Young Drivers

[upsman29]

Originally Posted by VTBrown

When the time comes that my knee can't take the punishment? I'll bid into Feeders or a 22.3.

I hope for you its alot easier to bid on those jobs at your center than mine....Ive worked here for 20 years and im still many full moons away from being able to bid into those jobs...As far as your knees and the many injuries you've had with them you'll be lucky to see a pension...Keep burning those routes up and UPS will be buying you out soon enough..... For all those other guys skipping lunch think of this, for every 8 guys at your center who skips lunch thats a route not needed if everyone would take their lunch between the 4th and 6th hr everyday everyone would be able to see their family early because they would
eventually have to put that extra route in to not miss business stops...It wouldnt happen at first but after a few conference calls with the division manager things would have to change...

[browned out]

Originally Posted by upsman29

I hope for your its alot easier to bid on those jobs at your center than mine....Ive worked here for 20 years and im still many full moons away from being able to bid into those jobs...As far as your knees and the many injuries you've had with them you'll be lucky to see a pension...Keep burning those routes up and UPS will be buying you out soon enough..... For all those other guys skipping lunch think of this, for every 8 guys at your center who skips lunch thats a route not needed if everyone would take their lunch between the 4th and 6th hr everyday everyone would be able to see their family early because they would
eventually have to put that extra route in to not miss business stops...It wouldnt happen at first but after a few conference calls with the division manager things would have to change...

Right, and that injury buy out does't go far. 3 guys I know got an average of 120,000. Not much for bustin your knees, back, elbows,ankes,nuts and whatever else can hurt.

I like the fact that in CA the DIAD shuts down for the lunch period. (or so Ive heard)

[upsman29]

These young guys talk about how slow the old times are on their route I guess they've never seen the instructional videos they show us from time to time..... I figure if thats how they have to work then ill follow their lead....

[VTBrown]

This is were you are wrong. It's the biggest myth at UPS.

Running a lunch DOES NOT relate to having less routes on. If you have any idea at all about how UPS dispatches you'd know that one.

They get a magical number that tells them how many stops per car need to dispatched. They can either decide to be hero's and cut a route or be the goat and add a route.

What it all boils down to is the fact that skipping your lunch only gets you in an hour earlier.

[upsman29]

Originally Posted by VTBrown

This is were you are wrong. It's the biggest myth at UPS.

Running a lunch DOES NOT relate to having less routes on. If you have any idea at all about how UPS dispatches you'd know that one.

They get a magical number that tells them how many stops per car need to dispatched. They can either decide to be hero's and cut a route or be the goat and add a route.

What it all boils down to is the fact that skipping your lunch only gets you in an hour earlier.

OK rookie let me explain.....Say you can run 15 stops per hr and your pickups take 2 hrs to complete you start them at 3pm....You start at 9am that means by 1:50 you would have to be done with all businesses at the 15 stops an hr that would be about 72 business stops now if you skip lunch you can run another 15 stops of businesses which would be 87 stops....Had you taken your lunch those extra stops would have had to be put on someone else because you cant be 2 places at once and we all know you DO NOT miss pickups...UPS's magical number is for little wanna be management dudes like you that they can abuse because you do know any better....I dont care what the computer says I should be able to run because a human made it think that way and humans are wrong more often than not....Get on the CAR stop using time studies that are 25 years old and see if the numbers are off in most cases they are also not all but most are....You are such a sucker fed ex lost such a go getter.........

[VTBrown]

Originally Posted by upsman29

OK rookie let me explain.....Say you can run 15 stops per hr and your pickups take 2 hrs to complete you start them at 3pm....You start at 9am that means by 1:50 you would have to be done with all businesses at the 15 stops an hr that would be about 72 business stops now if you skip lunch you can run another 15 stops of businesses which would be 87 stops....Had you taken your lunch those extra stops would have had to be put on someone else because you cant be 2 places at once and we all know you DO NOT miss pickups...UPS's magical number is for little wanna be management dudes like you that they can abuse because you do know any better....I dont care what the computer says I should be able to run because a human made it think that way and humans are wrong more often than not....Get on the CAR stop using time studies that are 25 years old and see if the numbers are off in most cases they are also not all but most are....You are such a sucker fed ex lost such a go getter.........

Ok dork.....let me try and say this r e a l s l o w so you can understand me.
I'm a cover driver......duh - I'm getting the same dispatch the bid driver is getting on e v e r y route that I do.

Did you follow that? Should I cut and paste so you have to REREAD it?

I seem to be missing something here......what planet err....center are you from where you work from 9 to 5? I mean honestly here. Damn dude....I want to come work at your center so I can get an 8 hour dispatch on a local commercial route!

You seem to be forgetting one thing.....I have not attacked anyone here until I was attacked by you all.

