Ketter Audit

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by Griff

I know the material and I put it in action everyday. I'm not learning things word for word because I don't care about passing audits. I know it's a foreign concept, but I simply do not care about numbers or audits of any kind. I'm not refusing to do anything, I'm simply asking for you to stop acting as if you care. Come talk to me after I have an accident or injury, until then go get your ear beatdown over a speakerphone.

Ahh bud I never told you I cared or did not care about your safety. I'm providing you with training that will help you work safer and drive defensively. why do i have to buy you a ring and tell you I love you before you will take to the training?

[Griff]

Originally Posted by tieguy

Ahh bud I never told you I cared or did not care about your safety. I'm providing you with training that will help you work safer and drive defensively. why do i have to buy you a ring and tell you I love you before you will take to the training?

Train all you want, keep repeating things until you're blue in the face. I would tell you right to your face, infront of your boss, that I don't care about audits. Audits are your job, not mine. Teaching these rules are your job, not mine. Making sure I can recite these rules verbatim is also your job, if I can't it doesn't effect me. Keep preaching your rules instead of spending a buck, it's noble work your doing.

[westsideworma]

Originally Posted by Griff

I know the material and I put it in action everyday. I'm not learning things word for word because I don't care about passing audits. I know it's a foreign concept, but I simply do not care about numbers or audits of any kind. I'm not refusing to do anything, I'm simply asking for you to stop acting as if you care. Come talk to me after I have an accident or injury, until then go get your ear beatdown over a speakerphone.

P.S. -- I'm glad you didn't bother to deny what everyone knows to be true. (YOU DONT CARE, SO WHY SHOULD I)

I think I understand what Griff is stating as I've said a similar thing before.

Knowing the responses/material word for word doesn't mean you actually use it. You could have a driver who knows the stuff verbatim with accidents and safety concerns galore but is kept on road because he knows those things word for word. Then you'll have a driver with no accidents no nothing get pulled off road because he can't remember the commentaries/rules of backing word for word EXACTLY as it is on sheet but clearly knows them (recites most and or paraphrases the correct response) and is now preloading as a result....is that fair? I don't think it is.

Just knowing them isn't enough, using them should take paramount. I've seen a couple drivers fall into this trap at my building and I think its garbage because both of them, if they keep it up (many many years of safe driving etc), could be circle of honor candidates.

Tie I agree knowing the information is important, but just knowing isn't enough (I know you know that anyways).

[Tony31yrs]

Supervisors keep preaching safety and want you stay healthy, but then they have you in the office if you are paid over. There were a lot of routes that had poor time studies and guys would do what they had to do to scratch a route. I worked 27 years as a driver and never hurt myself on the job. I would just give an honest day's work and if they complained about my paid over, I would tell them to come along for a ride while I followed every one of their petty rules. I would usually wind up more paid over. The problem with a lot of guys is that they let the supervisors get to them, to the point where they are on the verge of a nervous breakdown and they would be unsafe to themselves and others on the route.

[upsdude]

Let me get this straight, If half or more of the drivers in a center can't recite the safety stuff, does the center shut down? I guess that means the ones that can will be working 20 hour days.

I've been driving 34 years (20+ at UPS), nothing, zero, zip, nada, is on my driving record.

Sorry, never have been very good at reciting stuff word for word and I don’t see me getting any better at it.

[Griff]

Originally Posted by upsdude

Let me get this straight, If half or more of the drivers in a center can't recite the safety stuff, does the center shut down? I guess that means the ones that can will be working 20 hour days.

Tieguy gets his ear beat in, that's all that happens. They threaten your job because their job is being threatened over it. Except they can't fire us for it, anybody who says otherwise doesn't know what they're talking about.

[looper804]

Originally Posted by KBlakk

You have a better chance of being struck by lightning than being terminated for failing a ketter audit, the worst you might recieve is the tourment of watching the 5 star safety video over and over until you get it right and even then a sup will be right over your shoulder whispering the answers to cover his/her ass!

Part time sup in my facility was fired this week for failing to answer the questions asked to her by keder auditor.Not sure if she was ever struck by lightning. LOL

[HazMatMan]

Originally Posted by looper804

Part time sup in my facility was fired this week for failing to answer the questions asked to her by keder auditor.Not sure if she was ever struck by lightning. LOL

Now that's what I call a rebel!!

[John Noble]

Knowing the info is good, but after 12 plus hours on the clock it gets hard. Get back to the basics of bringing it in by 9.5. You always saw a lot less injuries and accidents. When they go back to that we will believe they care about safety.

