Big Shots Flock To 777F Roll-out

[Artee]

Originally Posted by MrFedEx

Remember, this is the same company that says we can't afford bottled water, cups, coffee, or anything else extraneous. If I want a drink of water I have to walk to the bathroom half way down the building to get water out of the faucet and provide my own cup. No water fountains in the whole building.

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Must suck to be you. Every station around here has water, hot chocolate, coffee and everything to go along with it. Do you have indoor plumbing where you are at or do you just hang a bear in the bushes by the station?

[Artee]

Originally Posted by Washu234

My favorite comment "They managed to make the 777 look even more boring than usual.."

Thats your favorite comment on there huh? Out of all of them?? I bet thats yours. LOL

[59 Dano]

Originally Posted by MrFedEx

I'm glad you get all of those big-time perks..WOW!! As usual, you missed my point entirely. Do I need to explain to you in a different way that you don't mean squat to upper management? The only folks that matter anymore are pilots and management..we just generate the revenue that pays their big salaries.

I'm a grown-up. I don't have the time or the inclination to ponder the question, "What does upper management thing of me?" They may think I'm great. They may think I stink. They may not even know that I exist beyond the fact that I'm yet another employee number. I doubt that they'll invite poor 'Dano to join in any reindeer games. That doesn't bother me because I know that execs aren't paid to care about me. I doubt they're losing sleep because, in return, I don't care about them.

Execs in any industry don't care about the frontliners of their respective industries, at least not in the strictest sense. They never have, they never will, and really, they aren't supposed to. I had that part figured out by the time I was 20 years old.

And yes, I'd be happy if the big cheeses brown-bagged it and flew commercial. At least they would be trying to show they were making an effort.

They took token pay cuts and you griped that it didn't really mean anything. They didn't fly to Seattle on the cheap and you're upset that they didn't use that trip to make a meaningless token gesture.

By the way, 59 Dano, why is it that you have only appeared with the onset of the RLA controversy? Do you know "Bob", "Rick", or Maury?

MaYbE I'm a SpY!!

[MrFedEx]

Originally Posted by 59 Dano

I'm a grown-up. I don't have the time or the inclination to ponder the question, "What does upper management thing of me?" They may think I'm great. They may think I stink. They may not even know that I exist beyond the fact that I'm yet another employee number. I doubt that they'll invite poor 'Dano to join in any reindeer games. That doesn't bother me because I know that execs aren't paid to care about me. I doubt they're losing sleep because, in return, I don't care about them.

Execs in any industry don't care about the frontliners of their respective industries, at least not in the strictest sense. They never have, they never will, and really, they aren't supposed to. I had that part figured out by the time I was 20 years old.



They took token pay cuts and you griped that it didn't really mean anything. They didn't fly to Seattle on the cheap and you're upset that they didn't use that trip to make a meaningless token gesture.



MaYbE I'm a SpY!!

Maybe you are a "spy"....I don't know. Here's what I do know. Over the years FedEx execs have perpetuated the myth that FedEx is a "different" company, and that they do care. Unfortunately, a lot of idiot employees have bought into this and honestly believe that FedEx has their best interests at heart. Top management is invested in keeping the myth alive so they can keep the union out and depress wages and benefits.

Including hourlies (and lower management) in festivities like the 777F roll-out are neither token nor meaningless. This was another opportunity to show that employees other than the top dogs were important, and they chose to squander it and make it a party for themselves instead.

UPS execs at least make an attempt at appearing that they have some level of understanding of life in the field. They don't have private jets, and the whole company forbids meals or coffee at desks in deference to the drivers in the field. Perhaps it's just symbolic, but it's a lot more than we get at Fedex.

Progessive organizations understand that frontline employees actually are important members of the "team" and have valuable input, ideas, and strategies that can help a company move forward and increase market share. FedEx no longer understands this concept and depends on engineers and middle managers in MEM who have no idea what a courier really does or how field ops really function. You appear to agree with this concept wholeheartedly. Go ahead, be a brick...Fred likes ignorant employees.

