guns

[soberups]

Weak Emotions and GUNs do not mix. Weak Emotions, drugs and/or alcohol also do not mix. Weak Emotions, drugs, Alcohol and GUNS are deadly.

But how do we figure this out before a guy like this shooter walk into a gun shop and buy enough weapons to kill hundreds?

Peace

TOS

The reality is that the availability of mental health care in this country is sadly lacking.

I dont know what the answer is. I dont think there is any foolproof method of keeping guns out of the hands of those who shouldnt have them....particularly when that person is as methodical and determined as the Aurora shooter, or the nut job in Norway who was able to massacre over 70 people with one in spite of Norwegian gun laws that are far stricter than those in the USA.

My guess is that something like 99.9% of all gun violence victims were unarmed when they got shot. So if you want to adopt a statistical methodology for trying to reduce gun deaths, you need to include all relevant statistics and not just the ones that support conclusions that coincide with your own personal predjudices.

[klein]

The reality is that the availability of mental health care in this country is sadly lacking.

I dont know what the answer is. I dont think there is any foolproof method of keeping guns out of the hands of those who shouldnt have them....particularly when that person is as methodical and determined as the Aurora shooter, or the nut job in Norway who was able to massacre over 70 people with one in spite of Norwegian gun laws that are far stricter than those in the USA.

My guess is that something like 99.9% of all gun violence victims were unarmed when they got shot. So if you want to adopt a statistical methodology for trying to reduce gun deaths, you need to include all relevant statistics and not just the ones that support conclusions that coincide with your own personal predjudices.

Yeah, then why don't you check out the stats and compare the muder rate in Norway to that of the US !

[soberups]

Well, according to you then, they need to allow the right to carry everywhere then.
And I mean everywhere - cinemas, schools, work place, sporting events, bars, librairies, campuses, etc.
Because otherwise people could find themselves in the same boat as those movie goers, unaremd and helpless.

You should get a national petetion going so new laws can be put in place so no one should ever feel unsafe and helpless, again.

In Oregon, a person with a permit already can carry legally in all of the places (schools,libraries, sporting events etc.) that you mention.

As far as a "national petition" goes...there already is one. HR 822, the National Right to Carry Reciprocity Act, would require states that issue carry permits to honor permits issued by other states, in the same way that is done with driver licenses. It has already passed in the House, and is up for consideration in the Senate.

[klein]

Great, maybe Oregon should hold the Olympics once.
Would be neat to see if all those right to carry people will behave, or maybe once other countries hear about US public citizens being ale to carry weapons into every event - they may just not show up ? !!!!

[bbsam]

The reality is that it is impossible to say what might have happened in that theater had one or more movie-goers been armed. Your little "scenario" is every bit as presumptuous and ignorant as the John Wayne types who claim they would have head-shot the guy from the back of a dark theater. For all we know, there were armed civilians there (certainly plausible in a "shall issue" state like CO) who never had a chance to draw their weapons or who (prudently, I might add) fled the theater rather than attempting to engage a shooter wearing body armor and armed with a rifle.

What we do know at this point...is that an ARMED lunatic walked in and gunned down a buinch of UNARMED victims. I dont want to be an unarmed victim. I respect your right to choose otherwise.

An armed victim and an unarmed victim die much the same way when running for the door.

[UpstateNYUPSer]

Sober, have you ever gone through any type of gas mask training? We had to have annual training when I was in the service. We would walk in to the gas chamber with the gas mask on and would be instructed to take the mask off and recite the alphabet before being allowed to leave the chamber. It is very debilitating. Even had there been an armed patron at the theater he/she would not have had a gas mask and would have been at a distinct disadvantage, perhaps causing more harm than good.

On a side note---the shooter was in court yesterday and is obviously going for the insanity plea. His mannerisms, whether genuine or not, are those of someone who clearly does not know where he is or even what day it is. Granted, it was only for 11 minutes, but this is clearly a man not in control of his faculties.

[moreluck]

He was probably drugged for his court appearance.

[Baba gounj]

That defense will not work in this case.
After informing the police about his apt, he immediately demanded his lawyer and shut up.

[Baba gounj]

All this demand for grabbing everyone guns is strange.
If a drunk driver kills someone(s) where is the outrage to ban cars ?
Where is the outrage to stop selling alcohol ? Oh, they already tried that , and boy what a failure that was.

[bbsam]

All this demand for grabbing everyone guns is strange.
If a drunk driver kills someone(s) where is the outrage to ban cars ?
Where is the outrage to stop selling alcohol ? Oh, they already tried that , and boy what a failure that was.

If you are done being hysterical, then tell me who said anything about "grabbing everyone's guns"? There does seem to be a knee jerk defense of guns even when they aren't in the least bit at risk.