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12-12-2007, 08:06 PM
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12-12-2007, 08:18 PM
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#2 | | Senior Member
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12-12-2007, 08:23 PM
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#3 | | Moderator
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Rep Power: 19624 | Re: peak I am really suprised at peak this year.
I guess I should not be.
No planning at all. Just muttle through to the 24th.
They want me at 16 sporh, or I am 1.5 late.
So Im still delivering commercial til 5 at 12.0, the best I can do. which =96 stops.....So then I have 65 left, and get done at 830, which means I do basically 20 ph, but I cant get to 16, i barely got 14.5. Now Im not exactly a math major, but maybe if they let me work til midnight I could catch up and be "scratch"
The worst part is, I do my best and the next day, I will get talked to about my performance. Beat to heck, no life, and no Xmas cheer, and it is never good enough.
But it will get worse after peak, Im sure.
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12-12-2007, 08:46 PM
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#4 | | Browncafe Steward
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Originally Posted by toonertoo I am really suprised at peak this year.
I guess I should not be.
No planning at all. Just muttle through to the 24th.
They want me at 16 sporh, or I am 1.5 late.
So Im still delivering commercial til 5 at 12.0, the best I can do. which =96 stops.....So then I have 65 left, and get done at 830, which means I do basically 20 ph, but I cant get to 16, i barely got 14.5. Now Im not exactly a math major, but maybe if they let me work til midnight I could catch up and be "scratch"
The worst part is, I do my best and the next day, I will get talked to about my performance. Beat to heck, no life, and no Xmas cheer, and it is never good enough.
But it will get worse after peak, Im sure.  | Tell them to brown up, man up and come ride with you or shut up! |
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12-12-2007, 09:01 PM
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#5 | | Moderator
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Originally Posted by 705red Tell them to brown up, man up and come ride with you or shut up! | I do Red, every day, and guess what, No ride.........Just want to yammer at me daily, stealing time from the company, did I fall asleep, yada, yada, so when they ods me to call and it takes me awhile, I tell them I was napping.
Every time I get a new boss, I have to break them in.
Ive seen them following me, they are so lame, my door is always locked. If they ran a report they would know, they cannot find 1.5 anywhere, but someone tells them to hammer me, daily.
If I was a slacker, fire me, Im not. I dont mean to sound like a tough girl, it just doesnt phaze me anymore.
I went from having pride at what I do, and being able to stand with the best, to being just happy to get done. No accidents, no injuries, no complaints, no missed anything, and I cant remember the last time I called off sick, means ZIP. Just that holy OR report.
And when Im off, lately, the cover driver looks much better, but things were missed, and Im betting lunch and breaks were one of them, because I may be older, but Im not slower. Safer, and more efficient , but not slower. But that isnt what counts today. I cannot wait to retire............
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12-12-2007, 09:07 PM
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#6 | | Senior Member
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Originally Posted by toonertoo I am really suprised at peak this year.
I guess I should not be.
No planning at all. Just muttle through to the 24th.
They want me at 16 sporh, or I am 1.5 late.
So Im still delivering commercial til 5 at 12.0, the best I can do. which =96 stops.....So then I have 65 left, and get done at 830, which means I do basically 20 ph, but I cant get to 16, i barely got 14.5. Now Im not exactly a math major, but maybe if they let me work til midnight I could catch up and be "scratch"
The worst part is, I do my best and the next day, I will get talked to about my performance. Beat to heck, no life, and no Xmas cheer, and it is never good enough.
