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Old 07-08-2009, 07:02 PM   #126
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One of Grandfather's gems of advice "No shop talk off the clock" all of the managers I deal with know that if they want to talk to me they have to pay for the priviledge. And that also makes me wonder about something else. Whatever happened to the days of your manager buying lunch while on a check ride? I always thought that was S.O.P. but our newbies won't do it...
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The newbies are at the bottom of the salary structure, had the bonus taken, their pay cut and their retirement gutted. I'm not trying to garner sympathy for them, it is just the managers with less than 5 years under their belt aren't feeling too generous to anyone right now.

However, I was under the impression that the "checkride lunch" came off the corporate credit card and not the personal. I could be wrong, but with every checkride I've had the corporate credit card came out, not a personal credit card and not cash. I always make it a point to pull into someplace just a little more expensive than my usual stop, to get a decent lunch off of FedEx once a year. Its the least the company can do afterall. We also don't talk shop on lunch. If we talk shop, I code in a 48.
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Pack a lunch, and stop in the middle of nowhere...
Seems to work for most of our guys...

Once a year? heck our station has been on a kick 2 mgrs 24 drivers and they ride with someone new each day. as you might imagine they ride with people multiple times..
I had a AM ride, PM ride, and a Sat. ride...
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I NEVER take a break in my truck, just "personal" policy. If I'm sitting in the truck, I'm getting paid. A break in my book is having access to a place where I can tend to all sorts of bodily functions and not break the law while doing so.

If you're having that many checkrides, something must be wrong. Missed goals or too many burned deliveries/pu's are the usual reason. Sometime in the past, the same situation occurred at my station. We weren't making district goal, and the burner was turned up on the managers to correct the problem. The yo-yo at the district didn't bother to look one step beyond the spreadsheet and try to figure out why goal wasn't being made. All he was interested in was making goal.

The reason is that there was a time period where a large number of routes had new CRRs running them. Inexperience means lower productivity. The station managers knew this, but they had to get the numbers up pronto. So they did the ridealong thing and made all sorts of threats about making goal and not burning deliveries. After a few months, the problem solved itself. That was my "final exam" in learning how Express operates (by the spreadsheet and not by common sense). FedEx lost me with that experience, and I've just been punching the clock to get what I need ever since.
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Well said. The recent spate of FedEx "trolls" are either Kool-Aid drinkers or management. Some don't even work for FedEx and get their "information" from places like Brownbailout.com. Others are just union-hating Right-Wingers trying to jump on board.

I think 705Red is a bit confused. He's angry because he can't access "our" site, which has nothing to do with employees. Brownbailout.com is directly from Fred Smith. Do you think he's actually going to let you post what you really think? The "moderators" there only want comments that support the FedEx side of the argument. It's just a big scam.

WAY TO GO FEDEX!!!!
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Memphis-based FedEx is now ranked 200 on the list, up from 214 last year.
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It's meaningless.
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Express operates (by the spreadsheet and not by common sense).
AMEN TO THAT ONE!! I wish I had a college degree in screwing up stem times and route structures and them putting them right back where they started...."that's not how we did it in ___________. ( usually Memphis or the manager/engineer's last location) Famous last words!
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It's meaningless.

Senators are considering a bill to reauthorize the Federal Aviation Administration that could foul up overnight delivery for medical patients, the military and every mom-and-pop business in the country. If the bill passes, needed packages absolutely, positively will not be there overnight.
The FAA reauthorization, as passed by the House of Representatives on May 21, contains a 230-word amendment that would apply only to FedEx Express, and that would put the company under onerous labor policies that it never has faced in its 38 years in business. The Senate ought to leave the provision out of its version of the bill.
Like other airline-based businesses, FedEx Express currently operates under the auspices of the Railway Labor Act, which has worked since 1926 to provide for impartial means to resolve labor disputes quickly and fairly without strikes. The House provision, pushed by the Teamsters Union and by rival package deliverer UPS, would make FedEx Express be governed by the National Labor Relations Act -- which effectively could allow one small, local union strike in Any Big Town, USA, to hobble overnight delivery nationwide.
This anti-FedEx provision is a sop to big Democratic donors from the Teamsters and from UPS, who combined have donated more than $164,000 to the provision's House sponsor, Rep. James L. Oberstar, Minnesota Democrat.
Express delivery service is important to countless lives. Nearly 20 percent of FedEx Express' 3.37 million daily deliveries involve critical needs such as key industrial supplies and, more dramatically, overnight drugs and medical equipment. On an average day, this includes more than 8,000 kidney dialysis systems and more than 11,000 in vitro diagnostic substances. FedEx Express also is one of the largest logistic providers for the Department of Defense.
The delivery of business forms, contracts, birthday presents and other items might be less headline-grabbing, but they nonetheless are essential for Americans in our daily work and lives. FedEx Express is a great American success story precisely because it is so reliable -- yet the Oberstar provision could put that reliability at risk, through no fault of the company.


