooling. Take away
the free welfare. Take away the jobs. What happens?

No more illegals. WOW!! What a simple solution!

No need for a border fence at the cost of hundreds of millions of tax
dollars.

Do you think this could work?

Don't forget to take away the citizenship of children born here illegally. the idea we reward them for their mother performing an illegal act is rediculous.

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Originally Posted by tieguy

Don't forget to take away the citizenship of children born here illegally. the idea we reward them for their mother performing an illegal act is rediculous.

I don't think children should have to pay for their parent's mistakes.

[ballyhood]

Here is one about what illeegals are doing to America
Vanguard News Network � Blog Archive � Illegal Aliens Trash America

[Jones]

I thought this story was rather interesting:

Don Larsen, chairman of legislative District 65 for the Utah County Republican Party, had submitted a resolution warning that Satan’s minions want to eliminate national borders and do away with sovereignty. In a speech at the convention, Larsen told those gathered that illegal immigrants “hate American people” and “are determined to destroy this country, and there is nothing they won’t do.”
Illegal aliens are in control of the media, and working in tandem with Democrats, are trying to “destroy Christian America” and replace it with “a godless new world order — and that is not extremism, that is fact,” Larsen said. […]
Republican officials then allowed speakers to defend and refute the resolution. One speaker, who was identified as “Joe,” said illegal immigrants were Marxist and under the influence of the devil. Another, who declined to give her name to the Daily Herald, said illegal immigrants should not be allowed because “they are not going to become Republicans….”

[moreluck]

This entire piece was attributed to Robin Williams.......however, according to Snopes.com, he only added the blurb after #10.

1) "The US will apologize to the world for our "interference" in their affairs, past &present. You know, Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Tojo,
Noriega, Milosevic, Hussein, and the rest of those "good ole boys", we will
never "interfere" again.



2) We will withdraw our troops from all over the world, starting
with Germany , South Korea , the Middle East, and the Philippines . They
don't want us there. We would station troops at our borders. No oneallowed sneaking through holes in the fence.



3) All illegal aliens have 90 days to get their affairs together and
leave.We'll give them a free trip home. After 90 days the remainder will
be gathered up and deported immediately, regardless of whom or where they
. They're illegal!!! France will welcome them.


4)All future visitors will be thoroughly checked and limited to 90 days unless given a special permit!!!! No one from a terrorist nation will
be allowed in. If you don't like it there, change it yourself and don't hide here. Asylum would never be available
to anyone. We don't need any more cab drivers or 7-11 cashiers.


5) No foreign "students" over age 21. The older ones are the bombers. If they don't attend classes, they get a "D" and it's back home
baby.

6) The US will make a strong effort
to become self-sufficient energy wise. This will include developing nonpolluting sources of energy but will require a temporary drilling of oil
in the Alaskan wilderness. The caribou will have to cope for a while


7) Offer Saudi Arabia and other oil producing countries $10 a barrel for their oil. If they don't like it, we go someplace else. They can go
somewhere else to sell their production. (About a week of the wells
filling up the storage sites would be enough.)


8) If there is a famine or other natural catastrophe in the world,
we will not "interfere." They can pray to Allah or whomever, for seeds,
rain, cement or whatever they need. Besides most of what we give them is stolen or given to the army. The people who need it most get very little, if anything.


9) Ship the UN Headquarters to an isolated island someplace. We don't need the spies and fair weather friends here. Besides, the building
would make a good homeless shelter or lockup for illegal aliens.


10) All Americans must go to charm and beauty school. That way, no
one can call us "Ugly Americans" any longer. The Language we speak is
ENGLISH...learn it...or LEAVE...Now, isn't that a winner of a plan?


"The Statue of Liberty is no longer
saying "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses." She's
got a baseball bat and she's yelling, 'you want a piece of me?' "

[moreluck]

So often, we get caught up in a debate over political semantics and end up
ignoring the hard-shell realities of what we're talking about.

