District Xmas Stress

toonertoo · 11-30-2007, 06:19 PM

Thanks for all the advice, its all good.
I simply needed to know what he wanted me to do, and why it took 6 months for them to tell me.................But they are busy..........So he told me what he wants, and now I know...I wasnt trying to be a smart a** I just didnt get the issue when Ive done it this way for possibly 5 yrs.
And if I take my lunch at the building, I put it in and then RTB time.
There is no one to take lunch with, and I really stressed the part about the late air. Which is why especially this time of yr, many of us take our breaks at the building. Im not sure how everyone else was doing it. But I seem to have been doing it wrong.
For today, I took 5 10 minute breaks, and got in since I was light. Isnt it funny that you find yourself saying, that 9.5 or 10 is light................Are we conditioned or what?
So Im safe for another day, cant get rid of Tooner yet.
Have a great weekend.

satellitedriver · 11-30-2007, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Anonymous howard

the diad gets the time and gps location of every stop. you will find yourself in hot water for his sooner or later since the reports exist to point out the "accounting error." you can't blame the company for this one though - thank the drivers in CA for the lawsuit that made ups have to micromanage your lunch time.

Thanks A.H.,
for making a point that I would like to address in this discussion.
One can type in any time for lunchtime.(required by union contract).
The DIAD can prove that one did not steal time, when one is observed eating,resting or goofing off, by the time stamp on every delivery.
If one, takes the same amount of time off for lunch, but at a different time shown on the DIAD, it can easily be explained by time and safety constraints.

So I stand with my original post statement;

"It is not a falsifaction of the time taken for lunch, just an accounting error of when it occurred.( I just read that last sentence and realized I should have been a lawyer.)
Any sane manager/sup would know why you are in the building hanging around."

On the other hand.
Say, you punch in lunch from 12 to 1 and the delivery records show you worked in that time frame. You punch out, without taking lunch. Will the company fire you for falsifying records?
When has that ever happened?(can you say never)
What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
Toonner should just have an honest discussion with her CM and explain the situation.
If that doesn't work, well there are some good lawyer's out there,, if she was terminated over this issue.
PAX

brownmonster · 11-30-2007, 07:15 PM

Take a half hour break for lunch during the day. Why is this such a complicated issue.

DS · 11-30-2007, 07:43 PM

Tooner,if your area is as bad as you say it is,theres no reason for them not to code 05 you every day in the name of safety.

upslady20 · 11-30-2007, 08:08 PM

How do you put the five 10 min breaks in the board.. there are not enough time slots to allow you to document all of the breaks???

satellitedriver · 11-30-2007, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by brownmonster

Take a half hour break for lunch during the day. Why is this such a complicated issue.

Read her original post. She has concern over her safety.
Rightly so.

satellitedriver · 11-30-2007, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by upslady20

How do you put the five 10 min breaks in the board.. there are not enough time slots to allow you to document all of the breaks???

She posted she "took" 10 minute breaks, not that she logged them into her diad.
She/we should not have to do this to satisfy some foolish contract language or company mandates.
PAX

Brown Dog · 11-30-2007, 08:26 PM

Why do we even have to take a lunch? I mean, I have a runner from 11-5, I take my 10 min break , I make pickups, What if I don't want to take my lunch at 7pm? Don't I have a choice to skip my lunch if i'm not hungry and want to get home as soon as possible?

satellitedriver · 11-30-2007, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Brown Dog

Why do we even have to take a lunch? I mean, I have a runner from 11-5, I take my 10 min break , I make pickups, What if I don't want to take my lunch at 7pm? Don't I have a choice to skip my lunch if i'm not hungry and want to get home as soon as possible?

It was negoitiated (sp)years ago by the union, now the company uses it to their advantage as a tool.
PAX

satellitedriver · 11-30-2007, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DS

Tooner,if your area is as bad as you say it is,theres no reason for them not to code 05 you every day in the name of safety.

Contract language does not allow a full timer to go code 05 on a daily basis.
At least that is what I have heard. I do not know it as fact.
PAX

DS · 11-30-2007, 10:48 PM

At our center its all up to the center manager...our current one says,code 05 if you need to for the next 6 weeks.In order to get paid for it,you have to change the code from 6 to 5 .The computer also must be changed to indicate that a "standard lunch" has not been taken and the
hours worked will be paid.

satellitedriver · 11-30-2007, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DS

At our center its all up to the center manager...our current one says,code 05 if you need to for the next 6 weeks.In order to get paid for it,you have to change the code from 6 to 5 .The computer also must be changed to indicate that a "standard lunch" has not been taken and the
hours worked will be paid.

Do you have bonus centers in Canada?

