http://www.browncafe.com/forum/ United Parcel Service Labor and Union Issues en Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:37:41 GMT vBulletin 60 http://www.browncafe.com/forum/images/misc/rss.jpg http://www.browncafe.com/forum/ http://www.browncafe.com/forum/ups_labor_relations/284965-workers_keep_working_slackers_keep-new-post.html Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:47:07 GMT So i have afew questions on the aspect of harrassment and rights;

aparently i 'miss sorted' some boxes and i do not believe that, the scanner(s) normally tell me whether or not this parcel is good to go or it is supposed to be in another area. the only people who can help this issue (which i now know) are the clerks who do the auditing. yet their saying it is my fault the first time, said a supervisor and i signed off on it and let it be, and now the hub manager is telling me that if i don't start pulling my weight, i am going to be reprimanded. pretty much an ultimatum (which he doesn't believe it is)

Is this not classified as harrassment?
and if not can i be reprimanded for this?
and if so, can i grieve this?

I don't think that i should be held responsible for everyone elses responsibilities. ]]> UPS Labor Relations dwaver http://www.browncafe.com/forum/ups_labor_relations/284965-workers_keep_working_slackers_keep.html http://www.browncafe.com/forum/ups_labor_relations/284925-option_days_screwed_over_again-new-post.html Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:15:03 GMT Hey everybody I've been working for Ups preload since May of 2008.(hired under the old contract)
I requested my two option days last week. They gave them to me. I get my paycheck this week only to find out that i was only paid for 3 days last week. I ask where is my option day pay, and management said I had none to begin with so now im broke and dont have enough for my car insurance yay.

My question is when do you get your option days so this never happens again. This will be the third time ive been screwed over in a year.
The first was when i turned someone in who was stealing computers and flat screens on a regular basis, I thought i would recieve a reward only to find out that because they did not prosecute him I recieve nothing not even a pat on the back.

The next was when I went from unloading down to preloading and then went back to unloading after a month or two they took the extra dollar an hour I was making away from me. There reasoning for this was that I had to sign a bid sheet. Well heres the thing there wasnt even a bid sheet for the spot in the first place.

Somebody help. ]]> UPS Labor Relations ihateups http://www.browncafe.com/forum/ups_labor_relations/284925-option_days_screwed_over_again.html http://www.browncafe.com/forum/ups_labor_relations/284852-helpers_paying_union_dues-new-post.html Thu, 19 Nov 2009 04:33:09 GMT Has anyone ever heard of helpers paying union dues? I know we didn't do it 2 years ago, but applying for this year I signed a union card and an agreement to pay the initiation fee and monthly dues.

What's the point of being in a union for a temporary job? Where's the benefit for the helpers? ]]> UPS Labor Relations aviationwiz http://www.browncafe.com/forum/ups_labor_relations/284852-helpers_paying_union_dues.html http://www.browncafe.com/forum/ups_labor_relations/284817-progressive_discipline-new-post.html Thu, 19 Nov 2009 00:46:09 GMT Here's something I have recently observed...Driver was issued a warning letter for violation "A" (lets say it was a open bulk head door) on such an such date. A few weeks later driver was observed violating "A" again twice in one day . So CM tell the diver you are going to suspend you for the second violation and terminate you for the third violation. Suspended and terminated in the same day?:dissapointed: ]]> UPS Labor Relations RKYMNTBROWN http://www.browncafe.com/forum/ups_labor_relations/284817-progressive_discipline.html http://www.browncafe.com/forum/ups_labor_relations/284775-paycheck_paystub_acronyms-new-post.html Wed, 18 Nov 2009 18:03:34 GMT was just wondering if anyone can shed some light to these acronyms at the bottom of my stub. Vac im assuming is vacation but the other 3 have me... was just wondering if anyone can shed some light to these acronyms at the bottom of my stub. Vac im assuming is vacation but the other 3 have me stumped, which are OPD, OPW, and OTH.


