Loss of job threat for calling in an injury

guzzi71 · 10-22-2007, 04:19 AM

Has anyone had an on job injury and have there center mgr refuse to call it in? I did and called it in myself and was told that if i ever did that again he was going to fire me.He hung up on me before I could ask him why not fire me now.I think I have a good reason to file a grievance.What do you think.........

Ms Spoken · 10-22-2007, 05:29 AM

I think you have answered this on your own. No UPS can not refuse you call in an injury if you were hurt on UPS time. Next time get in writing from your CM that your being refused to call in an injury and watch what will happen next.

Think outside the box · 10-22-2007, 06:21 AM

Just remember to always keep your cool and let them fly off the handle. Always point out the obvious. They hate that. They love to schedule meetings in the am when you feel you are under pressure to get out to your route. Make sure you leave the room with your steward and discuss the issue alone with him/her at anytime during the meeting you feel you need to. They have to allow you time to do this. They hate that too. Also if you feel your air commitments will be tight, point that out during the meeting too, with your steward present.

Steward773 · 10-22-2007, 06:35 AM

Buy what I'm reading it sounds like you have a legit reason to file. File under all articles that were violated, also "any pertaining laws, and UPS policy". I handled an inncident similar to this. It went to panel and it was decided that both parties were at fault (he said she said). So, if you have any witnesses...get a written statement from them. good luck!

MR_Vengeance · 10-22-2007, 10:05 AM

your CM should be the one that gets fired.

helenofcalifornia · 10-22-2007, 10:55 AM

And I thought worker comp cases were being handled badly in our center!

10-22-2007, 11:22 AM

From the UPS Code of Business Conduct:

"Employees are required to advise the company of any vehicle accident,
workplace injury, instance of non-compliance, or any situation presenting a
danger of injury."

(The Code of Business Coduct can be read by anyone at ups.com. Maybe your boss should read it)

huskervi · 10-22-2007, 12:27 PM

I had an injury about 3 months ago, and they didnt refuse to call it in but gosh damn, I felt like I was going to have the friggen CIA investigate my ass.. They made it such a big deal. For a company that reminds their employees to "report an injury regardless of severity" at every PCM. And then when someone does report an injury every manager in the building comes after you. What a joke. I am now reporting every single little thing that happens to me. Just to piss them off.

diesel96 · 10-22-2007, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by guzzi71

Has anyone had an on job injury and have there center mgr refuse to call it in? I did and called it in myself and was told that if i ever did that again he was going to fire me.He hung up on me before I could ask him why not fire me now.I think I have a good reason to file a grievance.What do you think.........

Steward773Re: Loss of job threat for calling in an injury
Buy what I'm reading it sounds like you have a legit reason to file. File under all articles that were violated, also "any pertaining laws, and UPS policy". I handled an inncident similar to this. It went to panel and it was decided that both parties were at fault (he said she said). So, if you have any witnesses...get a written statement from them. good luck!

Hold on, not so fast...no discipline has been formally issued here.Therefore, why file a grievance, and on what? He said, she said threats? An Hourly can call in an injury, no big deal. Sounds like a pissed off Mgr venting. If threats persist, have a civil talk w/ mgr and a steward. Make sure you have a legitimate claim on how your injury occurred. But don't file unless you've been serve discipline.

Just Lurking · 10-22-2007, 05:21 PM

Diesel If everything happened as stated.

Discipline has been taken. It has been taken without representation even. File.

The business manager made a statement and if you reasonable believe it than discipline has been taken. He screwed up in more than one way.

If the story is true...

Steward773 · 10-23-2007, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by diesel96

Steward773Re: Loss of job threat for calling in an injury
Buy what I'm reading it sounds like you have a legit reason to file. File under all articles that were violated, also "any pertaining laws, and UPS policy". I handled an inncident similar to this. It went to panel and it was decided that both parties were at fault (he said she said). So, if you have any witnesses...get a written statement from them. good luck!

Hold on, not so fast...no discipline has been formally issued here.Therefore, why file a grievance, and on what? He said, she said threats? An Hourly can call in an injury, no big deal. Sounds like a pissed off Mgr venting. If threats persist, have a civil talk w/ mgr and a steward. Make sure you have a legitimate claim on how your injury occurred. But don't file unless you've been serve discipline.

