Greivance

over9five · 09-02-2007, 05:49 PM

I have never been sorry the next day for filing a greivance. It's all part of the game.

1989 · 09-02-2007, 08:24 PM

It's a fun game to give an extra 20-30 stops the next day. watch the guy almost have an aneurysm when he finds out. I would just tell the guy to grow some cahonas and do his job. It's still fun to watch drivers act like 2 year olds in the morning.

over9five · 09-02-2007, 08:49 PM

It's also fun to stay out an extra hour and listen to your sup cry the next day! I've made lots of extra money over the years playing the game.

over9five · 09-02-2007, 08:52 PM

Gee, Mr 1989, why does your profile say you are a driver?

Typical lying supervisor?

1989 · 09-02-2007, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by over9five

It's also fun to stay out an extra hour and listen to your sup cry the next day! I've made lots of extra money over the years playing the game.

Yea, but it's always better being on the side that has the control. I could always add work to the same 6 to 8 drivers for their bogus greivances. Then the 3rd day give him an 8.5 day.

1989 · 09-02-2007, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by over9five

Gee, Mr 1989, why does your profile say you are a driver?

Typical lying supervisor?

Because I'm a driver now. Was a pt preload sup in the early 90s.

Leftinbuilding · 09-02-2007, 09:49 PM

Almost 34 years-never filed a grievence. Some people seem to think constant filing makes them a hero of some sort. I won't hide behind a piece of paper, would rather talk face to face. Always smooth? Nope, but I've made it this far with no ulcers.

RockyRogue · 09-02-2007, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Leftinbuilding

Almost 34 years-never filed a grievence. Some people seem to think constant filing makes them a hero of some sort. I won't hide behind a piece of paper, would rather talk face to face. Always smooth? Nope, but I've made it this far with no ulcers.

About two years in two hubs, different parts of the country and I never plan to file a grievance. I filed one in retail and almost got a grey hair at 18 for the stress it caused me

. No sir...not worth it. I work with a steward that'll file for ANYTHING. He asked me to be a witness for a supe working grievance once and I refused to step into that one. He's not been happy with me since. I've tried the face-to-face thing with a supe, in fact just recently and yours truly was given 100% of the blame

. Talk about "open communication." I have to have a discussion with another full-time supe this week after the holiday and the entire issue may come up. In any event, Left, no its not always smooth but involving a third party (the union) just escalates things. Not advocating "mano-a-mano" conduct but its been my experience that a good manager/supe will be a little more respecful and willing to discuss solutions if its kept internal until the issue is at a standstill (i.e the manager/supe won't correct whatever the problem is). In my case, its a full-timer not putting a low-quality part-time supe on a short leash and/or in a fenced in yard. -Rocky

MR_Vengeance · 09-02-2007, 10:36 PM

you might as well file your name in the blackbook if you do. walking around with a bullseye on your back, like me.

upsgrunt · 09-02-2007, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 1989

It's a fun game to give an extra 20-30 stops the next day. watch the guy almost have an aneurysm when he finds out. I would just tell the guy to grow some cahonas and do his job. It's still fun to watch drivers act like 2 year olds in the morning.

It's also fun to see managers lie and say " there is absolutely no retaliation at UPS". So, are you a pathological liar or did it develop with the job?

1989 · 09-02-2007, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by upsgrunt

It's also fun to see managers lie and say " there is absolutely no retaliation at UPS". So, are you a pathological liar or did it develop with the job?

I just played the game...I don't consider that retaliation...A driver delivers packages, don't they? Retaliation would be some sort of disipline, warning letter or termination.

upsgrunt · 09-02-2007, 11:05 PM

No, retaliation is exactly like what you did! Kind of like a 2 year old- "he hit me so I bit him." I only hope you get your fair share now that you are a driver.

1989 · 09-02-2007, 11:15 PM

I guess in your eyes I do...Always do the crappiest routes...Then I help a driver or 2 with 20 to 40 stops everyday. But that's what I do for a living. I deliver packages. The boring part is I've been doing the same 6 or 7 routes for almost 2 years now. Helping people is the only time I can do something new...I almost wish I would have stayed in my old center.

upsgrunt · 09-02-2007, 11:22 PM

I just have no use for the game playing and retaliation that you showed and I know goes on at every building, but is denied company wide. I can't figure out why drivers are called liars.

