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[klein]

I think that all the socialist left wingers who love big goverment to take care of them should move to Canada and hang out with Klein...and all the hardworking people who want limited goverment, less taxes, and great healthcare should come to America. Also, all who go to Canada can even take Obama as a parting gift.

Just remember who started this Recession!
Bush and the conservatives !
Let banks, wall street, do anything they wanted. Like selling homes to the unemployed, or Mac D workers. People that couldn't afford them in the first place.
The Canadian banks on the other hand, stayed solid, and set an example to the world. No housing crunch here, either.
If you haven't seen how the private sector really works.... what about AIG? Needed billions in bail out, and yet handed the CEO and excusitives millions of bonuses. More then Obama earns, well, so does Scott Davis.

Then we all bitch when gas prices go up on the pump.... and every gas station the same hr, if not the same minute.
Nice private sector there , too.
I'm from an oil province, (Texas north), and maybe even the Texans might agree with me on this one :
That the state bulids and owns it's very own refinerie, and competes with the private firms, such as Exxon, Shell, etc.
One thing forsure, we wouldn't see them raising prices simutaniosly, as the others do.
Give them a run for the money, and every profit made, goes back to the citizens of Texas. (oil companies do make huge profit).

In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with regulations that protect the consumer and the countries economy.
You may consider that of "taken care of", but privately owned companies, are just out there to make a buck, and if they could, they wouldn't even have the safety or enviromental issues adressed, without government ordering them it's a MUST.

Maybe it's just fluke, but it sure is odd, that the socialist countries, esspecially Norway, Sweden, Finnland are getting richer, while the US has been getting poorer since Clinton left office ? Even Canada caught up big time. (however, I don't call Canada being socialist), we are far behind from Europeans in that matter.
Your rich UPS pension plans for example, are totally unheard of here. OK, thats private..... but in a way very social for companies to do so there.

Another example is GM and Chrysler. Why did they declare bankruptcy in the US and not in Canada ?
Your answer : Because we are too social, eh ?

The US bails out companies and banks, but thats not being social. Only social if you bail out the people (workers and/or consumers) that got effected by those companies, right ?

Btw: 1 out of 20 people is American citizen living in Alberta. We don't really need anymore, right now.
1 out of 10 in Calgary, alone. (over 100.000). The largest american populated city, outside the US.

So, to Tie: Who again is fleeing the country ?

[tonyexpress]

Bush deficit vs. Obama deficit
Projected Deficit

In the first independent analysis, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office concluded that President Obama's budget would rack up massive deficits even after the economy recovers, forcing the nation to borrow nearly $9.3 trillion over the next decade.


SOURCE: CBO, White House Office of Management and Budget | The Washington Post - March 21, 2009

[1989]

Just remember who started this Recession!
Bush and the conservatives !
Let banks, wall street, do anything they wanted. Like selling homes to the unemployed, or Mac D workers. People that couldn't afford them in the first place.

This is a democrat idea that conservatives rolled along with. There were obvious signs of trouble with Freddie and Fannie. Scandals covered up by democrats. With about $2 trillion in loans on the books in 1998 and over $5 trillion in 2008.

The Canadian banks on the other hand, stayed solid, and set an example to the world. No housing crunch here, either.

A small percentage of bad loans originated from banks.

If you haven't seen how the private sector really works.... what about AIG? Needed billions in bail out, and yet handed the CEO and excusitives millions of bonuses. More then Obama earns, well, so does Scott Davis.

Psst, Klein, nothing has changed in a year except wall street is making more money and more people are unemployed.

Then we all bitch when gas prices go up on the pump.... and every gas station the same hr, if not the same minute.
Nice private sector there , too.
I'm from an oil province, (Texas north), and maybe even the Texans might agree with me on this one :
That the state bulids and owns it's very own refinerie, and competes with the private firms, such as Exxon, Shell, etc.
One thing forsure, we wouldn't see them raising prices simutaniosly, as the others do.
Give them a run for the money, and every profit made, goes back to the citizens of Texas. (oil companies do make huge profit).

