How UPS has nearly destroyed my life...

Cementups · 02-17-2008, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by toonertoo

Register and have a real discussion.

I'mguessing it was a usual poster that logged off to post that to be funny and didn't want to gt ridiculed for making a silly post.

Alwayspaidover&underpaid · 02-17-2008, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Fnix

There are alot of minorities in UPS. Many hold high positions of Division and District roles on up.

What has that got to do with this man getting injured for working as directed and working hard? Are you saying he will be rewarded with a promotion to management? Will he be informed of the ADDITIONAL price he will have to pay for that promotion? I know a supervisor who made his way to divison manager. The ONLY thing changed about him is, he has become an even bigger jerk than he was when he was a supervisor. Does being in management also require you to ignore the HUMAN ELEMENT OF THIS JOB. You act as though we are MACHINES not human beings. We need lubrcation and fuel just as the trucks do. When a truck breaks down, you get it repaired. This man "brokedown", he got the shaft. How does the equate to getting a promotion?

tieguy · 02-17-2008, 09:37 AM

[quote=trplnkl;303764]Sorry Tie, gotta disagree on this. The wear and tear on muscles and tendons can very well happen i a short period of time, depending on the amount of weight and number of parcels being moved and lifted.[quote]

reread my post. I did not say it can't happen. I said its highly unusual. And it is. There has to be more to this story. I have run many inside operations. People don't rip tendons in less then a year. Heck I didn't have people doing it after twenty years.

Fnix · 02-17-2008, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Alwayspaidover&underpaid

What has that got to do with this man getting injured for working as directed and working hard? Are you saying he will be rewarded with a promotion to management? Will he be informed of the ADDITIONAL price he will have to pay for that promotion? I know a supervisor who made his way to divison manager. The ONLY thing changed about him is, he has become an even bigger jerk than he was when he was a supervisor. Does being in management also require you to ignore the HUMAN ELEMENT OF THIS JOB. You act as though we are MACHINES not human beings. We need lubrcation and fuel just as the trucks do. When a truck breaks down, you get it repaired. This man "brokedown", he got the shaft. How does the equate to getting a promotion?

My post was directed at the few people who were discussing minorities. It had nothing to do with the original post.

tieguy · 02-17-2008, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Alwayspaidover&underpaid

What has that got to do with this man getting injured for working as directed and working hard? Are you saying he will be rewarded with a promotion to management? Will he be informed of the ADDITIONAL price he will have to pay for that promotion? I know a supervisor who made his way to divison manager. The ONLY thing changed about him is, he has become an even bigger jerk than he was when he was a supervisor. Does being in management also require you to ignore the HUMAN ELEMENT OF THIS JOB. You act as though we are MACHINES not human beings. We need lubrcation and fuel just as the trucks do. When a truck breaks down, you get it repaired. This man "brokedown", he got the shaft. How does the equate to getting a promotion?

wow. You responded to fnix. I read and reread your response to him several times and don't understand why you are responding such? He never said any of the things you are accusing him of?

trplnkl · 02-17-2008, 12:55 PM

[quote=tieguy;303877][quote=trplnkl;303764]Sorry Tie, gotta disagree on this. The wear and tear on muscles and tendons can very well happen i a short period of time, depending on the amount of weight and number of parcels being moved and lifted.

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reread my post. I did not say it can't happen. I said its highly unusual. And it is. There has to be more to this story. I have run many inside operations. People don't rip tendons in less then a year. Heck I didn't have people doing it after twenty years.

I have been on the job for 20+ years and have not torn a tendon, however I did tear a rotator cuff. Although that was a specific injury incident, not repetitive. On the repetitive side I did/do have problems with a sciatic nerve that crops back up from time to time. The Doctors (both mine and the company's) agreed that it was from repetitive trauma from daily driving UP$ trucks with bad seating, no workable shocks and crappy springs.
And really Tie, just because you haven't seen it happen doesn't mean it is highly unusual. I'm sure there are some reports somewhere you can research to see just how often this occurs at UP$. That would be interesting to find out.

trplnkl · 02-17-2008, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by tieguy

wow. You responded to fnix. I read and reread your response to him several times and don't understand why you are responding such? He never said any of the things you are accusing him of?

I'm with you Tie, why respond to Fnix? It was impacted or whatever that brought up minorities in this thread. Geeez, ever notice some people just seem to have reading disabilities?

steamroll · 02-21-2008, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ImpactedTSG

Non-white males. Our district was full of excellent white males that got passed over for women, asians, blacks with a lot less experience or ability. Minorites in management is a balanced scorecard element so you can't tell me that it has impact on who gets promoted.

well it seems that ups always changes the rules. first they tell the potential candidate he or she must put thier time in. if they already put thier time in then ups tell them they must obtain a degree. well there's plenty of white male managers that don't even have a college degree. is that the good ol' boy network of politics. i guess some still want the same old legacy.

steamroll · 02-24-2008, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by toonertoo

No. It is called reverse discrimination. And there isnt a thing you can do about it.

well one must reap what they sowed. so if one person didn't hire a qualified person because of any kind of politics. then the u.s. government passes a law against any kind of discrimination. so now someone may have a opportunity that they didn't have before. so folks that complained about reverse discrimination, racism, the shoe is on the other foot. now you know what it feels like. if there was no prejudice, racism, discrimination, laws wouldn't be pass to give someone basic rights, that the majority already had.

dillweed · 02-24-2008, 12:54 PM

There's nothing we can do about it so relax. Hopefully future generations will reap the benefits of equal opportunity.

Successful people will try and raise their children to be successful. New generations of diverse, intelligent and successful people.

If the cycle doesn't stop, it may at least slow down.

big_arrow_up · 02-24-2008, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jds4lunch

Let me ask you this: If a white person was hired over a minority, the minority might cry racism. Now could a white person play the race card if the shoe was on the other foot? Absolutley not. I'm not being racist here, I'm just saying that there is a double standard here. Am I wrong?

I've always wondered that myself. Can a white person living in an area where blacks are the majority be awarded jobs through affirmative action?

toonertoo · 02-25-2008, 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by steamroll

well one must reap what they sowed. so if one person didn't hire a qualified person because of any kind of politics. then the u.s. government passes a law against any kind of discrimination. so now someone may have a opportunity that they didn't have before. so folks that complained about reverse discrimination, racism, the shoe is on the other foot. now you know what it feels like. if there was no prejudice, racism, discrimination, laws wouldn't be pass to give someone basic rights, that the majority already had.

I didnt sow it, and I know how it feels, and I worked to improve my self, and if a white male or other minority gets hired over me, it should be because the are more qualified, not becuase they are the minority on the quota. And every person should be treated equally, regardless if they are black, or white.

ImpactedTSG · 02-26-2008, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by big_arrow_up

I've always wondered that myself. Can a white person living in an area where blacks are the majority be awarded jobs through affirmative action?

If you don't get shot first, then yes you could get a job as a minority. But make sure you know less than most if not all of the people that work under you.