Start Time?

[DorkHead]

Apparently now, only a 24 hr. notice needs to be given instead of 72 to change the start time. Every day it varies in our building by 15 to 30 minuets. I find this very frustrating only because now I have to keep track of my hrs. because the part time OMS person who sends in our time doesn`t always know the correct start time. Are any other centers going thru this ?

[trplnkl]

We have for years. The little trick they liked to use was , "in an emergency" they could change the start time in less than 24 hours. They just couldn't make it earlier and then hold people accountable for being tardy.

[kenmei]

everybody start at differnet time here

[brownman15]

in local 705 list with start times has to be posted on friday for the next week and cannot be changed

[brownman15]

a couple of months ago they changed our start time for the week to 9 from 8:30 to save money since preload went down late after a couple of days they realized they made a mistake and wanted to change it back but could not we were having 200 to 300 late air each day.

[Docparcel79]

I have been going through this as a cover driver. On Monday my start time will be at 840am. Say I do a route on Wednesday that is a 930 start, but I don't know I'm doing that route till I walk in at 830. I'll start that route at 840. But in this recent week, I've gotten harrassed over the diad bc they wanted me to help out another dirver and I told them It will put me over 9.5. In short. Whatever your start time is on Monday is or should be your start time the rest of the week

[UpstateNYUPSer]

"Whatever your start time is on Monday should be your start time for the rest of the week" Nice assumption, but not true. We start at 8:30 on Mondays and 8:45 the rest of the week because all of our loads are here for Monday on the weekend and we are usually waiting only for the plane to show; in fact, most Mondays the cars are wrapped by 8:15.

[geriatric handler?]

confused again. are you guys saying that they have to let us know ahead of time? is that in the contract?

i'm a package handler and we do not know our start time for the NEXT DAY until the end of our shift the day before (ie: at the end of the day tuesday, we know what time we work on wednesday morning). nobody questions it- it's just the way it is. it's horribly unfair, as we sometimes come in at 8.30 or 9, other times 11 or 11.30- we never know.

so, my question: is this a violation of our contract?

[UpstateNYUPSer]

I am not sure about part-timers, but full-time drivers are to be given 3 days notice on start time changes.

[geriatric handler?]

Originally Posted by UpstateNYUPSer

I am not sure about part-timers, but full-time drivers are to be given 3 days notice on start time changes.

that would be nice if it also applied to we PTers. i'll have to look into it. wonder if it's in the master contract?...

[DorkHead]

Originally Posted by UpstateNYUPSer

I am not sure about part-timers, but full-time drivers are to be given 3 days notice on start time changes.

That`s exactly what I`m saying. Apparently there is language in this new contract that nullifies the 72 hr. notice, but I can`t find it.

[looper804]

Originally Posted by DorkHead

Apparently now, only a 24 hr. notice needs to be given instead of 72 to change the start time. Every day it varies in our building by 15 to 30 minuets. I find this very frustrating only because now I have to keep track of my hrs. because the part time OMS person who sends in our time doesn`t always know the correct start time. Are any other centers going thru this ?

Maybe it varies in each local.Here in 804 they post the start times for the coming week on Thursday.Monday is usually 20 minutes earlier than the rest of the week but Tuesday to Friday has to be the same time all week.You may be asked to start earlier for training but otherwise it stays the same.I believe the preload works the same way.

[iowa boy]

Originally Posted by geriatric handler?

confused again. are you guys saying that they have to let us know ahead of time? is that in the contract?

i'm a package handler and we do not know our start time for the NEXT DAY until the end of our shift the day before (ie: at the end of the day tuesday, we know what time we work on wednesday morning). nobody questions it- it's just the way it is. it's horribly unfair, as we sometimes come in at 8.30 or 9, other times 11 or 11.30- we never know.

so, my question: is this a violation of our contract?

geriatric,

I don't know what part of the country you are in but in the central states supplement, our start time has to be posted by the last scheduled workday of the previous week. So working M-F, our start time (if it changes), has to be posted by the end of our shift on Friday night.

[hondo]

Dorkhead & Geriatric, apparently that language isn't in the NMA. Here in Local 705 (and apparently 710) it's as Brownman & Iowaboy described. Here's a good opportunity to introduce yourself to your stewards/BAs and ask if it's in any local/regional riders, supplements, addenda, or letters of understanding. Or a past practice that is being neglected. BTW, always keep track of your hours worked!

Originally Posted by DorkHead

Apparently now, only a 24 hr. notice needs to be given instead of 72 to change the start time. Every day it varies in our building by 15 to 30 minuets. I find this very frustrating only because now I have to keep track of my hrs. because the part time OMS person who sends in our time doesn`t always know the correct start time. Are any other centers going thru this ?

The get the OMS to wake up...It's their job

[Diego]

Where does it say 24 hours? I am covered under central rider?

[helenofcalifornia]

Why would your start time vary two hours at times? That would so make me unhappy.

[LS3800]

well your certainly not alone out there. at our center our start times are staggered anywhere from 5 to 30 minutes apart. The bad part is we dont know what time we start each day until about 3 hours before. So sitting around and waiting for a phone call each day is no fun!

[Dis-organized Labor]

That must really suck.
Here in the Airline (Air Group), for our Management and Business Professional folks (BP) we expect and produce a 50+ to 55+ hour week starting at 0730 (maybe 0800 for the majority; some BP's start at 0500) until 1800 or later depending upon what is "hot" and what can be left to tomorrow.
Saturdays, Sundays and Holidays being in the office is not uncommon, but our (partly) job is to eliminate this type of exposure.
Of course, getting rid of the MD-11's would help!!!