According to <http://immigrationcounters.com/> immigrationCounters.com,

Here are some of the realities that Flake-Gutierrez Bill would airbrush out of the picture:

Number of Illegal Aliens in the Country
20,807,645

Money Wired to Mexico City since January, 2006
$22,213,001,672.00

Cost of Social Security Services for Illegal Aliens since 1996
$397,450,739,563.00

Number of C hildren of Illegal Aliens in Public Schools
3,958,789

Cost of Illegal Aliens in K-12 Since 1996:
$13, 965,063,431.00

Number of Illegal Aliens Incarcerated
332,594

Cost of Incarcerations Since 2001
$1,398,127,429.00

Number of Illegal Aliens Fugitives
642,799

Skilled Jobs Taken by Illegal Aliens
9,872,838

Figures can trick your eyes.
Take particular note that items 2,3,5, and 7 reflect BILLION not millions
of dollars and that item 3 exceeds one-t hi rd of a TRILLION dollars.

Can you imagine how much it will cost taxpayers if we triple the number of
Illegals entering t hi s country!!

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So, What's in a Billion?.......

Granted................. this is from the US !

The next time you hear a politician use the word "billion" in a casual
manner, think about whether you want the "politicians" spending your tax
money.

A billion is a difficult number to comprehend, but one advertising agency
did a good job of putting that figure into some perspective in one of its
releases.

A. A billion seconds ago it was 1959.

B. A billion minutes ago Jesus was alive.

C. A billion hours ago our ancestors were living in the Stone Age.

D. A billion days ago no-one walked on the earth on two feet.

E. A billion dollars ago was only 8 hours and 20 minutes, at the rate our
government is spending it.

While this thought is still fresh in our brain, let's take a look at New
Orleans . It's amazing what you can learn with some simple division . .

Louisiana Senator, Mary Landrieu (D), is presently asking the Congress for
$250 BILLION to rebuild New Orleans . Interesting number, what does it
mean?

a. Well, if you are one of 484,674 residents of New Orleans (every man,
woman, child), y ou each get $516,528.

b. Or, if you have one of the 188,251 homes in New Orleans , your home
gets
$1,329,787.

c. Or, if you are a family of four, your family gets $2,066,012.

Washington , DC . .... HELLO!!! ... Are all your calculators broken??

This is too true.........And these numbers don't lie.........and, it's not funny!!!

WHAT AN EYE-OPENER!

[brazenbrown]

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More amazing numbers that will blow you away.

[hoser]

Originally Posted by moreluck

Interesting....this is from way back in 1907....

Theodore Roosevelt's ideas on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN in 1907. "In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because o f creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

Theodore Roosevelt 1907

I really disagree with this. You need balance, and there is none here. The great thing about the USA is individualism and freedom to expression, and this statement just goes against that. I love the USA because a Egyptian can immigrate to the USA and call himself an American. That can never happen in France.

Let the Immigrants come, let them call themselves American, but don't say that they should shed their identity. That they shouldn't wear hajibs, they shouldn't speak Japanese, and that they're 'disloyal' because of this.

A lot of these people that immigrate here WANT the American way of life, but it's pretentious/European to say that they should forget their roots in this paradigm of "pledging allegiance". This is nothing but a Dutch style of immigration, which is simply backwards and un-American.

Originally Posted by solitarysiren

We're quite a melting pot now.

You think? The USA anthem was sung in Spanish and I didn't see it as more of a headline for more than a week. Do that in Europe and elections would be based on that issue. Mexicans can go around the street in Houston waving the Mexican flag without a second glance. You can't do that in Sweden.

USA is a Mosaik IMO. They say Canada is, and I don't see much difference between the integration of immigrants in these cultures.

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Originally Posted by hoser

I really disagree with this. You need balance, and there is none here. The great thing about the USA is individualism and freedom to expression, and this statement just goes against that. I love the USA because a Egyptian can immigrate to the USA and call himself an American. That can never happen in France.

Let the Immigrants come, let them call themselves American, but don't say that they should shed their identity. That they shouldn't wear hajibs, they shouldn't speak Japanese, and that they're 'disloyal' because of this.

A lot of these people that immigrate here WANT the American way of life, but it's pretentious/European to say that they should forget their roots in this paradigm of "pledging allegiance". This is nothing but a Dutch style of immigration, which is simply backwards and un-American.


You think? The USA anthem was sung in Spanish and I didn't see it as more of a headline for more than a week. Do that in Europe and elections would be based on that issue. Mexicans can go around the street in Houston waving the Mexican flag without a second glance. You can't do that in Sweden.

USA is a Mosaik IMO. They say Canada is, and I don't see much difference between the integration of immigrants in these cultures.