Thanks in advance
Frunas ]]> UPS Labor Relations Frunas http://www.browncafe.com/forum/ups_labor_relations/284775-paycheck_paystub_acronyms.html http://www.browncafe.com/forum/ups_labor_relations/284624-how_long_should_you_wait_get_signed_when_you_forget_lose_id-new-post.html Tue, 17 Nov 2009 23:45:04 GMT So I dropped my ID at the hub on Friday so Monday night I had to sign in at the guard shack and wait for a manager to show up and sign me in. I... So I dropped my ID at the hub on Friday so Monday night I had to sign in at the guard shack and wait for a manager to show up and sign me in. I waited for 1 1/2 hours and left after no one showed up. Security called up multiple times and all they would get was "they're on there way"". I find it ridiculous that they would make anyone wait that long just to get signed in. I even called my area from the guard shack to let them know I was leaving and of course they didn't answer and now I'm going to get a no call for this bs. I'm a preloader by the way. ]]> UPS Labor Relations notlim http://www.browncafe.com/forum/ups_labor_relations/284624-how_long_should_you_wait_get_signed_when_you_forget_lose_id.html http://www.browncafe.com/forum/ups_labor_relations/284613-after_christmas_preload_changes-new-post.html Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:51:58 GMT I heard from the grapevine that this might happen, no guarantees yet though and it sounds like something that was just mentioned as a possibility to... I heard from the grapevine that this might happen, no guarantees yet though and it sounds like something that was just mentioned as a possibility to PT sups. Not sure if this is specific to our building or some or all or what. I heard that after Christmas the start time for the preload could be pushed back about an hour and the preloaders will go from loading 3 trucks to 4. I assume this would mean that 1 out of every 3/4 preloaders will be let go since 3 people will then be doing the work of 4 people. So that would mean 1 or 2 people per belt let go. This past year preloaders at our building did 3 trucks in 3.5 hours so 70 minutes each, but an extra hour woud only mean this 4th truck would only get 60 minutes to load. Has anyone else heard anything about this? ]]> UPS Labor Relations konsole http://www.browncafe.com/forum/ups_labor_relations/284613-after_christmas_preload_changes.html http://www.browncafe.com/forum/ups_labor_relations/284343-article_7_52_grievance_info_experience_getting_job_back-new-post.html Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:24:29 GMT Just want to get some input on the topic of wrongful termination. I was let go for job abandonment. To keep this short. I have a bad back. Doc.... Just want to get some input on the topic of wrongful termination. I was let go for job abandonment. To keep this short. I have a bad back. Doc. had me off work until further notice. Was getting treated, but then my insurance canceled my coverage. Fought with the insurance company for several months before they started to cover me again. This took about 7 months to play out. The time I was not covered my the insurance, I couldn't go to the doctor because I could not afford treatment. In that time period waiting I was let go.

