Greivance

upsgrunt · 09-03-2007, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 1989

I agree the wages are better because of the union. For all full time employees especially management. I went driving because the job is easier. (only have to worry about 1 or 2 trucks. not 80 to 120) It took 2 years to make the hourly wage I was making as a pt sup.

So you're saying that management wages are better because of the union? WHAT?

1989 · 09-03-2007, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by upsgrunt

So you're saying that management wages are better because of the union? WHAT?

Yes, because mgmt has to be paid more than the hourly for the incenitve togo into mgmt.

upsgrunt · 09-03-2007, 05:42 PM

Sorry, but I don't agree with you. I was always told it is easier than driving, but paid about the same as driving. You say it is harder than driving and pays the same as driving. You confuse me- are you sure you're not still in management?

1989 · 09-03-2007, 05:58 PM

I'm sure, I pay union dues...Driving gets boring tho...I don't understand why drivers cry soooo much.

1989 · 09-03-2007, 06:00 PM

Do you think a manager would get the same pay if a drivers full scale was $10 an hour?

woodsy · 09-03-2007, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by 1989

It's a fun game to give an extra 20-30 stops the next day. watch the guy almost have an aneurysm when he finds out. I would just tell the guy to grow some cahonas and do his job. It's still fun to watch drivers act like 2 year olds in the morning.

itseven more fun to bring them back in and see the looks on there faces lol

over9five · 09-03-2007, 06:13 PM

"I don't understand why drivers cry soooo much."

And yet you say you are a driver. You seem to think that every driver except you cries soooooo much. Obviously, your many years as a driver has taught you something the rest of us missed.

So, please enlighten us. I want to learn from your vast experience.

upsgrunt · 09-03-2007, 06:16 PM

1. I don't care what others get paid- I worry about what I get paid.
2. Do you think any manager would work for that kind of money?
3. If you weren't challenged by supervision and driving is boring to you, why do you stay? Shouldn't you run for office or something?

1989 · 09-03-2007, 07:59 PM

I guess the difference is I enjoy change.....Most drivers can't handle change.

RockyRogue · 09-03-2007, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by 1989

I guess the difference is I enjoy change.....Most drivers can't handle change.

Most PEOPLE don't like change. I think you're making a mistake in accusing just one work group of disliking change. In addition, I think you're insulting drivers when you accuse them of not liking change. I worked with a great driver last Peak that had been a swing/cover driver for over 10 years because he liked the challenge and change of running different routes. And no, he wasn't interested in management. He could have had a route years earlier but he bided his time and eventually wound up with one of the best routes in the Center. He told me how many routes he knew but I forget now. UPS is built around predictability and low-risk. Not saying that's a bad thing but some people--drivers included--are willing to take risks. I'm not a driver (I'm a p/t sorter in Colorado) but I do take risks, sans reasonable, well-thought-out and justifiable risks. Make sense? -Rocky

1989 · 09-04-2007, 06:30 AM

You maybe right, but in my experience of the 400 drivers I've worked with few drivers enjoy the challenge of doing new routes cold. If I had my way, I would do a new route everyday.

rod · 09-04-2007, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by 1989

You maybe right, but in my experience of the 400 drivers I've worked with few drivers enjoy the challenge of doing new routes cold. If I had my way, I would do a new route everyday.

And make scratch diong them

I think I finally know who that "Super Driver" that management was always talking about that made the rest of us look like slugs is. Trouble with coming back on your route the next day was dealing with all the send agains and driver complaints this character could generate.

Harley Rider · 09-04-2007, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 1989

Yes, because mgmt has to be paid more than the hourly for the incenitve togo into mgmt.

I know when I almost took the plunge to go into full time management several years ago I was going to have to take a hefty pay cut. All management people I know took a pay cut when they first went in.

upsgrunt · 09-04-2007, 07:30 PM

I guess "super driver" doesn't know as much as he thinks he does!

govols019 · 09-04-2007, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 1989

I've never filed a greivance in 18 years...But have had over 200 filed on me by the save few people...Never had one paid. If you comunicate with the company professionally and not the union you get so much more done...Every time they filed a greivance they were sorry the next day. I loved it.

You, sir, are full of crap.

upsgrunt · 09-04-2007, 08:05 PM

I hate to sound negative, but he is kind of "full of himself"

mikestrek · 09-04-2007, 11:56 PM

I've been with the company now for 23 years and I have never filed a greivance. I've always believed our center was a non-union center. Our shop stewart hangs out with our management and gets all the perks he can get. Nice automatic package car, Low stop counts, days off. I know if I complain about a problem I won't get backed up. Don't get me wrong. I'm a proud teamster and I wish we had a union and shop stewart like most of you.