Hours Worked!!!! Beware All

[The Brown Santa]

It's STEWARD not Stewart!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Man that irritates me!

[Jones]

Originally Posted by The Brown Santa

It's STEWARD not Stewart!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Man that irritates me!

I second that. I generally bite my tongue though because I know it's an honest mistake.

[Fredless]

Originally Posted by The Brown Santa

It's STEWARD not Stewart!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Man that irritates me!

...same here.

[over9five]

"Man that irritates me! "

Third! Motion passed!

[HEFFERNAN]

I don't understand this guys math skills or his lack of showing where it says that in the contract.
If there really is a big issue. Have your local express it to higher ups in the union.
But from where I stand, It doesnt look like you fully comprehend the contract language

[Skippy262]

Yes that is correct vac/sick/holidays are not being counted towards "hours worked" therefore no credit twards pension/health and welfare.

[BigBrownSanta]

Originally Posted by Skippy262

6 sickdays lost 240 hrs based on taking 1 at a time total left 1840 hrs

Are you trying to say you lose 40 hours per sickday?
Or should this be 48 hrs lost?

Originally Posted by Skippy262

6 holidays lost 240 hrs
time total left 1600 hrs

Are you trying to say you lose 40 hrs credit for each holiday?
Or should this also be 48 hrs lost?

[tieguy]

This is one of those times where skippy, his shop "stewart" and his BA should think about getting out of the union business.

[Skippy262]

I don't think your comment is necessary. We are here to try and help each other. the contract says:
Article 34
(i) UPS part time pension plan
P/t employees will recieve (1) yr of credited service for 750 hrs or more paid hrs. (Six months of p/t credited service will be granted for 375-500 HOURS WORKED in a calander yr, and 9 months of p/t credited service will be granted for 501-749 HOURS WORKED in a calander yr.this paragraph will also be applied to determine CREDITED SERVICE for ALL FULL TIME EMPLOYEES on the payroll on Aug 1, 2002.who were formerly participants in the UPS Pension Plan.

[OldUPSDriver]

Where does it say that sick/vacation/holidays do not count?? Please quote it from the contract.

[GuyinBrown]

If you're looking at a "service pension" ( 30 and out ) then you only need to get credit for 40 weeks to get credit for the year, and only need to work 1 hour in a week to get credit for that week....

[Skippy262]

That's what "HOURS WORKED" MEANS. I have already gone over all of these numbers with both the BA, the Shop STEWARD. THE HALL is now scrambling to get in front of this I am being told before they have a revolt from every dues paying member.

[UpstateNYUPSer]

Perhaps you should have waited before you had confirmation from the Union that your theory is correct before posting it here.

[hondo]

Originally Posted by Skippy262

I have just spent several days going over this with our shop stewart seems we are all going to have big problems. I have figured out that under the new agreement everyone of us will never be able to get to the maximum retiremement benefit which we all think we might someday be able to enjoy. After I brought this to our shop stewart he in turn took it to the hall and they are all scrambling to see how to get this reversed.
Hours worked are now being calculated in your paystubs and there is a reason for it.
All heath and welfare and retirement contributitions are calculated under "HOURS WORKED".
Here are the figures they are based on 40 hr. work week (because overtime is not garanteed)
52 weeks/ yr x 40 hrs= 2080 total hrs
6 sickdays lost 240 48 hrs based on taking 1 at a time total left 1840 2032 hrs
6 holidays (weeks) lost 240 hrs
time total left 1600 1792 hrs
1 wk option lost 40 hrs
total time left 1560 1752 hrs
need 1650 hrs to get 1 year retirement accredited you are short over/+ 90 102 hrs.
4 weeks vac. lost 160 hrs
total short 250 hrs=you need to work 5.20 hrs o/t every week or you will never get the 1650 hrs needed.
5 weeks vac. 200 hrs
total short 290 hrs=you need to work 6.17 hrs o/t every week to get to 1650 hrs. or no credit.
6 weeks vac. 240 hrs
total short 330 hrs.= you need to work 7.17 hrs o/t every week or you get no credit.
This is not acceptable that our Union has agreed to this and we the working/ dues paying teamsters are now stuck with this agreement.

Does that look better?

Originally Posted by The Brown Santa

It's STEWARD not Stewart!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Man that irritates me!

I'm just going to change my name to Stuart/Stewart when I make steward.

[Pip]

Not that it really matters, but just took a vacation week the 1st of the year. On my check it also has been changed to "hours worked", and My vacation hours were added to "hours worked". the week between Christmas and New years I took a couple personal days, and that was added towards "hours worked". Guess it might possibly depend on where your at. But here it was put towards my yearly totals.