[MrFedEx]

Originally Posted by Artee

Must suck to be you. Every station around here has water, hot chocolate, coffee and everything to go along with it. Do you have indoor plumbing where you are at or do you just hang a bear in the bushes by the station?

Hey "Artee". I'm glad your district has all of the goodies you describe...others do not. Actually, it must suck to be you, skulking around here just waiting to throw-out some pro FedEx hype and shoot down the critics who speak the truth.

I suspect you are also a plant given your sudden appearance here at the BC in conjunction with the company's anti-union efforts. Most of the RTD's and Heavyweight people I know are fully on-board with going union. How is that your location is an anti-union "oasis'?

[59 Dano]

Originally Posted by MrFedEx

Maybe you are a "spy"....I don't know. Here's what I do know. Over the years FedEx execs have perpetuated the myth that FedEx is a "different" company, and that they do care. Unfortunately, a lot of idiot employees have bought into this and honestly believe that FedEx has their best interests at heart. Top management is invested in keeping the myth alive so they can keep the union out and depress wages and benefits.

OK, try this -- go find that "better" job, the one where the execs "care" more than ours do, or even as much. I looked, and I couldn't find it. Now it's your turn.

I'll wait.

Including hourlies (and lower management) in festivities like the 777F roll-out are neither token nor meaningless. This was another opportunity to show that employees other than the top dogs were important, and they chose to squander it and make it a party for themselves instead.

UPS execs at least make an attempt at appearing that they have some level of understanding of life in the field. They don't have private jets, and the whole company forbids meals or coffee at desks in deference to the drivers in the field. Perhaps it's just symbolic, but it's a lot more than we get at Fedex.

Fine. We'll tell them to stop drinking coffee at their desks. You won't be any better off as a result, but maybe you'll stop whining about it.

Progessive organizations understand that frontline employees actually are important members of the "team" and have valuable input, ideas, and strategies that can help a company move forward and increase market share. FedEx no longer understands this concept and depends on engineers and middle managers in MEM who have no idea what a courier really does or how field ops really function. You appear to agree with this concept wholeheartedly.

:::sigh::: Why don't you grow up? Seriously. Your whole schtick is that the company won't do what you think they should. You think that you have all the answers. Nearly every suggestion --rather, demand-- you post seems to have the tone of "This would make me happy, so it would make everyone else happy, so it would be good for the company, so they should do it. I don't know why they don't submit their ideas to me for approval."

What's your management experience, Mr. FedEx? Let's hear about it. How about at the executive level? I'm dying to know! Done any of it at that level for a multi-billion, multinational company?

I know this much -- working at that level is beyond anything either of us could really comprehend. Not to sound cliche, but popularity doesn't put you into those positions. Those guys have to make decisions that can cost the compnay millions of dollars (or generate that much extra revenue). Some are decisions that can affect things for years to come. Those aren't easy decisions to make and I'm kind of happy that I don't have to make them. I don't know that I could, even if I had years of preparation for that type of responsibility.

You seem to think that you're in a position to make them. Too bad you haven't demonstrated any of that skill or insight to rise beyond an hourly position.

Go ahead, be a brick...Fred likes ignorant employees.

So *that* is why you haven't been fired yet!

[59 Dano]

Originally Posted by MrFedEx

I suspect you are also a plant given your sudden appearance here at the BC in conjunction with the company's anti-union efforts. Most of the RTD's and Heavyweight people I know are fully on-board with going union. How is that your location is an anti-union "oasis'?

Artie, since we're both SeKrIt AjUnTz, let's go ahead and sync our decoder rings. After all, anyone who disagrees with MFX is a corporate shill posting here on Fred's direct orders!

I haven't met but 2 people who are pro-union (and one of them isn't really sure). So the real question is, whose meaningless anecdote wins, mine or MFX's? I figure between the two of us, we know the union stances of 200 people or so out of the tens of thousands employed by the company, and that should be enough to know the definite answer.

[Broke]

Originally Posted by MrFedEx

I'm glad you get all of those big-time perks..WOW!! As usual, you missed my point entirely. Do I need to explain to you in a different way that you don't mean squat to upper management? The only folks that matter anymore are pilots and management..we just generate the revenue that pays their big salaries.