You attack the guy who runs his lunch and goes home...but every single one of you tools turn your head the other way when drivers are taking their lunches or breaks at the end of the day, when their work is done. I see it all the time.

It's the same thing. I just don't sit there at the center for an hour every night or at the local gas station waiting for my lunch to be over.

[upsman29]

Originally Posted by VTBrown

Ok dork.....let me try and say this r e a l s l o w so you can understand me.
I'm a cover driver......duh - I'm getting the same dispatch the bid driver is getting on e v e r y route that I do.

Did you follow that? Should I cut and paste so you have to REREAD it?

I seem to be missing something here......what planet err....center are you from where you work from 9 to 5? I mean honestly here. Damn dude....I want to come work at your center so I can get an 8 hour dispatch on a local commercial route!

You seem to be forgetting one thing.....I have not attacked anyone here until I was attacked by you all.

You attack the guy who runs his lunch and goes home...but every single one of you tools turn your head the other way when drivers are taking their lunches or breaks at the end of the day, when their work is done. I see it all the time.

It's the same thing. I just don't sit there at the center for an hour every night or at the local gas station waiting for my lunch to be over.

You're unreal dude maybe that 6th grade education is something to be proud of where you're from but it doesnt do squat for you here....I was explaining how not taking a lunch adds stops to your day and by taking a lunch it would alter the business delivery side of your day....I only spoke of business stops because residental delivery stops never close and can be delivered anytime during the day or evening/night....I never said a word about getting off at 5pm....If you take your lunch during the 4th and 6th hr you cant deliver as many businesses as you can by skipping it and if you cant make all your business stops and miss a few then they would have to lower the business stops on that route...Im not saying screw the company by working slow give an honest days work for an honest days pay and if you cant do it then oh well....Its their problem....

[Griff]

Originally Posted by upsman29

You're unreal dude maybe that 6th grade education is something to be proud of where you're from but it doesnt do squat for you here....I was explaining how not taking a lunch adds stops to your day and by taking a lunch it would alter the business delivery side of your day....I only spoke of business stops because residental delivery stops never close and can be delivered anytime during the day or evening/night....I never said a word about getting off at 5pm....If you take your lunch during the 4th and 6th hr you cant deliver as many businesses as you can by skipping it and if you cant make all your business stops and miss a few then they would have to lower the business stops on that route...Im not saying screw the company by working slow give an honest days work for an honest days pay and if you cant do it then oh well....Its their problem....

Why bother? He doesn't understand the gravity of the lunch situation. This is the same type of retard that doesn't understand why split raises are a bad thing. Some people are just destined to be clueless and without common sense for their entire life. He also doesn't have a bid and doesn't understand what he is in for once he does win one. I have seen many drivers like him finally get their own route and management blows the stop count through the roof, it becomes a glorified split for the surrounding area. I know this type all too well, he'll be the guy who rebids on a different route every year after he runs his route into the ground.

[Pickups]

Originally Posted by Griff

Why bother? He doesn't understand the gravity of the lunch situation. This is the same type of retard that doesn't understand why split raises are a bad thing. Some people are just destined to be clueless and without common sense for their entire life. He also doesn't have a bid and doesn't understand what he is in for once he does win one. I have seen many drivers like him finally get their own route and management blows the stop count through the roof, it becomes a glorified split for the surrounding area. I know this type all too well, he'll be the guy who rebids on a different route every year after he runs his route into the ground.

I have never seen such retarded responses to a driver that actually works hard. Remember, he doesn't have his own route yet. Why would you want some lazy retard filling in your route? Just to make you look good, when all you do is milk your route? VTbrown can do my route anytime.

[Pickups]

Originally Posted by VTBrown

Ok dork.....let me try and say this r e a l s l o w so you can understand me.
I'm a cover driver......duh - I'm getting the same dispatch the bid driver is getting on e v e r y route that I do.

Did you follow that? Should I cut and paste so you have to REREAD it?

I seem to be missing something here......what planet err....center are you from where you work from 9 to 5? I mean honestly here. Damn dude....I want to come work at your center so I can get an 8 hour dispatch on a local commercial route!

You seem to be forgetting one thing.....I have not attacked anyone here until I was attacked by you all.

You attack the guy who runs his lunch and goes home...but every single one of you tools turn your head the other way when drivers are taking their lunches or breaks at the end of the day, when their work is done. I see it all the time.

It's the same thing. I just don't sit there at the center for an hour every night or at the local gas station waiting for my lunch to be over.

I hear you brother. There's a lot of old timers that use this forum to bash younger guys like myself. It gets old. I will probably just have to add a forum to my web site so that the newer drivers don't have to deal with the older guys, set in their ways.