Immigration is such as touchy issue. My wife is an illegal alien (not for much longer though) and it's still a little frustrating at times. She doesnt recieve govt. benefits. Nor has she commited any crimes other than crossing the border many years ago. I don't fault them for going to such extremes, such as traveling through the desert, dealing with Coyotes, murderers, rapists, and the crooked Mexican Army, just to come here and take manual labor jobs. Many people say "I just want them to do it legaly" but I know that many that say that don't really care about the legality of it. It's more of a class issue. They see these people as a threat to their middle and upper class way of life. They simply don't wan't third worlders in their neighborhoods. It's funny because they arent even trying to move into these areas. The illegals tend to move into areas that were already resembling third world countrys because it's cheaper. They aren't a threat to the middle and upper class. The only reason they'll ever see an illegal in their areas is if they call for a landscaper or carpenter. LOL.

Even as a husband of an an illegal immigrant I must say there are waaay too many and it's our govt's fault as much as it is their fualt. Stop the flow of govt funds and stop the gangs and what we will be left with is workers. Gangs such as MS13 could have been stopped years ago but we dropped the ball on that one too. I could go on and on about this but it's such as touchy issue it doesn't really matter what one says. People already have their minds made up.

[cheryl]

Originally Posted by brazenbrown

Immigration by the numbers

More amazing numbers that will blow you away.

OMG, if the guy in that video has his numbers right it's pretty scary... I'd never heard it explained that way before but living here in CA that certainly is how it seems to be going.

[hoser]

Originally Posted by big_arrow_up

Immigration is such as touchy issue. My wife is an illegal alien (not for much longer though) and it's still a little frustrating at times. She doesnt recieve govt. benefits. Nor has she commited any crimes other than crossing the border many years ago. I don't fault them for going to such extremes, such as traveling through the desert, dealing with Coyotes, murderers, rapists, and the crooked Mexican Army, just to come here and take manual labor jobs. Many people say "I just want them to do it legaly" but I know that many that say that don't really care about the legality of it. It's more of a class issue. They see these people as a threat to their middle and upper class way of life. They simply don't wan't third worlders in their neighborhoods. It's funny because they arent even trying to move into these areas. The illegals tend to move into areas that were already resembling third world countrys because it's cheaper. They aren't a threat to the middle and upper class. The only reason they'll ever see an illegal in their areas is if they call for a landscaper or carpenter. LOL.

Even as a husband of an an illegal immigrant I must say there are waaay too many and it's our govt's fault as much as it is their fualt. Stop the flow of govt funds and stop the gangs and what we will be left with is workers. Gangs such as MS13 could have been stopped years ago but we dropped the ball on that one too. I could go on and on about this but it's such as touchy issue it doesn't really matter what one says. People already have their minds made up.

yuh huh.

like the iraq thing, you're damned if you do, damned if you don't.

[brazenbrown]

Originally Posted by hoser

I really disagree with this. You need balance, and there is none here. The great thing about the USA is individualism and freedom to expression, and this statement just goes against that. I love the USA because a Egyptian can immigrate to the USA and call himself an American. That can never happen in France.

Where does the freedom of expression get duped? Becoming an American does not interfere with your freedom of expression, in fact with freedom of speech you have all kinds of way to express yourself you might not have had before. To assimilate into a society effectively as an immigrant you must abide by that Country's rules.

My goodness we have China town, little Italy, Korea Town...ect..ect. Wouldn't you say that that is freedom of expression?? These places are hardly discriminated against. In fact they are adored for the different experiences and flourish because of their melting pot expressions we so enjoy.

Anyone who comes to America has the option to go back to where they came from if they're not happy with the way they are able to express themselves here.

Let the Immigrants come, let them call themselves American, but don't say that they should shed their identity. That they shouldn't wear hajibs, they shouldn't speak Japanese, and that they're 'disloyal' because of this.

Immigrants or at least their head of household should be required to speak the language of this Country, ENGLISH. We already print out directions, post signs, make on announcements, etc in several different languages. That should only be temporary until they assimilate into our society and have made an effort to learn the language.

A lot of these people that immigrate here WANT the American way of life, but it's pretentious/European to say that they should forget their roots in this paradigm of "pledging allegiance". This is nothing but a Dutch style of immigration, which is simply backwards and un-American.

If their roots are so important than what the hell are they here for?
As mentioned above nobody is invading China Town and telling them to go back to China now are they??? People can and do freely express themselves. America also has freedom of religion, this is the land of the free..

