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This is a discussion on Is the grass greener? within the UPS Discussions forums, part of the Brown Cafe UPS Forum category; Originally Posted by diesel96 I believe it's 34 hrs to reset for the next week Race. Also, I don't think ...

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Old 12-19-2007, 01:47 PM   #26
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I believe it's 34 hrs to reset for the next week Race.
Also, I don't think shifters need to posses a CDL liscense cause they never leave the yard. But they do need air brake certification and other training. Maybe a shifter can answer this.

Yes, diesel, you are right. 34 hours for reset. The air brake certification and other training? Well, there are some endorsements on CDLs that do or donot require airbrake certification. I do know that you can get a class B CDL that, of course, is not doubles or triples or air brake endorsed, but it is a CDL, under DOT regs. I know, my wife had to have one to drive school bus. She also had to go through the same random drug testing that we do. As an another example:

You have to have a class B license to drive a straight truck across state lines that is gas powered, for example, and does not have air brakes. You are under the same DOT hours of service rules that ALL CDL drivers are.

I also realize that, at some locations, the shifters never leave the yard. Are they still required to possess a CDL? Here, they are. And if they are, they are required to follow DOT regs.

All I'm saying is this: If your job requires you to have a CDL, then you are under DOT regs, and that means DOT hours. No matter WHAT your job description is.

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A driver/trainer for another company jumped on a run with another driver on a lay-down run, a run that requires you to drive to a terminal or turn-a-round, for training purposes. He is paid by the hour by his company as a grunt, like us, to just be a driver/trainer. The driver goes to the motel. The driver/trainer hops on a return trip, back to home. On duty 22 hours, claiming he didn't have to keep log or it didn't apply to him. His buddy called the DOT and they came running! Long story short--they said he IS under normal DOT regs and one of those is that he is to also log off in the motel and have at least 10 hours off before he returns with ANYBODY!

Did he drive? NO! Did he perform any truck driving duties? NO! Did he get behind the wheel and do ANYTHING that required a CDL? NO! BUT! He posseses a CDL and was performing duties that were job related! That is, he clocked in, he suited up, he rode on the truck, he trained, all on company time. The DOT says that all CDL holders performing duties on the clock, on company premises or in company equipment or property are under DOT regs. From now on, he has to log all this time and take all required log time off also.

For all you that claim you don't need a CDL to shift, then, fine! If your job doesn't require that, then you ain't under DOT regs, evidently.
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As an addendum to my previous diatribe: Even OJS supes have to have and keep a log book and adhere to DOT regs. If they haven't rode along with anybody for some time, they still have to have 7-day recap in their possession. In other words, they can't be in the office for, say 5 hours, then ride along with a driver that's had an accident and needs a follow-up ride into the supes shift if that drivers run is such that it takes the supe past his legal DOT working hours.
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Shifters here do not need a license at all! You do not leave the property, and they can work you till you drop.

Shifters who also drive (have a cdl) ARE under the 14 hour rule.
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Shifters here do not need a license at all! You do not leave the property, and they can work you till you drop.

Shifters who also drive (have a cdl) ARE under the 14 hour rule.
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I'm there, dude! Just make sure you bring ONJ.
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"that sound more fair to me since it would be based on experience rather than senoirity."

I disagree. Seniority is everything at UPS. You are driving a big truck. You have experience after a week.....
if driving a commerical tractor is the same as drving a pkgcar then it's waste of money and pointless to get a CDL.
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