[VTBrown]

Originally Posted by upsman29

You're unreal dude maybe that 6th grade education is something to be proud of where you're from but it doesnt do squat for you here....I was explaining how not taking a lunch adds stops to your day and by taking a lunch it would alter the business delivery side of your day....I only spoke of business stops because residental delivery stops never close and can be delivered anytime during the day or evening/night....I never said a word about getting off at 5pm....If you take your lunch during the 4th and 6th hr you cant deliver as many businesses as you can by skipping it and if you cant make all your business stops and miss a few then they would have to lower the business stops on that route...Im not saying screw the company by working slow give an honest days work for an honest days pay and if you cant do it then oh well....Its their problem....

You guys amaze me.....you really do. God...the stupidity that drivels out of most of your keyboards.

I do what is put on the car. It's the same stop count the "bid" driver gets.
When I finish "covering" the route and the "bid" driver comes back? Guess what? He gets the same stop count he always has had.

No one has done any extra work. If you can't comprehend what I'm saying....perhaps you need to question your own education. I don't know where all of these mystery stops are coming from...I never see them.

Guys WANT me to cover their routes....you know why? Because I actually deliver everything. I don't NSN or NI the chasers, the customers find me pleasant and I pick up after myself.

I don't think you have any real clue as to what an honest days work translates into at our salary vs other manual labor jobs.

[upsgrunt]

VT, I just wonder what makes you think you are always right and others, even those who have done this job 20 YEARS longer than you are wrong? Experience is a strong education that you obviously just don't understand. While you think us old timers are simply on here to gripe, why don't YOU read and understand that we are sometimes trying to get you to see a point that you won't even open your eyes to see.
Getting home to your family is great; donating money to UPS to do so is not. Whatever priority you have is yours and I doubt that it is any different from 98% of the others here in this forum. What I'm saying is eventually you will get older and to the point where you get tired and say it's not worth it because all I do when I get home is crash. I can't tell you when it will happen, but I promise you it will. Just try this for a couple days: take your lunch and see what happens to your dispatch. I was amazed that it goes up quite a bit while the over/under numbers stay about the same. Don't know why, but it did for me, and I have a little more energy in the tank at night and towards the end of the week.
I know you think you are smarter and better than any of us here, so take it or leave it- I do know for a fact that your attitude WILL change in the future if you stay at UPS. When I talk about this job being a marathon, not a sprint, I am referring the the longevity of the job, not the pace in which you do it. As far as be an idiot, I have a degree from a major midwestern University in the Big Ten. If that makes me an idiot then tell me what makes you a founding member of MENSA.

[MR_Vengeance]

Originally Posted by Pickups

I hear you brother. There's a lot of old timers that use this forum to bash younger guys like myself. It gets old. I will probably just have to add a forum to my web site so that the newer drivers don't have to deal with the older guys, set in their ways.

We need more guys like you in UPS........hell, we need more guys like you in Iraq right now.

[VTBrown]

Why are you arguing then? You've got this wonderful education from a prestigious (well not really - not any better then any small state school) college. Yet you have failed to read or comprehend anything in this entire thread.

When or If my body breaks down - I'll bid feeders or go management.

[upsgrunt]

Originally Posted by VTBrown

Why are you arguing then? You've got this wonderful education from a prestigious (well not really - not any better then any small state school) college. Yet you have failed to read or comprehend anything in this entire thread.

When or If my body breaks down - I'll bid feeders or go management.

I give up--I'm just so sorry that the future of UPS and my pension is in your hands. Try soaking your head in Palmolive- it might soften up slightly.

[upsgrunt]

Sorry, I have to know one thing-what makes you so smart and superior to everyone else? What makes you think that management would even have you and your closed mind anyway, and why is it that you attack any response to your posts with demeaning statements and accusations that we are all "dorks", "idiots", "slow", and that "if we would just read the post" we could clearly see that you are right and we are wrong, but you refuse to follow your own advice. You clearly think that you are the heartbeat of UPS and I just want to know why and how you did it.

[Griff]

Originally Posted by VTBrown

When or If my body breaks down - I'll bid feeders or go management.

Last time you made a similar statement it was "I'll bid feeders or 22.3", my my my how your plans have changed. Next time you make the statement the feeder bit will be removed from consideration just like 22.3. Why would your body break down though, you and 1989 could do this job for 35yrs easy, it's a cake job. Keep on "burning" those routes up along with your contractual entitlements. Run, Forrest, run!

[VTBrown]

Actually......I added the management part just for you. Thanks for playing along.

You my friend are the king!

[dirty moose]

Had you taken your lunch those extra stops would have had to be put on someone else because you cant be 2 places at once and we all know you DO NOT miss pickups...

in a perfect world, they would take stops off your car.
in the ups world they stay on and you will be out later!
we all know this.

[upsgrunt]

Still waiting for an answer from VT, the package messiah. I guess he is the one who doesn't read posts. I have another question for the almighty as well: You say you are a cover driver, but post on this site at times like 3 a.m. and 2:30 p.m. during the week. What kind of cover driver are you exactly?