When it comes to overnight delivery service, Congress ought to leave well enough alone.

If this happens they will destroy one of the most dependable companies that offer this type of service. I had the opportunity to visit FedEx to observe their operation and learn about their customer satisfaction program. I was so impressed with their employees and their efficiency. Call your Senators and tell them to stop this insanity before every good company in this country goes the way of GM, Chrysler and the awful United States Postal Service
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Senators are considering a bill to reauthorize the Federal Aviation Administration that could foul up overnight delivery for medical patients, the military and every mom-and-pop business in the country. If the bill passes, needed packages absolutely, positively will not be there overnight.
The FAA reauthorization, as passed by the House of Representatives on May 21, contains a 230-word amendment that would apply only to FedEx Express, and that would put the company under onerous labor policies that it never has faced in its 38 years in business. The Senate ought to leave the provision out of its version of the bill.
Like other airline-based businesses, FedEx Express currently operates under the auspices of the Railway Labor Act, which has worked since 1926 to provide for impartial means to resolve labor disputes quickly and fairly without strikes. The House provision, pushed by the Teamsters Union and by rival package deliverer UPS, would make FedEx Express be governed by the National Labor Relations Act -- which effectively could allow one small, local union strike in Any Big Town, USA, to hobble overnight delivery nationwide.
This anti-FedEx provision is a sop to big Democratic donors from the Teamsters and from UPS, who combined have donated more than $164,000 to the provision's House sponsor, Rep. James L. Oberstar, Minnesota Democrat.
Express delivery service is important to countless lives. Nearly 20 percent of FedEx Express' 3.37 million daily deliveries involve critical needs such as key industrial supplies and, more dramatically, overnight drugs and medical equipment. On an average day, this includes more than 8,000 kidney dialysis systems and more than 11,000 in vitro diagnostic substances. FedEx Express also is one of the largest logistic providers for the Department of Defense.
The delivery of business forms, contracts, birthday presents and other items might be less headline-grabbing, but they nonetheless are essential for Americans in our daily work and lives. FedEx Express is a great American success story precisely because it is so reliable -- yet the Oberstar provision could put that reliability at risk, through no fault of the company.


When it comes to overnight delivery service, Congress ought to leave well enough alone.

If this happens they will destroy one of the most dependable companies that offer this type of service. I had the opportunity to visit FedEx to observe their operation and learn about their customer satisfaction program. I was so impressed with their employees and their efficiency. Call your Senators and tell them to stop this insanity before every good company in this country goes the way of GM, Chrysler and the awful United States Postal Service
Looks like a picture-perfect post for Brownbailout.com, doesn't it? I know you're not smart enough to detect a "plant", but do you ever consider who may have written this and why?
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Senators are considering a bill to reauthorize the Federal Aviation Administration that could foul up overnight delivery for medical patients, the military and every mom-and-pop business in the country. If the bill passes, needed packages absolutely, positively will not be there overnight.
The FAA reauthorization, as passed by the House of Representatives on May 21, contains a 230-word amendment that would apply only to FedEx Express, and that would put the company under onerous labor policies that it never has faced in its 38 years in business. The Senate ought to leave the provision out of its version of the bill.
Like other airline-based businesses, FedEx Express currently operates under the auspices of the Railway Labor Act, which has worked since 1926 to provide for impartial means to resolve labor disputes quickly and fairly without strikes. The House provision, pushed by the Teamsters Union and by rival package deliverer UPS, would make FedEx Express be governed by the National Labor Relations Act -- which effectively could allow one small, local union strike in Any Big Town, USA, to hobble overnight delivery nationwide.
This anti-FedEx provision is a sop to big Democratic donors from the Teamsters and from UPS, who combined have donated more than $164,000 to the provision's House sponsor, Rep. James L. Oberstar, Minnesota Democrat.
Express delivery service is important to countless lives. Nearly 20 percent of FedEx Express' 3.37 million daily deliveries involve critical needs such as key industrial supplies and, more dramatically, overnight drugs and medical equipment. On an average day, this includes more than 8,000 kidney dialysis systems and more than 11,000 in vitro diagnostic substances. FedEx Express also is one of the largest logistic providers for the Department of Defense.
The delivery of business forms, contracts, birthday presents and other items might be less headline-grabbing, but they nonetheless are essential for Americans in our daily work and lives. FedEx Express is a great American success story precisely because it is so reliable -- yet the Oberstar provision could put that reliability at risk, through no fault of the company.