[KBlakk]

Originally Posted by looper804

Part time sup in my facility was fired this week for failing to answer the questions asked to her by keder auditor.Not sure if she was ever struck by lightning. LOL

That's almost deserving how does the "preecher" not know the "sermon"? as for an hourly's punishment being that harsh he/she must have a file cabinet full or warning letters and a Shop Steward that hibernates.

[covemaster]

if your in feeders and have to explain how to drive safely, how the hell did you get into the feeder in the first place???? there are a thousand things we do safely every day but cant explain it all,just do it!!! and when will ups install instructions in the bathroom so we can wipe our butts the safe ups way??? is that next ???? things are getting out of control around here and they ask why is morale so low????

[brownmonster]

We are constantly reminded that the dispatch has nothing to do with safety.

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by upsdude

Let me get this straight, If half or more of the drivers in a center can't recite the safety stuff, does the center shut down? I guess that means the ones that can will be working 20 hour days.

I've been driving 34 years (20+ at UPS), nothing, zero, zip, nada, is on my driving record.

Sorry, never have been very good at reciting stuff word for word and I don’t see me getting any better at it.

Nice job on the 34 years. Are you the rule or the exception? How do you train those that aren't as gifted as you are on defensive driving?

Most posts here still tend to lose focus and try to turn this thread into a B session on safety.

your points you make are that ups does not do enough for safety. But then as Griff did you try to reject the training they provide you that can help you drive defensively and can help you work more safely.

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by Griff

Tieguy gets his ear beat in, that's all that happens. They threaten your job because their job is being threatened over it. Except they can't fire us for it, anybody who says otherwise doesn't know what they're talking about.

Griff try to show some integrity on this thread. I never threatened anyones job and i spoke out against the concept of threatening to fire someone if they did not learn the information.

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by covemaster

if your in feeders and have to explain how to drive safely, how the hell did you get into the feeder in the first place???? there are a thousand things we do safely every day but cant explain it all,just do it!!! and when will ups install instructions in the bathroom so we can wipe our butts the safe ups way??? is that next ???? things are getting out of control around here and they ask why is morale so low????

I'm curious . Can you explain to me how you double clutch or do you just somehow do it?

How about hooking up a set of doubles? Can you explain to me what you do or do you just somehow go out and do it?

Yet somehow you think you drive safely but yet you can't explain how you do it? If you really feel that way then you might want to stop and think about what you are doing. You might in fact have just been lucky up to now.

[my2cents]

These checklists should be insulting and degrading to anyone who has a shred of common sense. Personally, I find being forced to memorize how to pick up a box offensive, for example. I can't recall at any time of my life being forced to memorize anything so stupid. UPS is evolving into a nanny state. In addition to the forced memorization of the obvious, lame safety signs have been popping up all over our center. The worst is the sign in the restroom telling me how to wash my hands. Why not force everyone to memorize that? After all, it's public health. For me, this gross overemphasis of the obvious is a huge morale killer. Stuff like this makes going into work a miserable experience.

[thebrown_clown]

yall crack me up......you mean that even thou the company is paying you probally overtime to learn these things you still wanna grip and complain about it!!! hehe guess i gotta change my name , cause most of you all are the real clowns, and if you were really honest with yourself youll admit that some of these rules help in everyday life.... but im sure the majority will say no.... i give up ...

[upsgrunt]

Originally Posted by thebrown_clown

yall crack me up......you mean that even thou the company is paying you probally overtime to learn these things you still wanna grip and complain about it!!! hehe guess i gotta change my name , cause most of you all are the real clowns, and if you were really honest with yourself youll admit that some of these rules help in everyday life.... but im sure the majority will say no.... i give up ...

Overtime? We are expected to learn them on OUR time; at home. Where did you get this info? Maybe you should do a little research before you come on here and try to make someone look stupid, when in fact, you just did it to yourself.

[worthlessdriver]

Originally Posted by thebrown_clown

yall crack me up......you mean that even thou the company is paying you probally overtime to learn these things you still wanna grip and complain about it!!! hehe guess i gotta change my name , cause most of you all are the real clowns, and if you were really honest with yourself youll admit that some of these rules help in everyday life.... but im sure the majority will say no.... i give up ...

Brown_clown; you miss the entire point of this thread.
We were tlod to get the info and learn it at home.
And also the main point is that just because you can repeat the poems dosen't mean you are safe. Our "SAfety" people have more accidents and injuries than anyone else in our center.

[scratch]

Originally Posted by worthlessdriver

Our "SAfety" people have more accidents and injuries than anyone else in our center.

Thats why most of them are on the "Safety Committee".