1989 · 09-02-2007, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by upsgrunt

I just have no use for the game playing and retaliation that you showed and I know goes on at every building, but is denied company wide. I can't figure out why drivers are called liars.

You could say I just let the stops build up. I could have moved a split, but I didn't have the staffing. If I did it myself it could have been a justified greivance. The games go both ways.

some drivers are dishonest...I could name about 20 in my old building.

upsgrunt · 09-02-2007, 11:55 PM

It takes a big man to call himself dishonest and a liar-just leave me out of it. This is all your baby; you brought yours to driving from your previous management position. Perhaps the "other drivers" you referred to were previously supes also?

1989 · 09-03-2007, 12:11 AM

No, 3 of them were those bogus greivance filers. One was a drug dealer serving 4 years, One is serving 7 years for molesting his 9 year old niece (they were fired) I could go on if you like.

You have to remember you work for the company not the union. Without the company there is no union.

area43 · 09-03-2007, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by over9five

I have never been sorry the next day for filing a greivance. It's all part of the game.

I'm starting to really like this thread. LOL I couldn't agree with you more 9/5. I do not encourage filing a bogus greivance. Like with anything the greivance proceedure can be abused. I have found out in my 22 yrs that mgt will in fact push the envelope so to speak on an employee that he knows he can get away with it. Filing a greivance in the right way can be a very power tool in changing a sups sometimes questionable practices. Side note. I am totally focusing on geivances and not on warning letters. Tit for Tat can be annoying. UPSers, pick your battles carefully. Again, its like Vegas. Weigh the odds. A good steward, should counsel you on what approach you should take. If at all possible I prefer not to file a greivance. Constantly filing a greivance on anything and everything with little or no dialogue between the sups hurts the greivance process. I believe in my opinion, the greivance will lose its punch to some degree. I seen this happen. Kind of like crying wolf all the time.

In closing, as I have stated before I am for the non confrontational approach. Filing a greivance does not mean your a bad empoyee. Its a last result. It can be constructive. Its a way of documenting an incident, keeping a so called legal file perphaps on a violation. We all know how bad a sups memory can be at times. Also you might be surprised, that the sups might respect you a little more. They could actually take you a little more seriously next time. Hopefully there wont be a next time. Folks, there have been great sups and lets say a little more stubborn sups that I have had the pleasure of serving under at my time at UPS. Its the stubborn ones that need a little time behind the wood shed so to speak. wink, wink. ( ;

dillweed · 09-03-2007, 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by over9five

"I had a preloader who was very negative towards most people........so I filed a grevance to have this guy taken off our drop."

Brownedout,
What article did management violate by putting one of their own employees to load your car?
Which article did they violate? I don't understand how a greivance fixed this.
What did the Union say when you effectively filed against another Teamster?

over 9, if language and attitude get too rough a person should speak up. There's a handy little "diginty and respect" clause in the contract.

Our union doesn't like to file grievances between employees and will attack management for allowing the crap to go on. It's amazing how pushy and rude some folks are and I've had some pretty good sized guys get in my face and threaten to meet me in the parking lot.. I've been there a long time, know the operation and don't like folks screwing around and making my job harder. They don't much like being told to knock it off. Management is supposed to squash this stuff but they seem to love it. Keep the hourlies at each others' throats and they will be a weaker group.

We're a small center and the group is pretty well behaved. Unfortunately we're getting some new people who want to claim the turf. Some folks, like myself, have no problem fighting back. Sort if wish I could play the game better but never learned the rules. :confused1

Cezanne · 09-03-2007, 05:58 AM

I believe that the correct spelling is "grievances", but I could be wrong on that. :confused1 But we get your point.

moreluck · 09-03-2007, 07:01 AM

cezanne....right on the spelling. It's been bugging me since this thread first appeared. Thankyou.

The rule is "i" before "e" except after "c" OR when pronounced as "ay" like in neigh and weigh.