When it comes to overnight delivery service, Congress ought to leave well enough alone.

If this happens they will destroy one of the most dependable companies that offer this type of service. I had the opportunity to visit FedEx to observe their operation and learn about their customer satisfaction program. I was so impressed with their employees and their efficiency. Call your Senators and tell them to stop this insanity before every good company in this country goes the way of GM, Chrysler and the awful United States Postal Service

The last time I checked, the unions don't cause late deliveries, late/missed pickups, or any other distraction from the daily routine that is the package cartage/delivery industry.

Also, the last time I checked, FedEx employees don't want to hobble anyone (other than the idiot that is swerving around, talking on the phone on the 2 lane highway where you can't pass..but I digress), we want FAIR REPRESENTATION, FAIR BENEFITS, and most important, FAIR WAGES!! Most of us go above and beyond for our customers DAY IN AND DAY OUT, we aren' going to change that a bit.
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I found this link on the FedX mechanics site to be pretty informative. It has a list of things that a company can't do during a Union drive. Check it out!!

http://fedxmx.com/documents-you-need-1
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Gee FedEx... the Pilots are All Union... and despite being some of the best paid in the industry, they haven't gone on strike and packages still get delivered.

I'm not an Airline Employee, I can't fly on "my" airline, I've never touched a plane
or even stepped foot on the tarmac, I get a discount on other "airline" tickets which are all STAND-BY tickets.. which I could purchase if I wasn't an employee.
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Gee FedEx... the Pilots are All Union... and despite being some of the best paid in the industry, they haven't gone on strike and packages still get delivered.

I'm not an Airline Employee, I can't fly on "my" airline, I've never touched a plane
or even stepped foot on the tarmac, I get a discount on other "airline" tickets which are all STAND-BY tickets.. which I could purchase if I wasn't an employee.
Isn't that amazing? I wonder why FedEx never bothers to tell the other side of the story.
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Isn't that amazing? I wonder why (insert company name here) never bothers to tell the other side of the story.
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Isn't that amazing? I wonder why (insert company name here) never bothers to tell the other side of the story.
How true. In our case, however, the lying is taken to the stratosphere.
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How true. In our case, however, the lying is taken to the stratosphere.
This is very much the case with FedEx. Having worked for many corporations and having been in the military, I can say FedEx has a culture of secrecy and misinformation when it comes to its hourly employees. Most employees in major corporations have a clear view of what that corporation does on a nationwide basis. They have regular communication with fellow employees in different operating locations and are able to get a decent picture of how the corporation operates, along with a picture of how competing corporations operate (it is in employees best interest to know this, since opportunity usually presents itself from a competitor). FedEx hourly employees don't know how their nearby stations are managed, or how different operating divisions are run (witness FDX4Life not knowing what an FDR is). FedEx is a collection of almost 1000 operating locations across the US (ramps, stations and hubs), with the hourly employees that haven't transferred having not a clue as to how those other 1000 locations operate. Their only sources of information are what corporate decides to tell them (Frontline ) or what their managers decide to tell them. Since corporate is actively trying to deceive employees, FedEx hourly employees don't really have a clue as to how bad they are getting it.

With FedEx, there is absolutely no opportunity for employees to jump ship. A Courier can't prepare a resume and try to work for another company doing the same line of work and get paid better. They would go to the bottom of the seniority listing, and have to work their way back up. In other words, not an option. This is what keeps most FedEx employees trapped within FedEx, there is no other viable option to change jobs without having to go to the bottom of "seniority". In white collar jobs, employees are constantly updating their resume, sending it out whenever an opportunity makes itself known. If a better offer comes along, they jump ship to greener pastures. This means that white collar employees tend to be paid higher than blue collar employees of comparable levels of responsibility. The employers have to compete on the basis of salary all the time, lest they lose their workforce.