And yes, I'd be happy if the big cheeses brown-bagged it and flew commercial. At least they would be trying to show they were making an effort.

By the way, 59 Dano, why is it that you have only appeared with the onset of the RLA controversy? Do you know "Bob", "Rick", or Maury?

We must be getting some attention from high places around here. The corporate talking heads have shown up yet again.

Most of us who are REAL hourly employees come to this forum to vent a little and voice our concerns about what's going wrong with this company. If things were great at Fedex and we were all happy, we probably never waste much time posting messages here. Now, that being said, why do these people that say their happy employees and everything's great working at Fedex waste so much time rebutting the facts that you and I point out on here??It's probably because their part of the brownbailout crew and trying to spread more misinformation

[59 Dano]

Originally Posted by Broke

We must be getting some attention from high places around here. The corporate talking heads have shown up yet again.

Most of us who are REAL hourly employees come to this forum to vent a little and voice our concerns about what's going wrong with this company. If things were great at Fedex and we were all happy, we probably never waste much time posting messages here. Now, that being said, why do these people that say their happy employees and everything's great working at Fedex waste so much time rebutting the facts that you and I point out on here??It's probably because their part of the brownbailout crew and trying to spread more misinformation

Let's put things into perspective. It's a dozen or so people posting here out of tens of thousands. Many of the post are pure bonehead absurdity ("Waaahhhh, the suits get to have coffee at their desks!!") that hardly anyone is going to take seriously in the first place. Others are the paranoid types who attribute all dissent to corporate moles ("I'm unhappy, which means that everyone else should be unhappy, therefore anyone who isn't unhappy MUST be a corporate plant spreading propaganda!!11!!").

Yep, corporate is shaking in its boots.

[MrFedEx]

Originally Posted by 59 Dano

Artie, since we're both SeKrIt AjUnTz, let's go ahead and sync our decoder rings. After all, anyone who disagrees with MFX is a corporate shill posting here on Fred's direct orders!

I haven't met but 2 people who are pro-union (and one of them isn't really sure). So the real question is, whose meaningless anecdote wins, mine or MFX's? I figure between the two of us, we know the union stances of 200 people or so out of the tens of thousands employed by the company, and that should be enough to know the definite answer.

You haven't met but 2 people who are pro-union? How self-serving and inaccurate can you get? Meaningless? I know people all over the country who work for FedEx, from handlers to ramp agents to RTD's, and their reports to me indicate an overwhelming pro-union stance. There are plenty of managers who speak the company line in public but privately hope the union gets in.

You and Artee and the rest of the Fred worshippers can be mindless synchophants all you like, but it doesn't change the fact that most employees want the Teamsters. When we finally go union you won't have to come on here any longer and spread your manure, will you?

[Slobberman]

Only pro unioners at Fedex ive ever heard of were on this site.Fred does a great job at brain washing.

[Broke]

Originally Posted by 59 Dano

Let's put things into perspective. It's a dozen or so people posting here out of tens of thousands. Many of the post are pure bonehead absurdity ("Waaahhhh, the suits get to have coffee at their desks!!") that hardly anyone is going to take seriously in the first place. Others are the paranoid types who attribute all dissent to corporate moles ("I'm unhappy, which means that everyone else should be unhappy, therefore anyone who isn't unhappy MUST be a corporate plant spreading propaganda!!11!!").

Yep, corporate is shaking in its boots.

Yes corporate is shaking in their boots, that's why you're here isn't it? Why else would you guys be spending millions and millions lobbying against the pro-union legislation and wasting time with brownbailout? I read that on Sept 22nd Fedex hired another lobbying firm (one with ties to the Clinton administration) to lobby against the express carrier protection legislation. I guess it never hurts to grease both sides of the isle.

In the end it really shouldn't matter what happens with this legislation, since only 2 of us out of 100,000 want a union. lol

[59 Dano]

Originally Posted by MrFedEx

You haven't met but 2 people who are pro-union? How self-serving and inaccurate can you get? Meaningless? I know people all over the country who work for FedEx, from handlers to ramp agents to RTD's, and their reports to me indicate an overwhelming pro-union stance. There are plenty of managers who speak the company line in public but privately hope the union gets in.

