Ketter Audit

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by AlaskaMike

All for learning it. But my contract says time spent in training is paid time. I wouldn't want to study it at home and then get a warning letter for working off the clock....

I think the rebuttal on that is going to be that you were trained on it. In orientation , on rides, in pcms etc.

[HazMatMan]

Originally Posted by worthlessdriver

We were told yesterday that if we failed the ketter audit we would be terminated. What a load of BS.
I am to old to learn their little poems.

Did they add failing the Keter audit into the contract as one of the cardinal sins (drinking and stealing the others) as for grounds for immediate discharge???

[AlaskaMike]

Originally Posted by tieguy

I think the rebuttal on that is going to be that you were trained on it. In orientation , on rides, in pcms etc.

Orientation was 17 years ago and it covered the 5 seeing habits in their short form. Rides are for observation. A driver can't seriously be expected to drive and memorize the 10 point commentary or the 8 complete rules of backing at the same time. We are alloted 3 minutes for PCM's. It's difficult to learn anything, let alone memorize verbatim poorly composed lists, in three minute intervals. Who here can memorize anything in less than 15 minutes a week?

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by AlaskaMike

Orientation was 17 years ago and it covered the 5 seeing habits in their short form. Rides are for observation. A driver can't seriously be expected to drive and memorize the 10 point commentary or the 8 complete rules of backing at the same time. We are alloted 3 minutes for PCM's. It's difficult to learn anything, let alone memorize verbatim poorly composed lists, in three minute intervals. Who here can memorize anything in less than 15 minutes a week?

A driver can do anything a driver wants to do. If you arrived at work and were given a 100 dollar bill for reciting those items then you would sing like a canary.

All of this is good dialogue about the ills of safety training at ups but in the end as other posters have said you will be required to know the material.

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by cachsux

On my first day of pkg there was nothing of the driving habits discussed,it was all about getting the packages off. On my first day of feeder the three safe driving points I was given were, 1) Don`t hurt yourself or anyone else,2) Don`t wreck the equipment,3) Pull the right trailer.

So far,so good.

NO Space and Visibility rides?

[upsgrunt]

Originally Posted by tieguy

A driver can do anything a driver wants to do. If you arrived at work and were given a 100 dollar bill for reciting those items then you would sing like a canary.

All of this is good dialogue about the ills of safety training at ups but in the end as other posters have said you will be required to know the material.

That's exactly what I'm saying Tie- 3 hours work to memorize is about $100. (and I do agree with most of what you are saying)

[HazMatMan]

Originally Posted by tieguy

A driver can do anything a driver wants to do. If you arrived at work and were given a 100 dollar bill for reciting those items then you would sing like a canary.

All of this is good dialogue about the ills of safety training at ups but in the end as other posters have said you will be required to know the material.

Originally Posted by upsgrunt

That's exactly what I'm saying Tie- 3 hours work to memorize is about $100. (and I do agree with most of what you are saying)

Money talks and bull$h*t walks!!

[thebrown_clown]

i feel so stoopid,... you say the company wants you to learn this at home? humm are you scared of the training button on the ivis? sometimes i wish managment could sometimes just escort these guys with the ole im not doing it attidude to there next job... you want fries with that...... think about it for a minute and be honest if you wasnt working for ups, what would you be doing? what would your lifestyle be?ill go out on a limb here and assume its most of the whinners have been here awhile and actually forgotten what most people have to do for half the money. again i give up on you guys.....ill close with when your driving to a exchange point if your feeder, or to your next stop if you deliver and see a guy working in a ditch standing in mud to his ankles.. be thankful

[LKLND3380]

Originally Posted by AlaskaMike

All for learning it. But my contract says time spent in training is paid time. I wouldn't want to study it at home and then get a warning letter for working off the clock....

Code over to safety (Code 76?) go to the safety zone and log into a computer to study... Your center should have AS MANY HOURS AS NEEDED authorized by the DM for safety...

[IWorkAsDirected]

Originally Posted by LKLND3380

Code over to safety (Code 76?) go to the safety zone and log into a computer to study... Your center should have AS MANY HOURS AS NEEDED authorized by the DM for safety...

I've never heard of anything like that, as for earlier poster, we are not allowed to code out anything but lunch or break unless they tell us to, then they tell us how many minutes.

[trplnkl]

Originally Posted by thebrown_clown

i feel so stoopid,...

ahhhh, don't be so hard on yourself, you'll find out. If you last long enough.

[LKLND3380]

Originally Posted by IWorkAsDirected

I've never heard of anything like that, as for earlier poster, we are not allowed to code out anything but lunch or break unless they tell us to, then they tell us how many minutes.

Check with your buildings safety supe or district safety supe... Tell them you want to untilize the safety zone...

[covemaster]

Originally Posted by tieguy

I'm curious . Can you explain to me how you double clutch or do you just somehow do it?

How about hooking up a set of doubles? Can you explain to me what you do or do you just somehow go out and do it?

Yet somehow you think you drive safely but yet you can't explain how you do it? If you really feel that way then you might want to stop and think about what you are doing. You might in fact have just been lucky up to now.

TIE I think you may have mis understood me,what I meant is i do work safely everyday and i would be able to go out on road with you and explain every thing i do,everything i see and point out what just about every driver around me is doing , i have 15 yrs safe driving and thank God,19 yrs without an injury. minor aches and pains i worked through!! what i couldn't do is explain it the way you learned at DTS school . if i had 2 weeks maybe!! i don't think i have been "" lucky up to now""I think I have been well trained by U.P.S, my father,and use common sense !!!!!!

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by covemaster

TIE I think you may have mis understood me,what I meant is i do work safely everyday and i would be able to go out on road with you and explain every thing i do,everything i see and point out what just about every driver around me is doing , i have 15 yrs safe driving and thank God,19 yrs without an injury. minor aches and pains i worked through!! what i couldn't do is explain it the way you learned at DTS school . if i had 2 weeks maybe!! i don't think i have been "" lucky up to now""I think I have been well trained by U.P.S, my father,and use common sense !!!!!!

Understood. and i know we don't always sell it right either. the sup who goes out telling everyone they will be fired if they don't know it stirs up more crap then necessary.

[Hangingon]

Our CM continuously tells us it's a prerequisite to our employment with UPS. How does a college graduate not understand what prerequisite means?

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by Hangingon

Our CM continuously tells us it's a prerequisite to our employment with UPS. How does a college graduate not understand what prerequisite means?

a posthumously applied pre-requisite?

[thebrown_clown]

aww i hope to be around along time, i dont come in and cry each day, if they ask something of me that i would rather not do, umm lets see hummmm why sure ill do it, i may not wish to but i do rememeber im a employee, not the employer... glad some of us admit that these rules do help us and others on the roadway for a safer way of life, and it doesnt help with the threats we recive but relate back,,, we are employess and regardless of where we work there are rules...... out

[brownmonster]

All the newer drivers had to memorize all that crap to qualify to drive. Guess who has most of the accidents.

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by brownmonster

All the newer drivers had to memorize all that crap to qualify to drive. Guess who has most of the accidents.

they always have had most of the accidents. how do you change it?

[moreluck]

Tie, your new avatar makes me think it's a childhood picture of Edward R. Murrow