There is only one option available to blue collar employees to ensure they have some bargaining position when it comes to their compensation. They can't send out resumes and attempt to get better terms of employment with another company doing the same line of work, the "system" isn't geared that way. They have to form an union and engage in collective bargaining to ensure they have the same levels of compensation as a white collar employee would have that possesses comparable levels of responsibility in their work. This is the ONLY option employees have that operate in a company (or career) that uses seniority as a method of ranking employees that perform identical job functions. This is why that old FedEx mantra of "there's the door, if you don't like your job, walk through it", is a red herring. There is no option for an employee that has made a career with FedEx. Once they made that choice, they're stuck. The option is to have a leveled playing field with FedEx, and taking away the RLA status from FedEx for non-aircraft related employees.
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This is very much the case with FedEx. Having worked for many corporations and having been in the military, I can say FedEx has a culture of secrecy and misinformation when it comes to its hourly employees. Most employees in major corporations have a clear view of what that corporation does on a nationwide basis. They have regular communication with fellow employees in different operating locations and are able to get a decent picture of how the corporation operates, along with a picture of how competing corporations operate (it is in employees best interest to know this, since opportunity usually presents itself from a competitor). FedEx hourly employees don't know how their nearby stations are managed, or how different operating divisions are run (witness FDX4Life not knowing what an FDR is). FedEx is a collection of almost 1000 operating locations across the US (ramps, stations and hubs), with the hourly employees that haven't transferred having not a clue as to how those other 1000 locations operate. Their only sources of information are what corporate decides to tell them (Frontline ) or what their managers decide to tell them. Since corporate is actively trying to deceive employees, FedEx hourly employees don't really have a clue as to how bad they are getting it.

With FedEx, there is absolutely no opportunity for employees to jump ship. A Courier can't prepare a resume and try to work for another company doing the same line of work and get paid better. They would go to the bottom of the seniority listing, and have to work their way back up. In other words, not an option. This is what keeps most FedEx employees trapped within FedEx, there is no other viable option to change jobs without having to go to the bottom of "seniority". In white collar jobs, employees are constantly updating their resume, sending it out whenever an opportunity makes itself known. If a better offer comes along, they jump ship to greener pastures. This means that white collar employees tend to be paid higher than blue collar employees of comparable levels of responsibility. The employers have to compete on the basis of salary all the time, lest they lose their workforce.

There is only one option available to blue collar employees to ensure they have some bargaining position when it comes to their compensation. They can't send out resumes and attempt to get better terms of employment with another company doing the same line of work, the "system" isn't geared that way. They have to form an union and engage in collective bargaining to ensure they have the same levels of compensation as a white collar employee would have that possesses comparable levels of responsibility in their work. This is the ONLY option employees have that operate in a company (or career) that uses seniority as a method of ranking employees that perform identical job functions. This is why that old FedEx mantra of "there's the door, if you don't like your job, walk through it", is a red herring. There is no option for an employee that has made a career with FedEx. Once they made that choice, they're stuck. The option is to have a leveled playing field with FedEx, and taking away the RLA status from FedEx for non-aircraft related employees.
Excellent post. "Active deception" is an apt term for what FedEx engages in on a nationwide level. It is intentional, and it has worked for a long time. While I can understand why someone who has never held multiple positions doesn't understand some aspects of the operation (FDR's, for example), it's hard to fathom the general level of ignorance out there.

Some employees are just stupid, and soak up the misinformation like a sponge. These are the believers who think FedEx can do no wrong. Others have just given-in, and are waiting to leave as soon as the economy improves. You've mentioned a mass exodus before, and I think that's exactly what will happen within a few years, even if wages and benefits do improve in the event of unionization.