You and Artee and the rest of the Fred worshippers can be mindless synchophants all you like, but it doesn't change the fact that most employees want the Teamsters. When we finally go union you won't have to come on here any longer and spread your manure, will you?

Yes, my favorite source of info is an anonymous person on the internet who makes wild claims that cannot be verified.

"All of the people I know want one thing, and if the people you know don't want it, well... ummmm.... well.... it doesn't count!!"

[59 Dano]

Originally Posted by Broke

Yes corporate is shaking in their boots, that's why you're here isn't it? Why else would you guys be spending millions and millions lobbying against the pro-union legislation and wasting time with brownbailout? I read that on Sept 22nd Fedex hired another lobbying firm (one with ties to the Clinton administration) to lobby against the express carrier protection legislation. I guess it never hurts to grease both sides of the isle.

Oh, you figured it out! FRED sends us here because he cares what a handful of people on the internet are saying. Yep, that's it.

Expect some black helicopters at your house any day now.

In the end it really shouldn't matter what happens with this legislation, since only 2 of us out of 100,000 want a union. lol

I said that about 2 of the people I deal with said that, but that's OK, you can embellish it to suit your taste.

[FedExer267]

So I have a question if Fred is not worried about what is said on here why is it that the brown cafe has popped up in interviews and such as a resource for how employees feel? Why would they even bother if they were not worried? and why is it that weekly a new name pops up talking about how the employees are wrong and worships Fred? This may be irrelavant from me because I am just a underpaid no benefit getting ground driver who does the same job but Fred figured out a way to screw hard working people out of a decent wage

[59 Dano]

Originally Posted by FedExer267

So I have a question if Fred is not worried about what is said on here why is it that the brown cafe has popped up in interviews and such as a resource for how employees feel? Why would they even bother if they were not worried? and why is it that weekly a new name pops up talking about how the employees are wrong and worships Fred? This may be irrelavant from me because I am just a underpaid no benefit getting ground driver who does the same job but Fred figured out a way to screw hard working people out of a decent wage

It's not irrelevant, but it's not very accurate. I'm not aware of any interviews that mention BC. Not saying that they don't exist, but that I'm not aware of them.

No one is posting that anyone worships Fred. There's the misconception that if you don't make 2348 negative "Fred this, Fred that, Fred Fred Fred" claims, then you worship him.

Regardless, there is a pile of Maslow's hammers over there. Take as many as you need. They're quite popular here.

[Broke]

Originally Posted by 59 Dano

It's not irrelevant, but it's not very accurate. I'm not aware of any interviews that mention BC. Not saying that they don't exist, but that I'm not aware of them.

No one is posting that anyone worships Fred. There's the misconception that if you don't make 2348 negative "Fred this, Fred that, Fred Fred Fred" claims, then you worship him.

Regardless, there is a pile of Maslow's hammers over there. Take as many as you need. They're quite popular here.

The Washington Post mentioned the Brown Cafe as their reference when they ran the article "claiming" UPS drivers were being forced to write letters to their Senators in support of the legislation that would put Fedex drivers under the NLRA. I'm sure you were already aware of this since you know everything else.

[DorkHead]

I haven't met but 2 people who are pro-union (and one of them isn't really sure). So the real question is, whose meaningless anecdote wins, mine or MFX's? I figure between the two of us, we know the union stances of 200 people or so out of the tens of thousands employed by the company, and that should be enough to know the definite answer.[/QUOTE]


I know 3 FedEx drivers in my area, 2 express and 1 ground. Honestly, all 3 have expressed to me that they would vote to unionize if they get the opportunity. The Express drivers are tired of losing more and more of what they started with and the ground driver is just tired of everything.

