Full-time progression

When someone takes a package car position and they begin the 30 month progression do they start at the bottom rate even if they're already making more? For example if they make $17.00 would they start over at $15.80?

[Pollocknbrown]

Originally Posted by 89man

When someone takes a package car position and they begin the 30 month progression do they start at the bottom rate even if they're already making more? For example if they make $17.00 would they start over at $15.80?

No they'd remain at 17/hr until such time in their progression they'd make more with the progression (ie say at 18 months u make 17.50 (dont remember exact numbers) you would be bumped too 17.50 then, making 17/hr the previous months and continue on with ur progression from there, assuming its a ground pkg car driver, air drivers i have no idea.

[Brav989]

Also a question to add. Since I'm not 100% sure on the real numbers I'll make a hypothetical situation and hope everyone can understand

So okay say an individual starts at 15/hr. after 6 months he will get a .35 cent raise...however after 9 months he would be bumped up to say 18 or whatever in the scale....so would his pay be 18 or would it be 18.35 (accounting for that prior 6 mo raise) and would the steps also include the subsequent split raises? And yea sorry if my time frames are way off.

[Pollocknbrown]

If hes doing a job thats not a progression job and gets the raise to 15.35, will keep it when he goes to driving and keep it till he is bumped to 18/ hr for the progression..... you will recieve only the progression raises during ur progession until u reach top pay after 30 (or soon to be, 36 months). anyone feel free to correct if i have said anything in error.

[IDoLessWorkThanMost]

Originally Posted by Brav989

Also a question to add. Since I'm not 100% sure on the real numbers I'll make a hypothetical situation and hope everyone can understand

So okay say an individual starts at 15/hr. after 6 months he will get a .35 cent raise...however after 9 months he would be bumped up to say 18 or whatever in the scale....so would his pay be 18 or would it be 18.35 (accounting for that prior 6 mo raise) and would the steps also include the subsequent split raises? And yea sorry if my time frames are way off.

You do not recieve GWI if you are in progression, period. You're red circled. You get 50 cents for inside/inside or combos, or as governed in the contract if you're full-time driving. The .35/.35 only applies to those who are out of progression

The reason that I posted my question is to try and figure out if we're getting screwed in Louisville. When you go from part-time to full-time (not driving) in the Air District (ramp, marshalling, hub/scrub, etc. you are frozen at your current rate of pay for 2 years and then you go to the top rate. We're trying to argue that you should get a % of the top rate like other classifications such a drivers, mechanics, etc. like 70% 80% and so forth. The only language that I can find in the master is that when you go full-time you are red circled at your current rate until progression is more than that(I forget the exact wording).

How is it in other parts of the country for you guys that are full-time on the ramps and other air hubs?

[IDoLessWorkThanMost]

Originally Posted by 89man

The reason that I posted my question is to try and figure out if we're getting screwed in Louisville. When you go from part-time to full-time (not driving) in the Air District (ramp, marshalling, hub/scrub, etc. you are frozen at your current rate of pay for 2 years and then you go to the top rate. We're trying to argue that you should get a % of the top rate like other classifications such a drivers, mechanics, etc. like 70% 80% and so forth. The only language that I can find in the master is that when you go full-time you are red circled at your current rate until progression is more than that(I forget the exact wording).

How is it in other parts of the country for you guys that are full-time on the ramps and other air hubs?

You are correct, but it works out almost the same, anyhow. 70% of 22.80, is 15.90. Infact, it may be the average of top rate@ 70,80%, throughout the life of the contract, that determined the progression rates., but I don't remember if that's fact.

In the current contract, after 30 work days seniority it's 14.50,
12 month $15.00,
18 month $15.50
2 year top rate

[VTBrown]

Instead of asking here......
Why didn't you just ask your Steward to call the BA and ask him?

That would be the definitive way to go.

Originally Posted by VTBrown

Instead of asking here......
Why didn't you just ask your Steward to call the BA and ask him?

That would be the definitive way to go.

With the BA's you always get the run around and the steward doesn't know either. Thanks though.

Originally Posted by IDoLessWorkThanMost

You are correct, but it works out almost the same, anyhow. 70% of 22.80, is 15.90. Infact, it may be the average of top rate@ 70,80%, throughout the life of the contract, that determined the progression rates., but I don't remember if that's fact.

In the current contract, after 30 work days seniority it's 14.50,
12 month $15.00,
18 month $15.50
2 year top rate

Here in Louisville most people going full-time have been here 11-12 years already making $17-18/hour. What we're trying to figure out is where in the contract(master/rider) does it say we should be frozen in pay for 2 years. We're trying to argue that we should get the incremental increases. So if you make $17/hour then you should remain at that rate until time that the progression exceeds that rate.

Top rate for ramp workers, marshallers, fuelers, hub etc. is now $21.62. So some of us who have been frozen in pay for 18 months are arguing that we should be making 90% of that which is $20.35 and more than our current rate of $17, meaning the progression now exceeds that rate.

[VTBrown]

Originally Posted by 89man

With the BA's you always get the run around and the steward doesn't know either. Thanks though.

Well...it's the stewards job to find out from the BA.As it's the BA's job to give you the definitive answer.

Originally Posted by VTBrown

Well...it's the stewards job to find out from the BA.As it's the BA's job to give you the definitive answer.

You're just full of useful info aren't ya?

