Do I have cause to file a grievance? - Brown Cafe

jlphotog · 01-26-2008, 07:43 AM

About six months ago I was asked by our CM to come in 6:00am to help out on pre-load. I said yes. Near the beginning of this year he asked me to come in at 5:30. Again I said yes.

Then this week the pre-load supe informed all drivers that no one was to punch in before our start time which is 8:30. He also said this decision is his and the CM cannot over ride it.

This has cut 3 hours of OT per day off of me. That equates to a crap load of money each year. Well over 20G’s that I wont make now.

Do I have a case?

trplnkl · 01-26-2008, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by jlphotog

About six months ago I was asked by our CM to come in 6:00am to help out on pre-load. I said yes. Near the beginning of this year he asked me to come in at 5:30. Again I said yes.

Then this week the pre-load supe informed all drivers that no one was to punch in before our start time which is 8:30. He also said this decision is his and the CM cannot over ride it.

This has cut 3 hours of OT per day off of me. That equates to a crap load of money each year. Well over 20G’s that I wont make now.

Do I have a case?

The first thing I would do is go ask the Center manager. Isn't he the preload sups boss?

Fnix · 01-26-2008, 08:02 AM

Just stop coming in early

jlphotog · 01-26-2008, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Fnix

Just stop coming in early

Going in early is not the point. I don't mind doing that. The point is the money I will not make because of this.

ikoi62 · 01-26-2008, 08:10 AM

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The first thing I would do is go ask the Center manager. Isn't he the preload sups boss?

that depends,in a small building maybe,i large buildings not so much.
and i don't think you can file for loss of ot, unless its a seniority issue.

jlphotog · 01-26-2008, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ikoi62

i don't think you can file for loss of ot, unless its a seniority issue.

Thanks,

I don't want to file for loss of OT. I don't want to get it for free. I would rather work for it. I just want the hours and the pay that goes with it back.

scratch · 01-26-2008, 08:15 AM

I think that this should come down to whoever is paying you the hours. If the Center Manager is telling you to start, then it should be out of the Center's hours, not the Preload. I would think that the Center Manager outranks the Perload Sup, but of course IE has the power over everyone. You "work as directed" by your Center Manager, not the Preload. I would let those two fuss about whose budget your pay comes out of.

2Slow · 01-26-2008, 09:13 AM

It is preload work, and if they have part time preload people available to do it, then they have dibs.

But... If managment starts doing the work, you can grieve that. Considering that you are willing to do the work, You will almost certainly win.

Do drivers around you have work that they would like to get rid of? I know in my center it would be very easy to come up with some extra work pretty much every day...

jlphotog · 01-26-2008, 09:38 AM

The problem in out ctr is they don't have enough drivers, pre-loaders or even mechanics. HR interviews people everyday.

I don't really want the extra hours at the end of the day beyond what I already do. I'm done my area by 16:30 then I help someone with pu's almost every day. I liked it the way things were. I'm punched out no later 18:30 and home my 19:00. (I'm a morning person) 12 hours a day. 3 on pre-load 9 at driving. I hit OT at 14:30 that way.

But things have slowed down in the past week, (peak is finally over) So I guess the pre-load supe thinks, thanks for your help, now I don't need you, so go away. Nice gratitude for helping them through the tough times, huh.

I got used to taking home that extra 300-400 a week and it's really going to hurt now.

trplnkl · 01-26-2008, 09:46 AM

Jlp, I'm not accusing you of anything and take your post at face value.
In our center, we have a few FT drivers that really like working the pre load so they can get home earlier with a little lighter load to deliver. Seeing how starting at 5:30 their 12 hour max worked day would end at 18:30, they obviously can't deliver a 10 hour planned day. This requires that stops be moved to fellow drivers already going out with heavy planned days to compensate. Is that part of your reasoning?

over9five · 01-26-2008, 09:54 AM

Jlp. you really have to start watching, and find out how the work you USED to do for them is getting done now.

If it is being done by a sup, grieve it.

If it's being done by less senior drivers, grieve it.

If it's being done by off the clock drivers, grieve it.