But it will get worse after peak, Im sure.  |
TT, come on, you`ve been around long enough. Everyone is getting hammered right now. I get "talked" to every day. In one ear, out the other. My CM is disgusted with my numbers. Told him yesterday this is the most poorly planned peak I have ever seen and if wants to run a crappy preload then he will get a crappy delivery day. I still get my helper for 7 or more hrs. every day. I have at least 80% of my whole route which is rediculous this time of year. I won`t drive faster, cut corners, or work unsafely and they arrange to pick up my air every night. Stand your ground, work steady and safely and rake in the money. If you believe you performed well today, that`s all that matters. |
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12-12-2007, 09:21 PM
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#7 | | Moderator
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Originally Posted by DorkHead TT, come on, you`ve been around long enough. Everyone is getting hammered right now. I get "talked" to every day. In one ear, out the other. My CM is disgusted with my numbers. Told him yesterday this is the most poorly planned peak I have ever seen and if wants to run a crappy preload then he will get a crappy delivery day. I still get my helper for 7 or more hrs. every day. I have at least 80% of my whole route which is rediculous this time of year. I won`t drive faster, cut corners, or work unsafely and they arrange to pick up my air every night. Stand your ground, work steady and safely and rake in the money. If you believe you performed well today, that`s all that matters. | And I do. And you only have 80% of your route???????????, I have 100%, plus I have to run the air for the route that starts 20 minutes before me. And everything left behind, and the pickups for the route across town, and I get no jumper...Im raking in the money, and I have always loved peak, I dont care, its expected, but it has been like this for 2 yrs. The only difference is Im working one hour, or 1 1/2 more a day. And when they do, on some rare occasion move stuff from me, guess what, the driver who starts 20 minutes early takes my gravy, so whats a girl to do? I just drop my door and go, its not worth the breathe it takes to say anything since no one cares. Once you are out the door their job is done. And since I would be complaining, it would be since Iam a female, not because they are making bad business deciisions. Whip me beat me Pay me OT.
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12-12-2007, 09:42 PM
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#8 | | 30 year driver
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Rep Power: 2269 | Re: peak Just do your job by their prescribed methods and take your personal time. As long as you are safe and do your job right not much they can do. They will get really tired of spying on you when they can't find anything wrong with the way you work. Then if someone does ride with you, your routine is smooth as silk. They can tell if they ride with someone who can't even get their key in the bulkhead door that there methods suck and they don't use them. You must be on their worst over allowed list. It is always the driver in their eyes and not the piss poor allowance you get to do the job right. I know I have been in your shoes too until I changed to a route that had a better allowance. |
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12-12-2007, 09:45 PM
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#9 | | Moderator
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Originally Posted by toonertoo And I do. And you only have 80% of your route???????????, I have 100%, plus I have to run the air for the route that starts 20 minutes before me. And everything left behind, and the pickups for the route across town, and I get no jumper...Im raking in the money, and I have always loved peak, I dont care, its expected, but it has been like this for 2 yrs. The only difference is Im working one hour, or 1 1/2 more a day. And when they do, on some rare occasion move stuff from me, guess what, the driver who starts 20 minutes early takes my gravy, so whats a girl to do? I just drop my door and go, its not worth the breathe it takes to say anything since no one cares. Once you are out the door their job is done. And since I would be complaining, it would be since Iam a female, not because they are making bad business deciisions. Whip me beat me Pay me OT. | Not to sound trite, but this is was something my father told me about work when I left home to be my own man at the age of 17.
" A good horse get's rode."
How freakin true those words were then and now.
PAX
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12-12-2007, 10:27 PM
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#10 | | Senior Member
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Rep Power: 579 | Re: peak Sounds to me like you are getting sick, I can sense it in your messages. If you don't start feeling better soon you might wannna consider calling in sick to get better. |
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12-13-2007, 04:20 AM
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#11 | | Moderator
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Rep Power: 19624 | Re: peak  I do seem to have the sniffles.............
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12-13-2007, 05:02 AM
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#12 | | Senior Member
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Originally Posted by toonertoo And I do. And you only have 80% of your route???????????, I have 100%, plus I have to run the air for the route that starts 20 minutes before me. And everything left behind, and the pickups for the route across town, and I get no jumper...Im raking in the money, and I have always loved peak, I dont care, its expected, but it has been like this for 2 yrs. The only difference is Im working one hour, or 1 1/2 more a day. And when they do, on some rare occasion move stuff from me, guess what, the driver who starts 20 minutes early takes my gravy, so whats a girl to do? I just drop my door and go, its not worth the breathe it takes to say anything since no one cares. Once you are out the door their job is done. And since I would be complaining, it would be since Iam a female, not because they are making bad business deciisions. Whip me beat me Pay me OT. |
105 stops = 9.5. Peak I`m doing 200+, 400 pieces in a 800. I understand how you feel. Maybe this might help, go to work punch in and then go stand outside till 1 minute before start time. Keep away from the chaos as much as possible. Same at the end, punch out and don`t hang around the center and shoot the crap. Go somewhere else with coworkers if you must. Leave the building. Hope this helps. Good luck |
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12-13-2007, 05:04 AM
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Originally Posted by toonertoo I do Red, every day, and guess what, No ride.........Just want to yammer at me daily, stealing time from the company, did I fall asleep, yada, yada, so when they ods me to call and it takes me awhile, I tell them I was napping.