HEFFERNAN · 12-01-2007, 04:14 AM

I was always one of those drivers that would skip my lunch to get out early. Only taking it if It was convienent for me (dead time before pickups). Now with a mortgage, I'm not throwing away money like that. I had never put my lunch in the board for 6 years. No one ever questioned me because I always did my job superbly. Now with that lawsuit in California, everyone is to have a lunch in the Diad every day. I've been threatened with warning letters and termination when I forget to put it in. I honestly forget to put it in sometimes. They don't care when you take your lunch, AS LONG AS AN HOUR IS THE DIAD

To the people who say its falsifying records to put it anywhere and take your lunch at the end. AS LONG AS YOU CAN PROVE YOU WERE DELIVERING DURING THAT LUNCH HOUR , NO ONE WOULD EVER GET FIRED

dillweed · 12-01-2007, 05:50 AM

Here in my state there is a law stating employees must take a break if they work five hours or more. I've had jobs (not UPS) where they made us take that lunch even if we only worked five or six hours and it had to be documented.

Of course, UPS thinks it is an entire world of it's own and can do whatever is necessary to make those numbers. They don't care whether or not you work through that break or sit in a very dangerous part of town, trying to scarf your lunch while watching like a hawk to make sure you're not messed with.

Is there any safe business stop on your area that would allow you to come in and have your lunch or would that be too uncomfortable? Would management be able to find you a decent place for a nice break? Yeah, right. I know.

I'd hate to see you fired for entering your break when you didn't take it but can't the boobs see on the diad that you made stops during that time? You'd be covering their butts by showing that you took the break while getting your work done in a more timely manner. The stress of working so long without a break would be doing them a favor, wouldn't it?

I'm not a driver and may be talking out my rear but have been with UPS long enough they can make a mountain out of a tiny mole hill. Any agreement from management as far as your lunch time should be documented and punched into the time clock for your own protection.

They can observe you taking your lunch late but why can't they observe you during the day while you're NOT taking your lunch. They don't want to leave their warm offices to watch. So there.

Bid off that Godforsaken route at first opportunity. dw

toonertoo · 12-01-2007, 07:55 AM

Its not an issue about taking my time for lunch, its where. And yes I have places I could, but then again it leaves me out in the dark, even later, in questionable residential areas, and yes people send people in those areas packages too.

OUr board has been broken down to 5 spaces, for breaks and lunch, and it is much easier to be accurate with showing the time we take this way. If they audited me, it would show break and nothing delivered during that time. I think that is the easiest way to stay out of trouble.

I dont like that I am forced to take a lunch when I would rather just get home, but I will find ways to utilize it as thats the rule. Give me 05 and I would love it. But instead I will take my 5 breaks closer to eve, and get out of the bad areas, by working straight through til Im outta there. I will bid out when I can, this is not the route I bid on, it barely resembles what I bid on. We are geting PAS,supposedly, soon, and Im kinda waiting to see how it changes then, whether it gets back to the original work, or gets worse. My sups know its bad, they dont ride with me much

I guess the neighborhood has gotten better. It was the 9th most dangerous, now its the 16th, so I probably worry for nothing.

over9five · 12-01-2007, 08:02 AM

"It was negoitiated (sp)years ago by the union, now the company uses it to their advantage as a tool."

That's the truth. It's a way to keep us out later for later p/us.

Satellite, I found the error in your thinking:

"Any sane manager/sup would know why you are in the building hanging around."

LOL!

govols019 · 12-01-2007, 10:38 AM

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One time watching your package car drive away is all that was needed!!!!

I don't doubt that one. lol

AlaskaMike · 12-01-2007, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mikeb

Info in your DIAD cannot be used against you according to Article 37. If you are "observed" then that is different. One has nothing to do with the other.

Not true. You can't be fired for exceeding "personal time". You can be fired for deliberately falsifying your DIAD info, and claiming to have lunch between 12:00 and 12:30 while also showing deliveries at the same time counts as falsifying data. It depends on what kind of sup or manager you have. I had a manager tell me that accidentally double scanning the same package (long stupid story...) one day was a violation of the honesty policy because, as he claimed, I was trying to fluff my package count. By One Whole Package. So it depends on the management team, but I'd be careful and always enter your lunch and breaks when you take them. You can be yelled at for taking lunch in the building, but you can be fired for falsifying your DIAD entries.

toonertoo · 12-01-2007, 03:16 PM

WElcome to browncafe Alaskamike.
great posts, looking forward to reading you!!

HEFFERNAN · 12-01-2007, 04:24 PM

ALASKAMIKE

YOU ARE WRONG

My center manager told me he could care less if I skip my lunch or take it.

BUT,

A lunch better be in the diad board for an hour or the division manager was gonna make him start the termination process

This is how it is in New England now

I do my job so well, that I'm threatened warning letters for not typing it into the board, let alone taking the damn lunch

What A Joke

(maybe I should sign a contract that states I will not participate in a class-action lawsuit) (might work)