The original Federal Express was a great company, and many of us made career decisions based on how that organization conducted business. Unfortunately, Fred changed the rules in the middle of the game. Once you've got 15 or 20 years into a company it's hard to leave because you have so much invested in terms of seniority. Age is another factor. If I'd known what was to come I'd have left long ago, as would have many others.
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I think the only thing that is illegal is the fact that UPS is forcing its employees to write letters to their congressman. This is a lot lower than a company trying to educate their employees by holding meeting about the RLA. Any company that demands their employees to do something without educating them on the facts should suffer the consenquences. Fedex has asked all its employees to look at the facts and make a decision for themselves unlike UPS which has brainwashed their people into beliving what they wna them to and not allowing them to think for themselves
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Old 07-16-2009, 05:51 PM   #144
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I think the only thing that is illegal is the fact that UPS is forcing its employees to write letters to their congressman. This is a lot lower than a company trying to educate their employees by holding meeting about the RLA. Any company that demands their employees to do something without educating them on the facts should suffer the consenquences. Fedex has asked all its employees to look at the facts and make a decision for themselves unlike UPS which has brainwashed their people into beliving what they wna them to and not allowing them to think for themselves

Yes, Braniac. FedEx presented all the "facts" in a way that people like you would fully understand. Never mind that they were all incorrect and slanted to serve Fred's purposes. Never ask questions and accept the word of management without question....the mark of a true genius.
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Old 07-17-2009, 01:11 AM   #145
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This is very much the case with FedEx. Having worked for many corporations and having been in the military, I can say FedEx has a culture of secrecy and misinformation when it comes to its hourly employees. Most employees in major corporations have a clear view of what that corporation does on a nationwide basis. They have regular communication with fellow employees in different operating locations and are able to get a decent picture of how the corporation operates, along with a picture of how competing corporations operate (it is in employees best interest to know this, since opportunity usually presents itself from a competitor). FedEx hourly employees don't know how their nearby stations are managed, or how different operating divisions are run (witness FDX4Life not knowing what an FDR is). FedEx is a collection of almost 1000 operating locations across the US (ramps, stations and hubs), with the hourly employees that haven't transferred having not a clue as to how those other 1000 locations operate. Their only sources of information are what corporate decides to tell them (Frontline ) or what their managers decide to tell them. Since corporate is actively trying to deceive employees, FedEx hourly employees don't really have a clue as to how bad they are getting it.

With FedEx, there is absolutely no opportunity for employees to jump ship. A Courier can't prepare a resume and try to work for another company doing the same line of work and get paid better. They would go to the bottom of the seniority listing, and have to work their way back up. In other words, not an option. This is what keeps most FedEx employees trapped within FedEx, there is no other viable option to change jobs without having to go to the bottom of "seniority". In white collar jobs, employees are constantly updating their resume, sending it out whenever an opportunity makes itself known. If a better offer comes along, they jump ship to greener pastures. This means that white collar employees tend to be paid higher than blue collar employees of comparable levels of responsibility. The employers have to compete on the basis of salary all the time, lest they lose their workforce.

There is only one option available to blue collar employees to ensure they have some bargaining position when it comes to their compensation. They can't send out resumes and attempt to get better terms of employment with another company doing the same line of work, the "system" isn't geared that way. They have to form an union and engage in collective bargaining to ensure they have the same levels of compensation as a white collar employee would have that possesses comparable levels of responsibility in their work. This is the ONLY option employees have that operate in a company (or career) that uses seniority as a method of ranking employees that perform identical job functions. This is why that old FedEx mantra of "there's the door, if you don't like your job, walk through it", is a red herring. There is no option for an employee that has made a career with FedEx. Once they made that choice, they're stuck. The option is to have a leveled playing field with FedEx, and taking away the RLA status from FedEx for non-aircraft related employees.

What are you talking about? I was a FedEx courier who left and joined UPS.
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I think the only thing that is illegal is the fact that UPS is forcing its employees to write letters to their congressman. This is a lot lower than a company trying to educate their employees by holding meeting about the RLA. Any company that demands their employees to do something without educating them on the facts should suffer the consenquences. Fedex has asked all its employees to look at the facts and make a decision for themselves unlike UPS which has brainwashed their people into beliving what they wna them to and not allowing them to think for themselves
This is all well and good, but the flyers that have been available at UPS are quite explicitly factual. To say anyone is being "forced" to write a letter is a flat out lie. Surely, there are probably a few management snakes that will ATTEMPT to coerce people into writing them but by far and away 99% are ASKING employees to write letters. And the employees, to my knowledge and that I have seen, are more than happy to!

If anything, since you "bit" into this so called UPS forcing employees to write letters idea, you are guilty of being brainwashed and running with it!

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FedEx is advertising on its internal website that the new RLA language will not be included in the bill passed to senate...