Every time I get a new boss, I have to break them in.
Man, am I tired of training the new supervisors!
Ive seen them following me, they are so lame, my door is always locked. If they ran a report they would know, they cannot find 1.5 anywhere, but someone tells them to hammer me, daily.
I took one for a ride a while back in the middle of a Florida thunderstorm. I was out in the woods and I hit every major pothole that I knew, you should have seen that boss bounce in his pickup truck!
If I was a slacker, fire me, Im not. I dont mean to sound like a tough girl, it just doesnt phaze me anymore.
I went from having pride at what I do, and being able to stand with the best, to being just happy to get done. No accidents, no injuries, no complaints, no missed anything, and I cant remember the last time I called off sick, means ZIP. Just that holy OR report.
Tooner, you just summarized completely what is WRONG at UPS! Tooner for president!!!
And when Im off, lately, the cover driver looks much better, but things were missed, and Im betting lunch and breaks were one of them, because I may be older, but Im not slower. Safer, and more efficient , but not slower. But that isnt what counts today. I cannot wait to retire............ | Amen! I already have over 20 years in, I have seen the bosses come and go yet I am still here---now where do you think the problem REALLY is????? |
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12-13-2007, 05:10 AM
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#14 | | Man of Great Wisdom
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Rep Power: 13463 | Re: peak Peak is starting to wear on me. I only had 45 minutes to read the paper yesterday afternoon.
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12-13-2007, 05:47 AM
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Rep Power: 19745 | Re: peak It should make me feel better that folks all across the country are experiencing the same things we do here. It doesn't. In fact it makes me feel worse.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I have not read anywhere in the contract about SPORH or allowances or over /under. But I have read about excessive over 9.5 hours worked(not dispatched). Of course that excessive o/9.5 is out the window during peak.
I tell 'em, "give me a prefect load, I'll give you a perfect day."
Work Safe.
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12-13-2007, 12:29 PM
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#16 | | Preload Supervisor
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Rep Power: 6940 | Re: peak Quote:
Originally Posted by satellitedriver Not to sound trite, but this is was something my father told me about work when I left home to be my own man at the age of 17.
" A good horse get's rode."
How freakin true those words were then and now.
PAX | UPS' mantra, our manager even mentioned a variation of that "you gotta whip the horse that'll get you to the finish"....nevermind the fact you're tormenting one of your best employees...just help that OR or pph/misload (in my case).
Today I almost lost it as my guys were dragging a bit, but then I remembered how I felt at this point during PEAK after being pounded day after day and being told I wasn't fast enough (yet was fastest on the line with the heaviest pull...in the entire building) and just stopped. I sucked it up and just helped them whatever way I could. Planning is the problem (complete lack thereof compared to past peaks), not my preloaders.
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12-13-2007, 12:40 PM
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#17 | | Preload Supervisor
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Originally Posted by toonertoo  I do seem to have the sniffles............. | yeah they learned this was the case with me...hmm "he called in today, what is his pull doing?...1300-1400pcs, what time are we starting him? 345"
260-280 pph loading brownies during peak...from then on I pulled in the reins and was like the hell with it, if its not good enough I'm not going all out for this place, I have more important things to worry about. If they want me to finish they'll send help from now on.
Now that I'm a supe nothing is still ever good enough...but hey us PT supes are usually scapegoats anyways. One instance, our union steward (who we all know and get along with, good guy) informed us our manager was throwing us under the bus. He talked to him about supes working and said that he's "always telling us to stop, etc etc" but the reality is that he tells us TO jump in and help our people at presort....integrity at its finest.