Just my to 2 cents.

Skippy262,

Ah, now we're getting somewhere. You're talking about the UPS Pension Plan for part-timers in the Central States area. These quotes of yours threw us off track.

. . . I have figured out that under the new agreement everyone of us will never be able to get to the maximum retiremement benefit which we all think we might someday be able to enjoy . . .
. . .
. . . All heath and welfare and retirement contributitions are calculated under "HOURS WORKED". . . .

Anyway, note that the first line of Article 34, section 1, (i), (2), which you quoted, says:
Part-time employees will receive one (1) year of Credited Service for 750 or more paid hours.

The paragraph you quoted is not new language. It would be a violation of Past Practice for UPS to unilatterally change the definition of hours used in the calculations. Pension changes are a Subject of Mandatory Bargaining.

Also, check your Supplement for a Maintenance of Standards article. It's Article 47, Section 1 - Protection of Conditions, in my New England Supplement.
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My Stewart is in Feeders. He pulls a trailor. He insists his name isn't Stewart. It's Paul.

[BigBrownSanta]

I am not trying to argue with you. I asked because your numbers seemed to imply that sick days and holidays would cause you to NOT get retirement credit for the ENTIRE week. If that is the case, then this really is a big deal. If not, then it appears some people will have take less days off or, at the least, keep really good records of their accumulated hours.

[Skippy262]

After speaking to my "SHOP STEWARD" and he has just come off a vac week, so he checked his paystub and it did not count towards "HOURS WORKED". So yes it is going to have a great big affect on everyone when the time comes to calculate your ability to attain years credited towards your retirement. It is almost impossible to attain the time needed to get the "HOURS WORKED". Sickdays and holidays as well as vac. days will affect the "Hours Worked" they are not being counted under the "Hours Worked" now being separated in the pay week. It is my understanding that if you do not have 40hrs "Hours Worked" for the week you will get no credit towards your retiremment as well as your health and welfare contributitions by UPS.

[Johney]

Originally Posted by Skippy262

After speaking to my "SHOP STEWARD" and he has just come off a vac week, so he checked his paystub and it did not count towards "HOURS WORKED". So yes it is going to have a great big affect on everyone when the time comes to calculate your ability to attain years credited towards your retirement. It is almost impossible to attain the time needed to get the "HOURS WORKED". Sickdays and holidays as well as vac. days will affect the "Hours Worked" they are not being counted under the "Hours Worked" now being separated in the pay week. It is my understanding that if you do not have 40hrs "Hours Worked" for the week you will get no credit towards your retiremment as well as your health and welfare contributitions by UPS.

I give up. I think I'll just quit now and save myself the aggrevation. If they have found some type of loophole to allow this to happen

[scratch]

So, according to Skippy262, UPS wants to short everyone in this new contract so that it takes everyone longer to retire? That doesn't make sense. Thats saying that UPS wants 60+ year old employees in the workforce who don't move as fast and are more prone to injuries. I am amazed that no one else has picked up on this idea.

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by Skippy262

I don't think your comment is necessary. We are here to try and help each other. the contract says:
Article 34
(i) UPS part time pension plan
P/t employees will recieve (1) yr of credited service for 750 hrs or more paid hrs. (Six months of p/t credited service will be granted for 375-500 HOURS WORKED in a calander yr, and 9 months of p/t credited service will be granted for 501-749 HOURS WORKED in a calander yr.this paragraph will also be applied to determine CREDITED SERVICE for ALL FULL TIME EMPLOYEES on the payroll on Aug 1, 2002.who were formerly participants in the UPS Pension Plan.

I'm sorry skippy but you are so wrong on this issue. I really don't understand how your BA has let this rumor continue without squashing it immediately. Is he brand new to his job? Has he never calculated a retirement payout for anyone in your local before? Do you guys live in some kind of vaccuum? Its sad because I can see you're really concerned and think this is a real issue. But it's not anything to worry about and you should kick you steward and your BA straight in the rear for not being able to give you a better answer.

[hondo]

Skippy subtracted 6 (six) weeks of sick time instead of 6 (six) days, as I tried to point out (apparently rather ineffectively) in post # 43. If you're still worried about it, work all the OT you can until you've banked the 1650 (full-time), then take it down a few notches until PEAK. As a lowly part-time cardboard shuffler, I managed over 1200 hours as defined above, and there were many more to be had.