Obama goes to GOP lions den... and mauls the lions....

[tieguy]

Next lie revealed in this head to head.

Obama and the democrats have made an effort constantly chastize the republicans for not joining the legislative process. The republicans have in defense said they have joined the process but that their ideas and suggestions keep getting rejected.

Rep tom Price raised this point in this supposedly one sided debate and obama said:

I've read your legislation. I mean, I take a look at this stuff . And the good ideas we take. But here's the thing ....It can't be all or nothing. one way or the other. All Right?

So here Obama now admits that the republicans had made suggestions , that he liked some of their ideas after many public shots calling them the party of no and the do nothings.

[tieguy]

I'm not sure who you mean by "us". Every plan I saw was paid for in part by some form of tax increase, either on the wealthy, big corporations, "Cadillac" health plans, or cigars and whiskey. That last would hit me pretty hard

then I suppose you saw that revenues were heavily over estimated in these plans you studied so intently?

Your defense of Obamas rhetoric seems to ignore the no cost marketing put out?

[Jones]

then I suppose you saw that revenues were heavily over estimated in these plans you studied so intently?

Your defense of Obamas rhetoric seems to ignore the no cost marketing put out?

I never said anything about that. I was simply pointing out that admitting you are going to raise taxes is not the same as saying you are going to increase the deficit.

[tieguy]

I never said anything about that. I was simply pointing out that admitting you are going to raise taxes is not the same as saying you are going to increase the deficit.

thats true you did not bring up any points relevant to my argument that Obama has been dishonest with his marketing of the cost of health care. You did selectively make arguments that were favorable to his dishonest marketing. Thus I labeled your points a defense of his dishonesty.

[Jones]

thats true you did not bring up any points relevant to my argument that Obama has been dishonest with his marketing of the cost of health care. You did selectively make arguments that were favorable to his dishonest marketing. Thus I labeled your points a defense of his dishonesty.

You said that Obama lied about his plan being deficit neutral. Your evidence for that was his admission that the plan was going to cost us. That was your argument. I pointed out to you that paying for a plan with a tax increase (which is pretty clearly what Obama meant when he said it would "cost us") does not mean that the plan isn't deficit neutral. It doesn't mean I like the plan, because I don't.

[tieguy]

You said that Obama lied about his plan being deficit neutral. Your evidence for that was his admission that the plan was going to cost us. That was your argument. I pointed out to you that paying for a plan with a tax increase (which is pretty clearly what Obama meant when he said it would "cost us") does not mean that the plan isn't deficit neutral. It doesn't mean I like the plan, because I don't.

I did say Obama lied on the cost of his health care plan and you tried to defend his dishonesty. In that sense we agree.

[Jones]

I did say Obama lied on the cost of his health care plan and you tried to defend his dishonesty. In that sense we agree.

Actually, what you said was this:

It appears Obama got caught in another lie at this meeting.

Obama previously sold his health care plan as being deficit neutral and has even made claims that it would reduce the deficit.

And that's what I was responding to. My point was that the cost of the plan is a separate issue from whether or not it's deficit neutral.

[tieguy]

Yes Jonesy I did see that you tried to defend Obama dishonesty.

[govols019]

You have issues.

[Jones]

You have issues.

LWF

[diesel96]

You have issues.

LWF

LWF...that may explain the 11,500 posts.....lol

Anyway, Obama's performance in the GOP Lion's Den, may just of blown the right wing "Telepromter" theory out of the water....

[moreluck]

LWF ?? Lutheran World Federation ?

[tieguy]

LlYING to the WORLD FREQUENTLY

[tieguy]

You have issues.

I do . I'm not stupid enough to believe Obamas lies

[bbsam]

I do . I'm not stupid enough to believe Obamas lies

But stupid enough to believe O'Reilly's?