The grievance has been filed. Just waiting on a hearing. Does anyone know the success of filing on these articles? Been a part timer of 14yrs. Hope I can get my job back. Any tips going into the hearing to help my cause? Thanks ]]> UPS Labor Relations soundwave802002 http://www.browncafe.com/forum/ups_labor_relations/284343-article_7_52_grievance_info_experience_getting_job_back.html http://www.browncafe.com/forum/ups_labor_relations/284187-ups_top_pay_vs_usps_top_pay-new-post.html Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:52:13 GMT I was just wondering who makes more an hour, a ups driver or a usps mail carrier? I know a ups driver makes 30 bucks an hour top pay after three... I was just wondering who makes more an hour, a ups driver or a usps mail carrier? I know a ups driver makes 30 bucks an hour top pay after three years of driving. which is awesome pay for the hard work. And the post office starts a part time Rural carrier about 18.24 an hour to start. I don't know how much a full time carrier makes. Anyone know? I was recently hired on as an RCA for the post office and am waiting my turn to be a driver at my ups station. I think I have two great options but eventually I will have to choose one or the other. Would be nice if there were two of me. anyone know where i can get myself cloned? :funny: ]]> UPS Labor Relations flip33 http://www.browncafe.com/forum/ups_labor_relations/284187-ups_top_pay_vs_usps_top_pay.html http://www.browncafe.com/forum/ups_labor_relations/283548-part_timer_has_taken_feeder_driver_hours-new-post.html Fri, 13 Nov 2009 06:50:03 GMT I pick up ground pkgs at a customer cpu account, I have to scan every pkg and then load into a trailer. UPS moved my start time forward so I can do... I pick up ground pkgs at a customer cpu account, I have to scan every pkg and then load into a trailer. UPS moved my start time forward so I can do feeder work. Then UPS hired this part-timer off the street to do the scanning and loading. This has to be a contract violation! I always thought ground freight was off limits to Part-timers. This kid drives to the cpu in his personal vehicle in a set of browns and works 3.5 hours then drives home. He isn't moving any trailers. What article can I file under? ]]> UPS Labor Relations greenbean1 http://www.browncafe.com/forum/ups_labor_relations/283548-part_timer_has_taken_feeder_driver_hours.html http://www.browncafe.com/forum/ups_labor_relations/283259-banner_plane-new-post.html Thu, 12 Nov 2009 07:03:08 GMT On word of mouth info I heard today it seems the Teamsters, and I am assuming it was Local 177, hired a banner plane to fly past the Edison building... On word of mouth info I heard today it seems the Teamsters, and I am assuming it was Local 177, hired a banner plane to fly past the Edison building in NJ yesterday. I was told that Bloomberg was doing a news piece at the time on UPS and may have caught the plane on camera. The banner supposedly accused the company of being unsafe.

I believe it was last year that Local 177 bought billboard space off the NJ Turnpike that also accused the company of being unsafe.

I did a web search for more info but came up with zilch. ]]> UPS Labor Relations JimJimmyJames http://www.browncafe.com/forum/ups_labor_relations/283259-banner_plane.html http://www.browncafe.com/forum/ups_labor_relations/283156-wondering_what_article_i_can_file_grievance_warning_letter-new-post.html Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:59:50 GMT Wandering what article in the contract I can file a grievance on warning letter,intentent to suspend letter,or termination letter? Just wanting to... Wandering what article in the contract I can file a grievance on warning letter,intentent to suspend letter,or termination letter?
Just wanting to know for future reference,any help would be great!!!


And No I've never been wrote up in any way...I promise...lol:happy-very:

Thanks ]]> UPS Labor Relations xr7cougar67 http://www.browncafe.com/forum/ups_labor_relations/283156-wondering_what_article_i_can_file_grievance_warning_letter.html http://www.browncafe.com/forum/ups_labor_relations/282855-pt_supervisor_promotion_withdrawn-new-post.html Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:30:03 GMT I've been working for UPS for over 3 years now, and recently was given from the hub (800 employees) I worked at to a center (150-200 employees?) here out east.

Where I worked before, I had a pretty good record. CERC, safety committee, showed up everyday on time (occasional car problem or final exam being the exception). I left there with the permission of the sort manager and a number of PT sups to list as a personal reference. And I got approved for the transfer, on grounds that I understand are extremely difficult to get approved for (part-time educational).

After a few weeks at the new center, I thought it may be a good idea to put in for a promotion. They had a number of PT sup vacancies that nobody had even applied for. Turns out they'd been firing employees left and right for an issue which seemed to be a necessary issue for fire somebody over.

So I put in my promotion packet. Came back a couple weeks later, scored high (4s and 5s) on all their criteria for an average of 4.5 (3.5 being needed).

So now onto the issues and observations.

A week before I'd put in my packet, an employee in our area was promoted to PT supervisor of that same area (former PT sup was fired... as I understand was "lax" and "complacent" and not doing a good job after a few years running the same area).

