Full Time Driver in need of help or advice

[barnyard]

I am betting that when you were a pt cover, you were begging to go FT. Sometimes it sucks to get what you want and this is a case of it sucking. Until business improves or another FT person retires, you will be looking at more of the same. Either suck it up and do it or decide that UPS is not where your future lies and start applying elsewhere.

[UpstateNYUPSer]

No its my choice to displace 2 pt'ers. I'm considered laid off, they can't spring on me 10mins and tell me they need me to drive. I chose to work preload and local sort for my hrs. Also they have to give me 7 days notice of a lay off lasting longer than a week. So when I drive I should be given written notice before they pull me back off rd to the sort.

You are FT bid cover. You work the preload and metro to get your 8 hours. You are not laid off--there is not a route for you to run so you are working on the inside. They can't/won't give you 7 days notice because the staffing could change from day to day. That is the way FT bid cover works--you need to be flexible.

Written notice?

[barnyard]

Written notice?

I know, right.

We have 2 cover drivers that pretty much work the preload and local sort after Christmas till about April and again in September until late October. The generally drive every Friday to cover call ins or PH's. It sucks to be them, but that's the way it is.

[Champion14]

I am betting that when you were a pt cover, you were begging to go FT. Sometimes it sucks to get what you want and this is a case of it sucking. Until business improves or another FT person retires, you will be looking at more of the same. Either suck it up and do it or decide that UPS is not where your future lies and start applying elsewhere.

Suck it up huh? Fwiw I've been with this company for 14 years and was a cover driver for 5 and never came off the road for the sort not one day. I've been full time for 4 and have already topped out in pay as a full time driver. Not until recently has the lay off came into affect because ups isn't making any money and the volume isn't there. Well that's garbage the stops per car are insane and the work is there. Are you treated differently than every other person in your job classification? Does your pay rate drop because you did a different job more than 7 days? I'm not a cover driver and they can't treat me like one. I came to this board for good advice from fellow upser's, didn't know I would get a ton of tough guy talk.

[Champion14]

You are FT bid cover. You work the preload and metro to get your 8 hours. You are not laid off--there is not a route for you to run so you are working on the inside. They can't/won't give you 7 days notice because the staffing could change from day to day. That is the way FT bid cover works--you need to be flexible.

Written notice?

Article 48 sec 5 page 173. (A) The Employer agrees to give full-time seniority employees seven (7) calendar days' notice of intended lay off to exceed one (1) week. Agreed upon notices of layoff do not apply during a declared emergency.

When you are a full time driver at my center you come in at 830 and drive until you finish the day. There is no work preload and drive ft position, I am laid off when they take me away from my full time driving job and move me to the sort.

[upsguy72]

Read your rider and see what it says about this type of situation.. Also Call your BA and let him / her know what is going on.

Make sure you in compliance with the 14, 10 and 60 hours rules... Your working time insides count toward your 14 and 60 hours... Also any other work that you do on the side count to...

[UpstateNYUPSer]

Article 48 sec 5 page 173. (A) The Employer agrees to give full-time seniority employees seven (7) calendar days' notice of intended lay off to exceed one (1) week. Agreed upon notices of layoff do not apply during a declared emergency.

When you are a full time driver at my center you come in at 830 and drive until you finish the day. There is no work preload and drive ft position, I am laid off when they take me away from my full time driving job and move me to the sort.

You are not laid off--to be laid off means you would be sitting on your butt on the couch watching TV. You are guaranteed 8 hours and they are giving you 8 hours, albeit not consecutively. That is the deal when you are a FT bid cover.

[LiB]

Needs more info. How long have you been full time (not that it really matters); since you are the bottom FT driver you are a "cover driver," a permanent one, but one still the same. As bottom seniority, you get to take the route nobody wants. THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION ONLY PERTAINS TO SOUTHERN REGION SUPPLEMENT, DO NOT TAKE THIS ADVICE IF YOU ARE NOT COVERED UNDER THIS:

If you are a Full time driver, you need to come it at a full time driver start time unless instructed by management. Once you're there you get paid for 8 hours, unless you were told you needed to displace 2 people from 2 shifts. Now, if they lay you off more than 7 days, you need to be displacing a morning and and evening person, then you can claim your classification is a 22.3 inside/inside job so you only take a couple dollars hit. But the bottom line is, unless they tell you in advance 24 hours (or according to supplement) you can claim all time.

[rockinrmk]

You should never have to work local sort if you have already worked preload and then went out on a route for the rest of the day. You need 10 hours inbetween shifts for DOT. I am in the same position as you and I get screwed out of driving because I only have 6hours off inbetween shifts. Today my center manager told me to quit coming in for local sort if they call me

[upsman2940]

We had a driver in layoff that was forced to work preload/ reload. They would send drivers home and force him to run a route after the preload. I filed a grievance to be paid the hours that he worked. It worked, they stopped and I got paid!