Terminated For Gross Negligence

705red · 02-24-2008, 05:00 PM

I guess we all have learned something from this accident. 1 decision, 1 second of your day can change your life and others forever. Good luck to you in your fight to regain employment and everyone should just take a second to reflect, this could have been anyone of us. Think through every decision and expect the unexpected.

broncobros1 · 02-24-2008, 05:33 PM

I would be willing to place a bet that there is more to the story than you are letting on...my experiences show that if there was even a smidgen of doubt the Union would get you off a a technicality. What's the whole scoop...?

dannyboy · 02-24-2008, 05:59 PM

laurietito

If you are too ashamed to post the actual data here, or just dont know how, send me a PM, and I will walk you through it.

The challenge. If you are for real, this is your chance. If not, well then we were right, you are a troll or at the very least a fake. If you really want help, there you go.

d

laurietito · 02-24-2008, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DS

WOW! This thread has turned out to be informative in a few ways.
The more I think about it,the more I think there's the possibility that this accident could have been avoidable.The driver that got hit is taking the fact that a fatality was involved a bit too lightly,regardless of who was at fault.He should've taken the job they offered in the hope that some day he could work up to a driving position in the future.I do wish him luck.
I've also learned that this forum often addresses some pretty serious issues and is not just a place to trade ideas and complain.If caught early enough,this incident could have evolved differently if the driver involved had sought advice here the day it happened.The browncafe rocks.

I am not taking this too lightly at all. It has been a very difficult 8 months for all parties involved. I am sorry if I sound like I do not care... This accident was not avoidable unless I stayed home that day....

laurietito · 02-24-2008, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by dannyboy

laurietito

If you are too ashamed to post the actual data here, or just dont know how, send me a PM, and I will walk you through it.

The challenge. If you are for real, this is your chance. If not, well then we were right, you are a troll or at the very least a fake. If you really want help, there you go.

d

Thanks..... but I am not posting anything... I know this is for real, that is all that matters... I live it everyday..

dannyboy · 02-24-2008, 07:18 PM

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but I am not posting anything... I know this is for real, that is all that matters

Yeah right. Then why did you bother asking for help. So I guess Tie nailed it early on, nothing but a troll.

Have fun!

d

brett636 · 02-24-2008, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by dannyboy

Yeah right. Then why did you bother asking for help. So I guess Tie nailed it early on, nothing but a troll.

Have fun!

d

While I cannot verify all the facts of his story, I can assure you this did happen. Laurietito and I are based out of the same center(except I am PM air), and I do remember when this incident occurred. Through our PM correspondence I'm confident he is the same driver that this occured too. Everyone I spoke with thought he would get his job back. Evidently this did not happen, and its a sad end to an unfortunate accident. The combo job he described was put up for bid late last summer and every high seniority combo worker in our hub was drooling all over it.

He is no troll.

dannyboy · 02-24-2008, 08:54 PM

Then why not post, or PM the info documenting the actual accident. Hell, let me know the date and city, and I can document the thing myself. Why is he playing stupid? If he really wants his job back, we can possibly help. Or at the very least, we can offer some dandy ways he can maybe come out of this with at least something.

So, if he is real, then why the head games?

d

kene1024 · 02-24-2008, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by dannyboy

Then why not post, or PM the info documenting the actual accident. Hell, let me know the date and city, and I can document the thing myself. Why is he playing stupid? If he really wants his job back, we can possibly help. Or at the very least, we can offer some dandy ways he can maybe come out of this with at least something.

So, if he is real, then why the head games?

d

Just from reading all these messages, it seems as if he just isn't very good at communicating in this manner. Some people don't communicate effectively via email or written communications.

It also probably doesn't make him feel any more at ease when people are calling him a troll, etc. if he's already having difficulty getting his point across.

dannyboy · 02-24-2008, 10:58 PM

But Kene, re-read his posts. He is very articulate about him not seeing the cyclist, therefor it is not his fault. He is also very good at comunicating that he wants to get even with UPS, and how mean and cruel they are to him, and how bad the teamsters are for not representing him at the hearings.