What struck me first was that there was no training for this PT sup. He was an hourly on Friday, PT sup on Monday. IIRC correctly, at the hub I came from, there was intensive classroom training for new PT sups. On top of that, he went directly from being a preloader to PT sup in charge of 10 people with only the weekend in between. At the hub, there was generally a period of a few months at minimum where new PT sups are assigned the task of training new hourlys 1-on-1 before even being considered being given the responsibility of supervising an entire area. Also, in the 7 months he worked there, he apparently took off every Wed. for 5-6 months then started showing up everyday so he could get promoted.

From the first day this new PT sup was promoted, he started riding me about every conceivable minor thing one can think of.

It generally went like this:

Don't you wanna be a supervisor?
I thought you wanted to get promoted?
Man, you're never going to get promoted if you keep doing this!
Whether or not you get promoted depends on what I tell them!

This all from a guy who's days on the job could be counted on two hands. Finally, I got sick of hearing this dozens upon dozens of times and said that no, I didn't want to be a supervisor, and that I'd be quitting for a full-time job w/benefits. He said he's going to have to tell the FT about this, says, "man, that was an ignorant-ass comment, when I go and get him, just tell him you just got frustrated." I give the FTer a BS reason why I said it, but the next day, I had it with the PTer again. Asked me three times to do something that was unsafe. Namely, loading a package car that was 95% full with a very narrow aisle while he occupied just about all of it. "Just move around me", he says. I said three times, "I don't feel that's safe." PTer asks me what's with my attitude, and I'm like OK, I'll tell him what's with my attitude. FTer just happens to be coming by, and the PTer tells me to tell him what I was just about to say. Started talking about the above stuff that's italicized. PTer says "I just wanted him to load". FTer pulls PTer aside, don't know what was said, then went back to work.

There were times such as when I slipped into my old midnight trailer loader mentality and when was told to help another preloader, I loaded his package car for him (which I guess I'm not supposed to do). I'd hear stuff like this: "let me ask you something: whose the supervisor?" I say, "sorry, I just thought I'd help him, it slipped my mind, I'll stack." "No, I just asked you, whose the supervisor?" "I said I'll stack!" "Man, I just asked you a question, whose the supervisor?. I got real short.

A couple of these situations were talked about with the FTer. Not the safety issue, which got drowned out with the others. Basically what was said is "well [PT] is our supervisor for this area, I'm going to have to trust his judgment". Well, when they called me about the MAPP on Thursday, I waited an hour before the the scheduled time and told them to talk to the FTer and let them go with that. I didn't want to even bother taking it. I don't feel that I'm going to be staying there much longer in any capacity. I left the hub (which was a very well-run place) with the sort manager as a personal reference, served as CERC, safety committee member, had great attendance and work attitude, advised the PTers on how to smoothly run the area, have a B.A. on top of that, and at this center, I'm getting ridden on a daily basis by a PTer, maybe 19 or 20, who acts like a high schooler, who seems scraped from the bottom of the barrel. ]]> UPS Labor Relations ironman419 http://www.browncafe.com/forum/ups_labor_relations/282855-pt_supervisor_promotion_withdrawn.html http://www.browncafe.com/forum/ups_labor_relations/282553-discharge_letters_flying_like_confetti-new-post.html Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:02:24 GMT Welcome to the new UPS. Discharge letters are flying like confetti in our feeder dept. every driver who gets in an accident gets a dischrge... Welcome to the new UPS. Discharge letters are flying like confetti in our feeder dept.

every driver who gets in an accident gets a dischrge letter. no progressives anymore.

7 drivers have been fired here in the last 2 weeks. ( I mean discharged )

What is going On????????

Glad i am a short timer with less than 6 months to go. You can have and enjoy this BS.

Is this Nationwide ? ]]> UPS Labor Relations orangputeh http://www.browncafe.com/forum/ups_labor_relations/282553-discharge_letters_flying_like_confetti.html