[MrFedEx]

Originally Posted by 59 Dano

Let's put things into perspective. It's a dozen or so people posting here out of tens of thousands. Many of the post are pure bonehead absurdity ("Waaahhhh, the suits get to have coffee at their desks!!") that hardly anyone is going to take seriously in the first place. Others are the paranoid types who attribute all dissent to corporate moles ("I'm unhappy, which means that everyone else should be unhappy, therefore anyone who isn't unhappy MUST be a corporate plant spreading propaganda!!11!!").

Yep, corporate is shaking in its boots.

That's right..there are only a handful of us out there who would go union. Try about 80%...that's a "handful", right? Maury Lane (Chief PR Flak and Shill) has openly threatened politicians who support the end of the RLA exemption, brownbailout.com was created at tremendous expense, and Smith has his lobbyists working overtime trying to buy support. That sounds like a company that is very worried to me.

The sudden appearance of a select group of FedEx supporters on this site(like you) is another indication that Fred is quite concerned. You can pretend everything is just great all you want, but the reality is that the majority of hourly employees are sick of the games and will go union at first opportunity. Keep trying, OK?

[FedEx courier]

If FedEx thinks it's employees wouldn't vote for a Union they wouldn't even care about the RLA change to the NLRA. The only true test for this situation is for them to allow it to be changed. Instead of letting that change happen they are spending millions of dollars fighting against their employees having a right to even vote on a Union. It clearly doesn't seem like they would be doing that for no reason at all. It doesn't seem like it can get more black and white than it is right now. If they felt everyone was happy at the company they wouldn't even care about the RLA classification change.

[DOWNTRODDEN IN TEXAS]

I'd much rather have a pension and a freaking raise than a lie-filled, antiunion website and lobbying campaign....but who am I? I absolutely, positively make it happen on the FrontLine, that's who I am!

[bbsam]

Originally Posted by DOWNTRODDEN IN TEXAS

I'd much rather have a pension and a freaking raise than a lie-filled, antiunion website and lobbying campaign....but who am I? I absolutely, positively make it happen on the FrontLine, that's who I am!

You, like me, are a cog in the machine. Why you would think the frontline so much more important than any other part is bewildering. Frontline has always been cannon fodder.

[59 Dano]

Originally Posted by MrFedEx

That's right..there are only a handful of us out there who would go union. Try about 80%...that's a "handful", right? Maury Lane (Chief PR Flak and Shill) has openly threatened politicians who support the end of the RLA exemption, brownbailout.com was created at tremendous expense, and Smith has his lobbyists working overtime trying to buy support. That sounds like a company that is very worried to me.

The sudden appearance of a select group of FedEx supporters on this site(like you) is another indication that Fred is quite concerned. You can pretend everything is just great all you want, but the reality is that the majority of hourly employees are sick of the games and will go union at first opportunity. Keep trying, OK?

Just out of curiousity, where do you get this 80% figure from?

And yes, Fred sends us here to post on his behalf! Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that he's not after you.

[59 Dano]

Originally Posted by FedEx courier

If FedEx thinks it's employees wouldn't vote for a Union they wouldn't even care about the RLA change to the NLRA. The only true test for this situation is for them to allow it to be changed. Instead of letting that change happen they are spending millions of dollars fighting against their employees having a right to even vote on a Union. It clearly doesn't seem like they would be doing that for no reason at all. It doesn't seem like it can get more black and white than it is right now. If they felt everyone was happy at the company they wouldn't even care about the RLA classification change.

I doubt anyone will attempt to burglarize my home tomorrow, but I'm still gonna lock the doors when I leave.

[MrFedEx]

Originally Posted by 59 Dano

Just out of curiosity, where do you get this 80% figure from?

And yes, Fred sends us here to post on his behalf! Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that he's not after you.

80% is my estimate based on what I hear from co-workers all over the country. Paranoid? I've seen what happens to people who are openly pro-union at FedEx...they disappear.

Back in 1996 and 1997 I openly organized for the Teamsters and was immediately targeted by management. Don't believe me? A senior manager friend showed me the memo from the MD assigning an ops manager to monitor my movements and report back to him. Management tried to set me up several times for termination....I was smarter. They also tried to infiltrate union meetings in courier uniforms, only to be tossed-out.

Don't you think Freddy would like to know who is on here?