In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with regulations that protect the consumer and the countries economy.
You may consider that of "taken care of", but privately owned companies, are just out there to make a buck, and if they could, they wouldn't even have the safety or enviromental issues adressed, without government ordering them it's a MUST.

Maybe it's just fluke, but it sure is odd, that the socialist countries, esspecially Norway, Sweden, Finnland are getting richer, while the US has been getting poorer since Clinton left office ? Even Canada caught up big time. (however, I don't call Canada being socialist), we are far behind from Europeans in that matter.

Didn't Forbes just come out and say there are more millionares in the US than other time?

Your rich UPS pension plans for example, are totally unheard of here. OK, thats private..... but in a way very social for companies to do so there.

Another example is GM and Chrysler. Why did they declare bankruptcy in the US and not in Canada ?

Wasn't the majority of GM debt on their US books because they are a US company? As of December GM owed the US 6.7 billion and Canada 1.14 billion.

Your answer : Because we are too social, eh ?

The US bails out companies and banks, but thats not being social. Only social if you bail out the people (workers and/or consumers) that got effected by those companies, right ?

Btw: 1 out of 20 people is American citizen living in Alberta. We don't really need anymore, right now.
1 out of 10 in Calgary, alone. (over 100.000). The largest american populated city, outside the US.

So, to Tie: Who again is fleeing the country ?

[klein]

Tony, I assume it goes higher after year 2015, because of medicare and aid, (more people retiring and using it) ? Or what other reason ?

[Lue C Fur]

Just remember who started this Recession!
Bush and the conservatives !
Typical leftwing response...its Bushs fault. Do you have proof that he started it or just jumping on the liberal bandwagon mantra???
Let banks, wall street, do anything they wanted. Like selling homes to the unemployed, or Mac D workers. People that couldn't afford them in the first place.
You need to do more research instead of just pointing the finger for the housing/banking debacle on Bush and the conservatives. There is plenty of blame to go around on both sides. I also feel that if your an idiot who bit of more than you can chew the you should just rot.
The Canadian banks on the other hand, stayed solid, and set an example to the world. No housing crunch here, either.
Well dont pat yourselfto hard on the back youll get whiplash. But while your at it take a look at the UK and a few other socialist nations that have banking/housing problems...must have been Bush's fault right?
If you haven't seen how the private sector really works.... what about AIG? Needed billions in bail out, and yet handed the CEO and excusitives millions of bonuses. More then Obama earns, well, so does Scott Davis.
Yup...its disgusting. Bailouts are crap...id let them rot.
Then we all bitch when gas prices go up on the pump.... and every gas station the same hr, if not the same minute.
Nice private sector there , too.
I'm from an oil province, (Texas north), and maybe even the Texans might agree with me on this one :
That the state bulids and owns it's very own refinerie, and competes with the private firms, such as Exxon, Shell, etc.
One thing forsure, we wouldn't see them raising prices simutaniosly, as the others do.
Give them a run for the money, and every profit made, goes back to the citizens of Texas. (oil companies do make huge profit).
Is this a just a rant or....what?
In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with regulations that protect the consumer and the countries economy.
Sure, i agree with that. I dont want a doctor that does not have a license. Some rules need to be put in place...i agree....just dont over regulate. I dont want my hand held all the time...what wrong with that. I follow the rules and the people that dont should be punished...not bailed out...LEDT THEM ROT!!!
You may consider that of "taken care of", but privately owned companies, are just out there to make a buck, and if they could, they wouldn't even have the safety or enviromental issues adressed, without government ordering them it's a MUST.
Not all but yes if there is a way then someone will screw you and take advantage. I suppose that is where Unions come in to play.