But yet with all those posts, all of which are designed to make him look good, why are there no posts that have any sort of proof of inocence? No dates given for the accident, no names of the victim, no posting of any paperwork showing what he is claiming. Now why would that be, if as you say, he is that backward when it comes to comunicating here on this site.

Nope, its not that he cant, or does not have the ability, its that he has refused. And for good reason. He just plainly did not see that cycle, when he should have. He went through a blinking red light, in spite of the fact there was traffic coming down the other street. And instead of waiting, he pulled out in front of traffic. I dont doubt that he did not see the cycle. But I do doubt that he is inocent as claimed. And that the police report said he is not at fault.

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Indianapolis, IN -- One person was killed Wednesday afternoon in a wreck on Indianapolis' north side. A United Parcel Service truck and motorcycle collided at 40th and Meridian streets at about 2:30 p.m. The motorcyclist was killed

But I am trying to trace down what happened. It might take me a while, but I will find out the truth, in spite of what he has posted.

d

dannyboy · 02-25-2008, 04:20 AM

ANd this is the intersection, right? WIth both streets being straight for as far as you can see, at least 10 blocks on both streets.

trplnkl · 02-25-2008, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by dannyboy

ANd this is the intersection, right? WIth both streets being straight for as far as you can see, at least 10 blocks on both streets.

Dannyboy, you've only been back for a few days after some time away from the board. 2Slow has been posting here a little while and I have no reason to doubt him when he vouches for L.
If this had all happened to me I would NOT post a copy of the report, even though I have the equipment and know how to do so. I would say there is better than average chance that L doesn't have a scanner of doesn't know how to photoshop. Instead of accusing him of being dishonest, why not question why the BA didn't do a better job of defense? That's what WE pay them for. The BA should have gotten all the reports, all the documents involved, done some investigation on hos own and put together a defense that would help our Brother in need. You Claim to have experience in this type of stuff, use some of that to offer good advice. Otherwise you come across as a management sheep flowing to party line tactics. Your insistence that YOU HAVE to see the actual report is a bit arrogant and totally uncalled for. If this was happening to me I would have told you to take a hike a long time ago. As the saying goes, if you are part of the solution you are part of the problem.

dannyboy · 02-25-2008, 05:37 AM

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if you are part of the solution you are part of the problem.

Its, If you are not part of the solution, its because you are part of the problem.

And L has become part of the problem.

Each one of the posters have said, yes it has happened. We dont know any of the details, but it happened. So how does that change any of my questions for L. They each were non specific on what actually happened.

As a former business agent, I have developed a nose for those drivers that are not telling the whole story. If you would kindly re read my first post on this thread, you will find that I am very supportive of L's claims, and still am if what he says pans out. But since he is less than willing to come clean with proof, then I will do it the other way, find out myself. After all, the actual accident is public record. After we know what actually occured, including witness statements, then we can speculate on what the BA did right or wrong.

But right now, dealing with the fact that so far, no lawyer has touched the case etc etc etc, I smell that something is not right. So either he can post the truth, or we will see it for ourselves, minus of course personal identification.

IF he really wants help, we can. If all he wants to do is cry and moan on how UPS screwed him, and the teamsters helped, well this site has a bunch of that type as well. And when you dig into their storys, usually you find not all is like it was spelled out on this site.

I like to call it like it is.

Im not asking for him to post all his dirty laundry here, just the facts of what happened with documentation. That is what it will take to be of any real help. Then again, it might be all he does really want is our pity instead of help?

d

trickpony1 · 02-25-2008, 08:03 AM

which direction and on what street was the cyclist moving?
also, what time did the accident occur?
did the cyclist have his headlight on? (I believe I asked this question already but didn't get a response).