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FedEx is advertising on its internal website that the new RLA language will not be included in the bill passed to senate...

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I've also heard this. I have read that even if this is the case the House and Senate will have to meet together to pass the final version of this bill.
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What are you talking about? I was a FedEx courier who left and joined UPS.
Then can you tell me (and about 10,000 other FedEx Couriers) how we can leave FedEx and start working with UPS as drivers on day one of our employment? I'm not looking to go back to "the bottom" and work as a handler for a few years. I'm a DOT qualified driver that is experienced in both delivery and pickup of time sensitive shipments. Please tell me how I can transfer and start work as a driver on day one with UPS.

The fact is we can't transfer to another company and perform the job function for which we are experienced in. This job category has a seniority system which requires all new hires to go to the bottom of seniority, which means in UPS starting as a handler and working that for a few years on average until a position opens up as a driver - no thanks.

If I was working a white collar job as say a human resources manager, or a loan officer, I could apply to another potential employer and start working in that job function IMMEDIATELY upon hire. I wouldn't have to spend a few years working the mail room or being a receptionist. In blue collar employment, seniority rules exist to prevent new hires from jumping ahead of the pool of potential employees for a "coveted" position. I'm definately more qualified than ANY handler to operate a deliver truck, but because of the seniority system, I'd go to the bottom of the pool.

This is why the "choice" to change employers is a false choice for seniority based occupations. The choice it to collectively bargain. In a white collar occupation, I could get my resumes out to as many potential employers as possible, and select the best offer I receive and starting working in that function immediately. Can't do that in a seniority based occupation.

Even commercial pilots are trapped right now. There are commercial pilots with 10,000 hours of flight time on furlough right now. They are definately more experienced that some young kid coming into a regional airline to work with less than 1,000 total hours (and none in turbine aircraft). If they were to accept a position with a regional carrier, they'd go to the bottom of the seniority listing and take a pay rate at the bottom (not based on their experience at doing the job but based solely upon their seniority with the company). In addition, practically all commercial airlines require a pilot to forfeit their seniority with their previous employer as a basis for hiring (they don't want them to bolt once the furlough is lifted). This is why experienced pilots are on furlough and inexperienced pilots are starting with the regional carriers.

Whatever caused you to make the choice to switch to UPS in the past was based solely on personal preferences. I choose NOT to become a handler for a few years. I shouldn't have to make that false choice. I choose to force my current employer to engage in collective bargaining with me and potentially thousands if not tens of thousands of fellow employees for a better compensation package. If UPS would hire me as a package car driver from day one I'd make the jump in a heartbeat. That isn't going to happen, so I choose to act in an alternative manner.
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This might be the dumbest post I've ever read.You are upset that you cannot quit your job and be transfered to another job at the same pay and senority?Wow what a moron you are.If you quit a job and re-apply somewhere else,guess what,you have to start from the bottom.Thats not holding you hostage.Thats life.You need to wake up from your fantasy world.
Dumbest post? Richochet1, myself, and many other FedEx employees have invested many years into this company. This was based on the long-term premise(and promise) that FedEx had made a commitment to it's employees to deal with them fairly. We made a decision to make FedEx a career based on this premise. If you had worked for this company back in 1982 or so, that would have seemed like a good choice.

Fred decided sometime ago that he would take a different path, and started to chisel away most of the postive aspects of FedEx so he could make more profit. This occurred slowly enough that many didn't notice what was really happening. Most of us thought that the take-aways would eventually be returned, because, after all, FedEx is all about PSP and putting the employee first. Right? Ever hear the analogy of the frog being slowly boiled in the pot?

If you have 10-15 years of experience with a company and then try to transfer that skill set to another employer, you're going to lose big time. Seniority, vacation bidding, and on and on. Fred knows this, and knows that a 40-50 year old employee is unlikely to leave, even if they are getting screwed, because it isn't that easy to start over, especially in a severe recession.

The net result is a lot of senior employees just putting in their time until retirement or waiting for unionization so they might get some of their pension back. That would allow some of us to actually retire someday.

You're not too bright, so I'm guessing you have not ever considered how you're going to retire someday. Do you actually think the PPP will fund an adequate retirement? Maybe you have rich relatives or are expecting to win the lottery. Most of us depend on our pensions, and guess what? We don't have one any longer. Keep on believing, OK?
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