Maybe it's just fluke, but it sure is odd, that the socialist countries, esspecially Norway, Sweden, Finnland are getting richer, while the US has been getting poorer since Clinton left office ? Even Canada caught up big time. (however, I don't call Canada being socialist), we are far behind from Europeans in that matter.
Just wondering Klein...how much percentage do Canadians pay in taxes? How about the Swedes, Finnland, etc?
Your rich UPS pension plans for example, are totally unheard of here. OK, thats private..... but in a way very social for companies to do so there.
Ah......OK...
Another example is GM and Chrysler. Why did they declare bankruptcy in the US and not in Canada ?
Tell me why? Ford did well for itself. I hate bailouts remember?
Your answer : Because we are too social, eh ?
Well you do enjoy your govt holding your hand right?

The US bails out companies and banks, but thats not being social. Only social if you bail out the people (workers and/or consumers) that got effected by those companies, right ?
It sucks...im against bailouts...im not a liberal.
Btw: 1 out of 20 people is American citizen living in Alberta. We don't really need anymore, right now.
1 out of 10 in Calgary, alone. (over 100.000). The largest american populated city, outside the US.
What happened...some American liberals moving up there...you donjt want them cause they are burning your tax dollars...i know the feeling with all the illegals and freeloaders here.

So, to Tie: Who again is fleeing the country ?

Hey Tie...Klein is on to something...maybe we can get more freeloaders to go to live with him. LMAO!!!!!!

[klein]

What happened...some American liberals moving up there...you donjt want them cause they are burning your tax dollars...i know the feeling with all the illegals and freeloaders here.
Hey Tie...Klein is on to something...maybe we can get more freeloaders to go to live with him. LMAO!!!!!!

Little how you know, no most of those americans are from Texas ! They work in the oil industry with thier parent companies of Chevron, Exxon, Mobil,etc, in the skyscrapers as well in the oilfields.

To Tony.
Nothing new, only thing I doubt about that misserable budget forecast, is I doubt America will ever be able to borrow that much.
I see another Greece.
The end of the Empire as we know it.
Unless major changes happen.

But, I really do hope it works all out good at the end. Really. Good luck !

[Baba gounj]

Little how you know, no most of those americans are from Texas ! They work in the oil industry with thier parent companies of Chevron, Exxon, Mobil,etc, in the skyscrapers as well in the oilfields.

To Tony.
Nothing new, only thing I doubt about that misserable budget forecast, is I doubt America will ever be able to borrow that much.
I see another Greece.
The end of the Empire as we know it.
Unless major changes happen.

But, I really do hope it works all out good at the end. Really. Good luck !

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com...-bankrupt.aspx
Is China actually bankrupt?

All governments lie about their finances. At worst, as in Greece and the United States, the lies are bold and transparent. Everybody knows the emperor has no clothes, but no one want to say so. At best, as in Canada and China, the lies are more subtle -- more like a magician's misdirection than a viking raider's ax. Look at these great numbers, the lie goes, but don't look at those up my sleeve.There's a good argument to be made that if you look at all the numbers, instead of just the ones the budget magicians want you to see, China is indeed broke.

The currency crisis started in 1997 with the collapse of the Thai baht -- and then, like dominoes, the currencies of Indonesia, South Korea, Malaysia and the Philippines collapsed.

[tourists24]

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com...-bankrupt.aspx
Is China actually bankrupt?

All governments lie about their finances. At worst, as in Greece and the United States, the lies are bold and transparent. Everybody knows the emperor has no clothes, but no one want to say so. At best, as in Canada and China, the lies are more subtle -- more like a magician's misdirection than a viking raider's ax. Look at these great numbers, the lie goes, but don't look at those up my sleeve.There's a good argument to be made that if you look at all the numbers, instead of just the ones the budget magicians want you to see, China is indeed broke.

The currency crisis started in 1997 with the collapse of the Thai baht -- and then, like dominoes, the currencies of Indonesia, South Korea, Malaysia and the Philippines collapsed.

Baba,,,, Klein trusts his government. They would never lie to him

[klein]

Baba,,,, Klein trusts his government. They would never lie to him

I read the article about Canada. Yeah, it makes sense to add the provincial debt to it.
Just where I live, we have no provincial debt. Actually, some $15B saved up in a so called Heritage Fund.
(extra money for a rainy day).