[IDoLessWorkThanMost]

Originally Posted by 89man

Here in Louisville most people going full-time have been here 11-12 years already making $17-18/hour. What we're trying to figure out is where in the contract(master/rider) does it say we should be frozen in pay for 2 years. We're trying to argue that we should get the incremental increases. So if you make $17/hour then you should remain at that rate until time that the progression exceeds that rate.

Top rate for ramp workers, marshallers, fuelers, hub etc. is now $21.62. So some of us who have been frozen in pay for 18 months are arguing that we should be making 90% of that which is $20.35 and more than our current rate of $17, meaning the progression now exceeds that rate.

Do you know what red-circle means?

Originally Posted by IDoLessWorkThanMost

Do you know what red-circle means?

Do tell.

Originally Posted by IDoLessWorkThanMost

Do you know what red-circle means?

from article 41 of the master:

Part-time employees on the payroll as of July 31, 2002, who subsequently are promoted to full-time
employment under this progression, will be red circled until such time as the calculated progression rate
exceeds that rate.

I'm just looking for a clear explanation of this and if it applies to those of us who have to go through a TWO year pay freeze.


Thanks

[VTBrown]

Originally Posted by 89man

You're just full of useful info aren't ya?

It's pretty stupid to come on here looking for a definitive answer when your getting multiple ones, no?

Ask your Steward to ask the BA or ask the BA yourself......or brush up on your reading comprehension and read your contract book.

Duh.

Originally Posted by VTBrown

It's pretty stupid to come on here looking for a definitive answer when your getting multiple ones, no?

Ask your Steward to ask the BA or ask the BA yourself......or brush up on your reading comprehension and read your contract book.

Duh.

Maybe you should brush up yourself. My steward is the one fighting this and the BA's don't have a definite answer(as usual). Since you seem to know it all read the section of the contract that I posted above and tell me what you get out of it. As for me coming on here, I'm just trying to see how it works for people going full-time in other parts of the country in the same job classifications as here and if they get their pay frozen for 2 years like us. If you don't know or just have something stupid to say save it because there's already enough of that here.

Thanks

[upsgrunt]

Originally Posted by 89man

Maybe you should brush up yourself. My steward is the one fighting this and the BA's don't have a definite answer(as usual). Since you seem to know it all read the section of the contract that I posted above and tell me what you get out of it. As for me coming on here, I'm just trying to see how it works for people going full-time in other parts of the country in the same job classifications as here and if they get their pay frozen for 2 years like us. If you don't know or just have something stupid to say save it because there's already enough of that here.

Thanks

The negative, demeaning attitude gets on your nerves doesn't it? And he dreams of UPS management someday!

[VTBrown]

Originally Posted by upsgrunt

The negative, demeaning attitude gets on your nerves doesn't it? And he dreams of UPS management someday!

Do you need a hug or a tissue? Or both?

[upsgrunt]

Originally Posted by VTBrown

Do you need a hug or a tissue? Or both?

Why don't you tell me-you know everything!

[VTBrown]

Originally Posted by 89man

from article 41 of the master:

Part-time employees on the payroll as of July 31, 2002, who subsequently are promoted to full-time
employment under this progression, will be red circled until such time as the calculated progression rate
exceeds that rate.

I'm just looking for a clear explanation of this and if it applies to those of us who have to go through a TWO year pay freeze.


Thanks

You've been offered the one avenue to go and refuse.
Though how can that be any simpler to understand?

If you are currently making more then the progression rate you are circled until the progression rate passes you.

And NO you do not get any of the raises while in progression except the progression raises.

Easy enough?

VTBROWN

Why are you being such a RICHARD to 89??

[VTBrown]

Well...he came on here asking for contract information. Got several different answers. Then became a dimwit when I said to ask his steward and BA for the real answer.

He's just being too lazy to go the correct avenue to get the definitive answer.

[mule]

"Well...he came on here asking for contract information. Got several different answers. Then became a dimwit when I said to ask his steward and BA for the real answer.

He's just being too lazy to go the correct avenue to get the definitive answer. "

You don't know local 89. His question is very legitimate for this website, and I don't see how your cocky attitude answers his question in the first place. You throw out common knowledge, and you add nothing. How is he or she a dimwit on UPS and Teamster knowledge when he or she has probably worked at UPS for 13 years? Obviously, he or she knows the language in the contract. He or she is trying to find support for another interpretation of the language. This is how language in contracts are made stronger.

Originally Posted by mule

"Well...he came on here asking for contract information. Got several different answers. Then became a dimwit when I said to ask his steward and BA for the real answer.

He's just being too lazy to go the correct avenue to get the definitive answer. "

You don't know local 89. His question is very legitimate for this website, and I don't see how your cocky attitude answers his question in the first place. You throw out common knowledge, and you add nothing. How is he or she a dimwit on UPS and Teamster knowledge when he or she has probably worked at UPS for 13 years. Obviously, he or she knows the language in the contract. He or she is trying to find support for another interpretation of the language. This is how language in contracts are made stronger.

Mule,
Thanks for understanding my point of view. As you point out, the language in our contract sometimes makes it hard to understand what is being said and how it applies. I have tried to get VTBrown to understand that there's a steward already handling this case. The whole reason for my post was not just to get an answer specific to me, but to find out if full-timers in our classification got their pay frozen for 2 years as well.
Also, I try not to let anyone's attitude get to me on here, I realize that there's always going to be people like that on internet message boards. You'd think that union brothers and sisters would have a little more respect for one another and try to be helpful instead of acting like a child.