You think? The USA anthem was sung in Spanish and I didn't see it as more of a headline for more than a week. Do that in Europe and elections would be based on that issue. Mexicans can go around the street in Houston waving the Mexican flag without a second glance. You can't do that in Sweden.

I beg to differ...Some of the ungrateful Illegal aliens did that here in Los Angeles their first march and quickly got educated on the Political Correctness of that blunder and ever since have been using American Flags. What a disgrace to America to have illegals parading around like they have rights. After all they broke the law to get here.

You see, it's not a racist thing or a I hate immigrant's thing. It's a number's thing (too many people, too fast) and when you come to this Country Illegally, break the law and feel entitled to have anchor babies, smuggle drugs, clog up our emergency rooms, create over crowding problems in our schools, don't pay your fair share of taxes and send home billions of American dollars, and then have the nerve to hold up a Mexican flag like this is freaking Mexico.. that's just not cool in fact it's loco!!

If we don't control the way this is going then we will just end up another poor third world country... Then maybe we'll have to migrate somewhere else if there's any place left.

USA is a Mosaik IMO. They say Canada is, and I don't see much difference between the integration of immigrants in these cultures.

The Mosaik needs some time to get it's crap together (too many people Illegal and Legal too fast) so it can remain a beautiful and desirable Country for many years to come.

[moreluck]

The ILLEGAL immigrants put such a strain on our systems that the REAL citizens don't get much needed services.

I've seen reductions in college tuition for aliens and then the kids that live in state are paying out the nose for a college education......OR....they aren't going because they can't afford it.

If all of our systems weren't so strained, there would be enough $$$ for free medical care for all REAL citizens and free college education too for anyone who wanted one.

It's messed up!

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All the money the govt wastes on illegal aliens would still be wasted on something else if they weren't here. So...why worry about it? LOL.

[SeniorGeek]

From The Wall Street Journal, in an editorial by Peggy Noonan:

This White House thinks its base is stupid and that its heart is in the wrong place.

For almost three years, arguably longer, conservative Bush supporters have felt like sufferers of battered wife syndrome. You don't like endless gushing spending, the kind that assumes a high and unstoppable affluence will always exist, and the tax receipts will always flow in? Too bad! You don't like expanding governmental authority and power? Too bad. You think the war was wrong or is wrong? Too bad.

But on immigration it has changed from "Too bad" to "You're bad." The president has taken to suggesting that opponents of his immigration bill are unpatriotic--they "don't want to do what's right for America." His ally Sen. Lindsey Graham has said, "We're gonna tell the bigots to shut up." On Fox last weekend he vowed to "push back." Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff suggested opponents would prefer illegal immigrants be killed; Commerce Secretary Carlos Gutierrez said those who oppose the bill want "mass deportation." Former Bush speechwriter Michael Gerson said those who oppose the bill are "anti-immigrant" and suggested they suffer from "rage" and "national chauvinism."

The entire editorial is at: http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pnoonan/ (this link points to her most-recent column, so it will not last)

I do not agree with all she says, but I am glad that someone in the mainstream media is recognizing that the GOP has been hijacked.

Now conservatives and Republicans are going to have to win back their party. They are going to have to break from those who have already broken from them. This will require courage, serious thinking and an ability to do what psychologists used to call letting go. This will be painful, but it's time. It's more than time.

[wkmac]

BrazenBrown,

Nice link my friend. Sometime back I saw a piece on TV about immigration (both legal and illegal) and the suggestion at the time was that the core or "Stock" population to use Mr. Beck's terms was going negative and the influx was what was moving the US total population forward. Mr. Beck's numbers seem to suggest this very thing although his threashhold seems another 20 years out and maybe his numbers are right or I misheard the other guy as this problem being more contemporary.

His examples I must admit do catch your attention but one thing I've noticed in the video as I have in real life. Both White and Black Americans are growing more and more concerned about this issue. Ironic that such an issue might end up a galvaning force to bring these 2 groups together in the political and social realm. At the same time I think now we are beginning to see how the American Indian must have felt 400 years ago and the regret they must feel now that they didn't kill the pilgrims. IMO, we owe the American Indian such a huge debt of gratitude that we will never be able to repay.

I also think it sad that from the posts above the only one to watch it was Cheryl. I think had the others done the same the following posts would have been about the video link instead of taking pop shots at one another.

Thanks again Brazen. Very nice Job!