Dutch Dawg · 02-25-2008, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by dannyboy

Then why not post, or PM the info documenting the actual accident. ...... So, if he is real, then why the head games?

Exactly !!

With all the pages of conversation devoted to this thread, I missed if the post accident urine test results were ever addressed. How did they come back?

Uh..if this was a package car accident that occured near Indy and I read some mention of Meridan St, wouldn't he be under local 135? and not 710.

brett636 · 02-25-2008, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Dutch Dawg

Exactly !!

With all the pages of conversation devoted to this thread, I missed if the post accident urine test results were ever addressed. How did they come back?

Uh..if this was a package car accident that occured near Indy and I read some mention of Meridan St, wouldn't he be under local 135? and not 710.

Yes, this was stated earlier. Indy is covered by local 135, although the pension for the area is run by local 710.

laurietito · 02-25-2008, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by trplnkl

Dannyboy, you've only been back for a few days after some time away from the board. 2Slow has been posting here a little while and I have no reason to doubt him when he vouches for L.
If this had all happened to me I would NOT post a copy of the report, even though I have the equipment and know how to do so. I would say there is better than average chance that L doesn't have a scanner of doesn't know how to photoshop. Instead of accusing him of being dishonest, why not question why the BA didn't do a better job of defense? That's what WE pay them for. The BA should have gotten all the reports, all the documents involved, done some investigation on hos own and put together a defense that would help our Brother in need. You Claim to have experience in this type of stuff, use some of that to offer good advice. Otherwise you come across as a management sheep flowing to party line tactics. Your insistence that YOU HAVE to see the actual report is a bit arrogant and totally uncalled for. If this was happening to me I would have told you to take a hike a long time ago. As the saying goes, if you are part of the solution you are part of the problem.

Dutch Dawg · 02-25-2008, 01:26 PM

It's interesting to read some of the thoughts on here decrying the injustice of this purported event and what the union should have done to defend differently, from some of the same people that believe others here don't need any additional facts aside from the few teasers we've all read here.

Perhaps it's past time to take this cause elsewhere........

laurietito · 02-25-2008, 01:28 PM

TRP

Thank-you for the back-up. You are right I do not have a scanner or know how to photoshop. I posted my story to get opinions and support.... Instead I am being accused of being a liar, and a careless driver. Neither of these are true.
I NEVER SAW THE MOTORCYCLIST.... PERIOD...

laurietito · 02-25-2008, 01:29 PM

Thank-you BRETT..... This should be enough proof that I am not a troll....

laurietito · 02-25-2008, 01:36 PM

DANNYBOY

What Makes You Think There Was Traffic Coming When I Crossed The Intersection??? Were You There That Day?? It Was Clear Both Ways At The Time Like I Have Stated....

dannyboy · 02-25-2008, 06:46 PM

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What Makes You Think There Was Traffic Coming When I Crossed The Intersection???

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I NEVER SAW THE MOTORCYCLIST.... PERIOD

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It Was Clear Both Ways At The Time Like I Have Stated

HEhehe, OMG, are you really that stupid to post these three items all in a row?

What makes me think traffic was coming when you crossed the intersection? Well for starters, there was this motorcycle........

Now, the second one, the one where you state you never saw the guy? I guess in your mind, because you didnt see him, that means he was not there, therefore no one was coming down the road. But then we run into the little problem of that little bump you felt going through the intersection.

And it was clear both ways again? Well, if you blow the map up quite a bit, you should have been able to see for several thousand feet in either direction, as both streets are straight. So if there was nothing coming in either direction, then how were there three witnesses that said the guy was weaving in and out of traffic that was not even there?

I dont think you are lying, I think you are delusional

Thing is, if this is the way you approached your hearings, then i wonder what the heck ups was thinking when they even offered you an inside job. And with you as the star witness, you blame the union? Get a grip.

Like I said, it is a matter of time and I will have the accident report in my little hands, and we will know what actually occured. Like I said, with you testifying on your own behalf, I think that was the bigg