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12-13-2007, 01:50 PM
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#18 | | Senior Member
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Rep Power: 2087 | Re: peak Even though it's peak and you care about your customers, at the end of the day we can't get disciplined for performance, so let your poor center management eat it.
I invite anyone to OJS me, it would be my pleasure. Until then, the only numbers I care about are those on my pay check. |
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12-13-2007, 04:36 PM
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#19 | | SuperDAD to the rescue
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Originally Posted by toonertoo Whip me beat me Pay me OT. | LMFAO 
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12-13-2007, 07:06 PM
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#20 | | just a member
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Originally Posted by toonertoo  I do seem to have the sniffles............. | Call in tomorrow with the anal glaucoma.
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12-13-2007, 07:07 PM
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#21 | | Senior Member
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Rep Power: 4348 | Re: peak God Love The Working Man/Woman!
Speaking of Peak, here are a few stats from
some vintage Big Idea mags I recently
ran across: Most Stops - One Driver - One Day
840 Mark von Elling Lenexa Kansas Dec 22, 1987 Most pkgs delivered to one family on one day
129 Curt Swanson Green Bay Wisc. Dec 10, 1985 Biggest Delivery Notice Received
2" X 4' Freddie Nelson Tyler, Texas Jan 12, 1987 Most pkgs picked up in one pkg car on one day (Less Than 20% Envelope-Type Pkgs)
4,964 Ralph Brooks Livonia Mich. Nov. 10, 1981 Most NDA pkgs picked up from one customer, one driver, one day
3,456 John Hamlett Metuchen N.J. Dec 23, 1985 Most 2 Day Air Pkgs picked up from one customer, one driver, one day
10,482 Don Parks Rochester, N.Y. Nov. 28, 1982   Longest time in a UPS uniform
51 years Tony DiCarluccio Bronx, N.Y. Retired in 1983 |
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12-13-2007, 07:23 PM
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#22 | | Paranoid Android
Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Somewhere over the rainbow
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Rep Power: 780 | Re: peak Yes, peak has been quite the gong-show this year. Only 7 MORE DAYS!!!
Good times. |
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12-13-2007, 07:51 PM
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#23 | | Moderation Assistant
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Rep Power: 16958 | Re: peak Quote:
Originally Posted by toonertoo so when they ods me to call and it takes me awhile, I tell them I was napping.
..... | I love it tooner...  I wonder if your sarcasm is making things worse though.Cant you bid on another run with a better time allowance? Or go for a 5 ton route,or an early AM gig that would get you home by 7PM?
It sucks that you have such an incompetant mngmt team that wont leave you alone.Were chipping in to buy our oncar sup a gift card for the liquor store for Christmas.He actually listens when we have problems. |
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12-13-2007, 08:14 PM
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#24 | | A Trained Professional
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Rep Power: 2081 | Re: peak Peak is a very difficult time for all of us (Duh!).
Some managers are more capable than others. In three decades I've seen the whole spectrum; from totally organized, prepared and supportive to sloppy, fly-by-the-seat-of-their-pants, confrontational and irrational. It's human nature.
The best thing I can do to survive as a driver is to seriously practice the methods all year, stay in contact with my management team about problems on-road (misloads, emergency conditions, too many air stops, a pickup that is going to be heavy, a bad helper, etc.). I've found that the less I complain, the more they hear my complaints.
The packages go in the truck one at a time and that's how they come out. That's what helped me survive today.
I've said this on almost every post: Do what they tell you. If it takes you longer, you make more money.
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12-13-2007, 08:48 PM
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#25 | | Senior Member
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Rep Power: 13062 | Re: peak My division manager was telling me that UPS is investing big bucks in new trucks for the 2008 Peak. They are going to be phased in one center at a time. They will be capable of holding more packages than a regular package car. One benefit is that a preloader's job will be simpler than it is now and will eliminate the need for PAS. He gave me a sneak preview of one of the training films on the new preloading techniques.
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