Discipline isn't the only reason to file a grievance. Any contractual violation is grievable! If this story is true, than I would follow the steps I listed above. If you go and try to talk to a lawyer, or call Atlanta the first thing they will ask you is "did you filed a grievance?" And if you don't , they will say "well, it must not have been that bad". I've seen it happen.

RockyRogue · 10-23-2007, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by cachsux

A 710 driver was being harassed so he made them call in a mosquito bite. He said he was afraid of the potential for West Nile Virus.

ROFLMAO....

. That must have REALLY set 'em off!! Then again...West Nile isn't a joking matter. -Rocky

Just Lurking · 10-23-2007, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Steward773

Discipline isn't the only reason to file a grievance. Any contractual violation is grievable! If this story is true, than I would follow the steps I listed above. If you go and try to talk to a lawyer, or call Atlanta the first thing they will ask you is "did you filed a grievance?" And if you don't , they will say "well, it must not have been that bad". I've seen it happen.

Paper trail. In these type of complaints, most people at local hearing will say so and so had problem with the management person . The companies response will be "did they filed a grievance?" and "well, it must not have been that bad", your are the only person that has problem with management member

guzzi71 · 10-25-2007, 03:13 AM

All the T's have been crossed and the I's dotted,The HR person really got under his skin.Now he won't even talk to me

I love my job,I,love my job,I love my job.There all better

diesel96 · 10-25-2007, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by guzzi71

All the T's have been crossed and the I's dotted,The HR person really got under his skin.Now he won't even talk to me

I love my job,I,love my job,I love my job.There all better

Does this mean you filed or not?...I don't see an HR person stepping on the toes of a Center Mgr at all. If you did file over a threat via telephone conversation I doubt it would even be heard at the local panel level. The BA and the Center Mgr would dicuss it without you. Ultimately grievance would get denied because of lack of evidence and you'll have a big X on your back from that point on. Becareful of the advice you get from habitual grievance filers.

helenofcalifornia · 10-25-2007, 09:52 AM

So what happened with the OJI? Are you off work or on TAW? And watch your back. You are going to have to cross your T's and dot your I's for quite awhile. The manager will be gone before you are.

guzzi71 · 10-26-2007, 02:19 PM

I see the specialist next week,and the HR person did give him an ear full.This one actually does look out for some people.The griv is filed.The last doc was the Comp doc he thinks surgery.I also have all the state laws in print to shove in his face.I'll go down, but I won't go down alone...

No TAW

Big Babooba · 10-26-2007, 02:32 PM

Your center manager is afraid of the 4 letter word - OSHA

helenofcalifornia · 10-26-2007, 07:26 PM

So you see the specialist next week, does that mean you are still working? And you did file a worker's comp claim?

guzzi71 · 10-28-2007, 04:12 AM

I guess you didn't read all the posts...................

UPS Lifer · 10-28-2007, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by guzzi71

Has anyone had an on job injury and have there center mgr refuse to call it in? I did and called it in myself and was told that if i ever did that again he was going to fire me.He hung up on me before I could ask him why not fire me now.I think I have a good reason to file a grievance.What do you think.........

By all means...you need to bring this to the surface and hold the manager accountable. The best way to do this is by writing a grievance. If you feel intimidiated by this alternative call the 800 line.

One of my biggest pet peeves as a management person was being prematurely judged by non-management for the "sins" of previous management. Managers and supervisors that mistreat or show disrespect to others deserve the harshest disipline. Bottom line: They give the rest of us a bad name.
Please...Bring this to light and let others determine the facts. Believe me, something will be done if you get the right people involved. HR - Safety - .

Safety is a very touchy subject and someone who lacks integrety will get what they deserve. Let us know what happens!

I am sorry ...I can't tolerate dishonest managment folks. Mind you, it is not my place to judge this person but it is your responsibility to state the facts as you see them and give the other person the opportunity to defend themselves. You need to do this ASAP! Get your steward and the Employee Relations Mgr involved immediately.

guzzi71 · 10-28-2007, 05:09 PM

Don't worry about me,I've had 20 different supervisors and 7 Ctr Mgrs.There all gone and I'm still here.Been at this game a long time and don't take kindly to threats or harassment.Trust me, I just want others to know what goes on in the big brown it's more of a company info notice.I know my rights and am not afraid to use them and do.It's your right to report an injury as it was his to obligation to report it.He did not I exercised my right and called it in myself. They don't care if you are falling apart as long as it doesn't affect there numbers on road and off.Most of them think they are doctors they are not what I'm saying is if you are injured REPORT it.