[959Nanook]

I'm in a center with 13 routes and a driver sort and load. Start times vary by three hours depending upon your duties on the sort and load and whether you have a town route or extended (rural) route.

We have the language about posting on Friday for the next week. They adjust as needed and claim it as an "Act of God" which is allowed in the contract.

I'm the bottom (17/17) seniority full-time driver. My start time generally says "Call at 10:00" across the board most weeks. If I'm not scheduled to work that day, I sit around and wait for a phone call that comes anytime between 8:00 and 12:00 (I've gotten the call as late as 13:00) if it comes at all. If I am covering a sick, I get the call as soon as the sick driver calls in. If I am running a dump route, then I get the call between 10:00 and 12:00. It just gets frustrating after a couple of weeks with fewer days worked than weeks that have passed and you are sitting around every day waiting for a phone call.

This week (posted last Friday) was "Call at 10:00" except for Wednesday which was 8:30 start.
Monday - They called me in around 9ish for a 10:45 start.
Tuesday - No call.
Wednesday- Scheduled start.
Thursday - I knew Wednesday night from a fellow driver, not through my supervisor as he was at home by the time I returned to the building and didn't bother calling me, that they needed me in at 9:00 on Thursday to cover for the driver that asked me if I would cover his route.
Friday (Today) - No call.

It wasn't always this hokie. We used to schedule all the drivers (unless there were no vacations or drivers out injured/DUI) and offer from top down for drivers to volunteer to go home after the driver sort and load. I never got forced off the clock due to lack of volunteers.

[Bubblehead]

Originally Posted by hondo

Dorkhead & Geriatric, apparently that language isn't in the NMA. Here in Local 705 (and apparently 710) it's as Brownman & Iowaboy described. Here's a good opportunity to introduce yourself to your stewards/BAs and ask if it's in any local/regional riders, supplements, addenda, or letters of understanding. Or a past practice that is being neglected. BTW, always keep track of your hours worked!

Bingo!!!

Hondo, your much smarter than your avatar lead me to believe.
This issue, like so many others, vary greatly from supplement to supplement.
This forum is not the most reliable source of information regarding contractual issues.
Know your local and regional supplements before concerning yourself with NMA language.
When in doubt consult your local union representatives.

[bumped]

Originally Posted by 959Nanook

I'm in a center with 13 routes and a driver sort and load. Start times vary by three hours depending upon your duties on the sort and load and whether you have a town route or extended (rural) route.

We have the language about posting on Friday for the next week. They adjust as needed and claim it as an "Act of God" which is allowed in the contract.

I'm the bottom (17/17) seniority full-time driver. My start time generally says "Call at 10:00" across the board most weeks. If I'm not scheduled to work that day, I sit around and wait for a phone call that comes anytime between 8:00 and 12:00 (I've gotten the call as late as 13:00) if it comes at all. If I am covering a sick, I get the call as soon as the sick driver calls in. If I am running a dump route, then I get the call between 10:00 and 12:00. It just gets frustrating after a couple of weeks with fewer days worked than weeks that have passed and you are sitting around every day waiting for a phone call.

This week (posted last Friday) was "Call at 10:00" except for Wednesday which was 8:30 start.
Monday - They called me in around 9ish for a 10:45 start.
Tuesday - No call.
Wednesday- Scheduled start.
Thursday - I knew Wednesday night from a fellow driver, not through my supervisor as he was at home by the time I returned to the building and didn't bother calling me, that they needed me in at 9:00 on Thursday to cover for the driver that asked me if I would cover his route.
Friday (Today) - No call.

It wasn't always this hokie. We used to schedule all the drivers (unless there were no vacations or drivers out injured/DUI) and offer from top down for drivers to volunteer to go home after the driver sort and load. I never got forced off the clock due to lack of volunteers.

I'm the pain in the butt type. I would call at 10:00 and not answer a call any earlier. After I called I wouldn't pick up the phone even if they called later.

And.. if they would say to come in I would take my time doing so.

Caller ID is a godsend.

[959Nanook]

Originally Posted by bumped

I'm the pain in the butt type. I would call at 10:00 and not answer a call any earlier. After I called I wouldn't pick up the phone even if they called later.

And.. if they would say to come in I would take my time doing so.

Caller ID is a godsend.

I would try this except for one thing: the contract (not sure if it is NMA, Western Region Rider, or Local 959 Supplement) says we have to be available by phone for changes in the schedule so they would just say that any phone call from them was to change my schedule from "Call" to "Report".

Caller ID only works for my Center Supervisor. The Center phone has a blocked number so customers cannot *69 the Center since the Center is not staffed during the afternoon and they don't feel like dealing with customers when we are staffed. They leave messages anyways if I don't pickup.

[NY11725]

Monday = 6:10 Tuesday = 6:20 or 6:25, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday is 6:30...I am sure it will become more like 5:30 once peak season kicks in.

[bumped]

Originally Posted by 959Nanook

I would try this except for one thing: the contract (not sure if it is NMA, Western Region Rider, or Local 959 Supplement) says we have to be available by phone for changes in the schedule so they would just say that any phone call from them was to change my schedule from "Call" to "Report".

Caller ID only works for my Center Supervisor. The Center phone has a blocked number so customers cannot *69 the Center since the Center is not staffed during the afternoon and they don't feel like dealing with customers when we are staffed. They leave messages anyways if I don't pickup.

Talk to your steward. You don't have to be on call all day long. That is crazy. Unless you really want to work and be at their beck and call.