Anything I can do?

john346 · 11-07-2007, 06:41 AM

You are an employee, he is your boss. You work for him. He tells you you have to go back to work, you go back to work. They pay you for your work, you are employed by them. I am confused as to why you are disturbed by this. You were hanging around apparently with nothing to do, not getting paid. So they put you in the mode of hanging around & getting paid. Maybe their message to you is to stop loitering about the property while off the clock.
Will you repeat this action in the future? Peak is just around the corner, and they are always looking for bodies to tie up last minute knots. If you like being paid after your usual shift, hang around.
If you are tired of taking their money, make a big stink over this. I would imagine that folks standing in the unemployment line are always eager for a new "I got screwed" story. I am astonsihed how we forget that basic employee / employer relationship & the basics of how it works. I've checked around, no one owes me a living, I can go to trying to live on welfare, but that doesn't look like much of a living to me. Open your eyes, & look around at the people who do far more for far less. You are fortunate in this economy to have a job at all, even this one, where thy have the nerve to ask you to work for your pay. Cheers!

FromBluetoBrown · 11-07-2007, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by john346

You are an employee, he is your boss. You work for him. He tells you you have to go back to work, you go back to work. They pay you for your work, you are employed by them. I am confused as to why you are disturbed by this. You were hanging around apparently with nothing to do, not getting paid. So they put you in the mode of hanging around & getting paid. Maybe their message to you is to stop loitering about the property while off the clock.
Will you repeat this action in the future? Peak is just around the corner, and they are always looking for bodies to tie up last minute knots. If you like being paid after your usual shift, hang around.
If you are tired of taking their money, make a big stink over this. I would imagine that folks standing in the unemployment line are always eager for a new "I got screwed" story. I am astonsihed how we forget that basic employee / employer relationship & the basics of how it works. I've checked around, no one owes me a living, I can go to trying to live on welfare, but that doesn't look like much of a living to me. Open your eyes, & look around at the people who do far more for far less. You are fortunate in this economy to have a job at all, even this one, where thy have the nerve to ask you to work for your pay. Cheers!

You bring up some good points but I think the issue is (and correct me if I am wrong) was that he was FORCED to go back on the clock. I have no problem being ASKED "Hey I know you are off the clock but this needs to get done and I will pay you" but I think my attitude and his I'm sure would change if I was told "Get back on the clock and work or you will be fired".

over9five · 11-07-2007, 09:25 AM

Seems to me the easy answer to this IS: When you are off the clock, you do not have to listen or talk to them. You are not working.

john346 · 11-07-2007, 12:06 PM

I agree about the difference between being forced & asked, but the bottom line is that we all started where he is now. At the bottom of the totem pole, where everyone else is a notch above, and there is a line behind you who want your new job, waiting, praying, that you'll fall short & the slot will reopen for perhaps them.
I have been with these guys for a good long time now, and most-times still, the end of the stick that they extend to me, isn't the preffered end. Some bosses are cool & willing to work with you, some are micro-managing jerks, some ask, some demand. Strikes me that the proximity that he has of being not employed (possibly), to being the new kid & making complaints, are pretty bold. He should remember the time without a steady income pretty well. This is a shaky perch to start swinging out from, and if he rocks the boat too much may well find himself out of a job. Get tough, suck it up, learn the ropes & from your mistakes, do your job, get some seniority, then quote them their scripture, that's all I'm saying.

UPS Lifer · 11-07-2007, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by CFLBrown

I would have called up the shop steward and taken care of any problems you had on the spot. You were off the clock. Period.

If you are a driver who is not out of probation - all you can do is t/w the ctr manager ...better off to leave it alone. If you are a seniority employee as you say "in progression", I would get with your steward and tell him/her what happened and have a sit down with the manager. You said something about a night manager. There usually is no such person unless you happened on the hub manager. My guess is you are talking about a OMS or other supervisor. Make sure you sit down with the center manager and the steward. Your jpb was threatened off the clock. You don't deserve that. Better to get some two way communication going now before you become bitter and let it affect your job.

If nothing else, your manager will get to know you better and you will make your point. Good Luck - don't wait and let us know what happens!

The Brown Santa · 11-07-2007, 04:46 PM

Like the others asked..... why were you still hanging around an hour after you punched out??? As a "Fatherof4" shouldn't you be home with the wife and kids? Or is life that bad at home? I can't imagine it being more enjoyable to be at work after hours than at home....just my .02 :confused1

FWIW, once I'm punched out, I walk at a brisk pace to the guard shack...and avoid eye contact at all times!

browned out · 11-07-2007, 08:51 PM

Now I feel special because we have this article in the central states.

Can someone please copy and paste it here and the section and article it is in. It states no driver shall be forced to go back out after completing their scheduled day once they have returned to the building.

I will get my contract out of my package car and post it verbatim tommorow. unless someone posts it first.

FromBluetoBrown · 11-08-2007, 08:32 AM

I couldn't find that specific statement in my union contract. The closest thing I found was

ARTICLE 17. PAID FOR TIME

All employees covered by this Agreement shall be paid for all time spent in service of the Employer.
Rates of pay provided for by this Agreement shall be minimums. Time shall be computed from the time
that the employee is ordered to report for work and registers in and until the employee is effectively
released from duty. All time lost due to delays as a result of overloads or certificate violations involving
federal, state or city regulations, which occur through no fault of the driver, shall be paid for by the
Employer.

browned out · 11-08-2007, 07:23 PM

Article 19 Section 6 Central States Supplement

Section 6 Drivers shall not be disciplined for refusing to go back out on the street once they have returned to the building, after having completed their full day's work.

browned out · 11-08-2007, 07:43 PM

I have come into the check room more than a few times when a full time sup is telling a newer driver to go back out or face discipline up to discharge. Young driver says he or she needs to be home for dinner or kid's football game;pleads to no avail. Most of the time a driver with knowledge of the contract will set the SUP and the newbie straight.

The sups in our district know this article but the newbies don't.

So a little threat mixed with a lie never hurt anyone except maybe the driver and his family.

Gotta love the integrity and honesty. It's a one way street goin management's way.

as quoted many a time in these threads
"it's ok to falsify these records; just don't falsify those records"

Braveheart · 11-08-2007, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Center manager

No center manager or supervisor can make you work off the clock. I am center manager if one of my sups pull BS like that he would be escorted out of the building and would not return.

Another thing since you was off the clock your fellow drivers put it to you too, it would have gone to the lowist seniority person on the clock read the book if they tell you other wise I would be my bottom dollar that they are wrong.

It also works this way if I tell one of my high senority person to go back out and he or she fools around in the building and waits 10 or 15 minutes till another driver comes in he or she is still going out now matter who came in that is lower than he or she is.

The work was dispatched!

Regards

Center Manager in Texas

Are you sure you are in management? That was the most refreshing thing I have heard from a manager in over a decade!!

browned out · 11-08-2007, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Braveheart

Are you sure you are in management? That was the most refreshing thing I have heard from a manager in over a decade!!

There are a few good managers out there. I bet you this guy get his drivers to pull better numbers than most. We had a center manager who was great. He retired early; he said I can not treat the drivers the way senior mgmt is telling me to.

Great guy CM who if you needed to be off early and the full time sups were already on road pulling routes would get out of the wall street duds and put on the browns.

He got a lot of respect great numbers truely a good guy

He still send postcards to the center

Grumpy Steward · 11-08-2007, 09:54 PM

I filed a grievance on this issue this summer. Bottom line ( at least in our building) , once you punch out you are off and they cannot force you back on.