It's a shame, that Ontario was once the richest province in Canada, and now 1 of the most in debt.
But, even if the debt is higher then they calcuated, we have enough natural resources to pay for it all.
I'm not worried.

What that article didn't get correct, however, was the percentage of growth. We already had more growth, then that article had estimated.
No one can forsee the future. Could be a double dip recession, maybe another war, or even a huge natural disaster ahead, to change all those forecasts.
We could maybe even see peace in the middle east (afghanistan, Iran, Iraq), and one or all of them, could export oil for goods, and help the worlds economy.
Who knows what the future holds ?
Our budget has a 5 year term. A lot can happen in 5 years..

[tonyexpress]

To Tony.
Nothing new, only thing I doubt about that misserable budget forecast, is I doubt America will ever be able to borrow that much.
I see another Greece.
The end of the Empire as we know it.
Unless major changes happen.

But, I really do hope it works all out good at the end. Really. Good luck !

Major changes are in order...We must reverse the direction we're currently going...Which means we need to change the leadership that is taking us in the wrong direction.

QUIT SPENDING
CREATE JOBS
LET INNOVATION AND FREE MARKETS GO
GET GOVERNMENT OUT OF THE WAY

If we start with these then the direction will change, people will become inspired and hopeful and instead of hope & change being a slogan it will become a reality and the Country will move in the right direction once again...

[av8torntn]

Yes, AV8. thats option number 2. I would like to see how that would work out, myself.
Scrap medicare, and aid. No more free emergency visits to hospitals. No more building hospitals, period.
Ambulance and EMS services also only for the insured. As well as those medical helicopter transports.

Anyone, that doesn't have insurance is left to die, period.
.

So are you claiming that prior to 1965 and the introduction of Medicare and Medicaid all Americans were left to die? I for one just think that since no facts are on your side you are falling into the typical, predictable liberal trap of trying to somehow use a very weak emotional argument with no facts to back up what you are saying much like your weak attempt at the public private education thing.

[Baba gounj]

prior to 1965 people paid their doctors in cash; no medical insurance.
I for one would willingly go back to that old fashion method.
Think about it; having a doctor who you could talk directly with & to at any time, not having to deal with some hmo desk jockey.

[1989]

20 Reasons Why The U.S. Economy Is Dying And Is Simply Not Going To Recover




http://www.businessinsider.com/20-re...foreclosures-1

[klein]

So are you claiming that prior to 1965 and the introduction of Medicare and Medicaid all Americans were left to die? I for one just think that since no facts are on your side you are falling into the typical, predictable liberal trap of trying to somehow use a very weak emotional argument with no facts to back up what you are saying much like your weak attempt at the public private education thing.

So, who paid prior 1965 for those that had no money ?
I hope it wasn't the government. Since government shouldn't be involved.
Or those that needed serious operations that costed 100.000s of thousands ? And couldn't pay ?

If private education is so cheap, then the Tea party should be fighting for that next.
And I urge you all, to make that first step, and take your kids out of public schools, and stop paying public school taxes.
Or get it returned with income tax (education is a tax write off). Which it shouldn't be either, since thats government assistance, too.
We can even go further to the olden days, and only let the rich go to college or university.
Quit, handing out cheap student loans, and subsidizing secondary education.
Only the rich are smart, anyways. right ? LOL

I for one would willingly go back to that old fashion method.
Think about it; having a doctor who you could talk directly with & to at any time, not having to deal with some hmo desk jockey.

BaBA, be careful what you wish for. Those days just might return.
At an older age, when you need it the most.
I suppose you'll have a house to sell, to cover medical costs by then.

To Tony, my decent little pal.
Yes, I agree.
I don't care, do what it takes, try to make all those changes possible, to keep the country afloat.

Without a healthy fiscal USA, most of North and South America will end up suffering, even the whole world for a while.
Someone has to do what it takes...

[Baba gounj]

Someone has to do what it takes...

Praise allah, that is not you.