If the preload can handle it, you have no beef it's not your job.

jlphotog · 01-26-2008, 09:55 AM

trplnkl, that is not my reasoning at all. That 12 hour rule seems to be only a guide line in our ctr. Last week I was over 12 hours everyday and no one said a word to me about it. In fact the Friday before x-mas I did 15.5 hours. Punched in at 05:30, punched out at 21:00 and went code 5.

I take what ever comes down the line for me. Except for the occasional huge piece that comes down the belt after my truck is already full.

trplnkl · 01-26-2008, 09:56 AM

OK your latest post came while I was typing mine.
The money is not the only issue, if it were you would gladly take more stops off of the other drivers to pad your OT.
Don't wanna be rude, but this smacks of a cake and eat it too scenario.

trplnkl · 01-26-2008, 09:58 AM

Many a sin is forgiven during peak.

wadep · 01-26-2008, 10:03 AM

You just want to buy a damn Harley with all that overtime you were getting. Just buck up, break down and buy it already. *LMAO*

jlphotog · 01-26-2008, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by wadep

You just want to buy a damn Harley with all that overtime you were getting. Just buck up, break down and buy it already. *LMAO*

I never should have gone the Harley dealer with you.

At least you lightened the mood here.

wadep · 01-26-2008, 10:07 AM

You know you want it !!!!

wadep · 01-26-2008, 10:08 AM

Chicks dig scars and leather!!!

over9five · 01-26-2008, 10:08 AM

"Just buck up, break down and buy it already."

I'm with Wadep on that one!

HazMatMan · 01-26-2008, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by jlphotog

About six months ago I was asked by our CM to come in 6:00am to help out on pre-load. I said yes. Near the beginning of this year he asked me to come in at 5:30. Again I said yes.

Then this week the pre-load supe informed all drivers that no one was to punch in before our start time which is 8:30. He also said this decision is his and the CM cannot over ride it.

This has cut 3 hours of OT per day off of me. That equates to a crap load of money each year. Well over 20G’s that I wont make now.

Do I have a case?

You need to talk to the preload manager. See what he has to say about starting early. If he says ok then get with your CM about starting early if he says ok then start early and tell the supe to kiss your *****..

One question though, is that procedure for an understaffed preload? For drivers to come in early??
Just remember, you are a driver not a preloader, you are not guaranteed any preload hours, you are guaranteed 8 hours as a driver. If you are there before your start time then let someone know you are available to work. (if supes are working)

raceanoncr · 01-26-2008, 01:54 PM

According to any contract we have every had, you are only guaranteed the amount of straight time hours your classification calls for. If you are f/t, you are only guaranteed 40 hours of pay.

You can only file for o/t if a less senior f/ter is doing the same work in your time slot and in your work area and you are not but COULD be.

As always, tho, be careful what you wish for, it may come true. How? You may get called on to work more hours then you want. Then what? Do you file on that too?

You cannot file on something that MIGHT happen, such as getting more hours.

jlphotog · 01-26-2008, 02:12 PM

From all the responses I am gathering the answer to my original question is NO. That is actually good as I don't really want to file a grievance, but thought if it could help me in this situation I will have to bite the bullet and do it.

diesel96 · 01-26-2008, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by wadep

You just want to buy a damn Harley with all that overtime you were getting. Just buck up, break down and buy it already. *LMAO*

Buying the Harley is one thing, then comes dressing it up to fit your personality....Once you catch the fever, believe me, he'll still need to work that o/t for sometime.

lost · 01-26-2008, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by trplnkl

The first thing I would do is go ask the Center manager. Isn't he the preload sups boss?

Not in my building. Of course ours is not a small building. I have a sort manager that wants things done his way and of course the center manager wants me to do things his way. I cant please both. So sorry but my sort manager is my boss, thats whose direction I have follow. But the sort manager is concerned with numbers... His famous words are "Just get it on the car, and get the preloaders outta here!" The center manager is more concerned with getting everything loaded right for the drivers. I would like to see us go to just the center manager instead of the sort manager.

pkg-king · 01-26-2008, 06:31 PM

geez some of you guys work a heck of a lot of hours, we can't go over 9.5 hrs per day.