Driver terminated using gps info - Page 3 - Brown Cafe

tieguy · 02-23-2008, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by IDoLessWorkThanMost

It's not what is IN the contract, but what was failed to be addressed. the language is very weak; any employee is not to be disciplined due to information gathered by GPS only....so, GPS plus a managers word, versus employee IS good enough? It's really sad that this work process and technology has come to this point in a way. Most drivers are honest, hard working people and could still face unnecessary discipline because of the vague language.

it does not change anything. GPS should show the driver doing the job the way he/she were trained. If so then there is no issue with language in the contract.

tieguy · 02-23-2008, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MrFedEx

What a double-standard both FedEx and UPS have on the falsification issue. I see management falsification all the time on various reports, yet when an hourly falsifies anything it's time for the cross and nails to come out so they can be terminated with a vengeance.

another version of what you just said.
"what a double standard we have in society I read about people committing murder all the time and getting away with it. Yet if i committ murder i would go to jail"

You really should stick to only commenting on fdx management and not UPS. You have not earned the right to comment on UPS.

dannyboy · 02-23-2008, 12:23 PM

[QUOTE][Most drivers are honest, hard working people and could still face unnecessary discipline because of the vague language./QUOTE]

How would a honest driver face discipline if they are doing their job like they have been trained. If you are honest, honestly do your best to get the air off on time, and you cant, then there is nothing they can do to you. If you fudge, even a bit, that is dishonesty. Period. Its not that you delivered late air, its that you tried to falsify records to cover up the fact you have late air. And that is why they will fire you andmake it stick.

Deliver late air late. Never lie about it. Never fudge your records. If you do, they will come back to bite you. I promise. It will just be a matter of time. And when that happens, all your great deeds of service will forever be tainted. The world is full of ex ups drivers that were fired for dishonest actions like this. But I know of not one that was fired for delivering a late NDA honestly.

Its your choice. You make the decision to either be honest or dishonest. And if you have to think about it, then you are not the "drivers are honest, hard working people".

d

MrFedEx · 02-23-2008, 12:32 PM

I'll comment on whatever I choose to TieGuy. Since when do you own this site? And since I've also worked for UPS I have more knowledge of the company than you think. I really resent your smug superior attitude and general rude comments as well. Who appointed you God of the BC?
Yes,there's a double standard for almost anything, but we're being very specific here. Management is saying one thing and doing something else when push comes to shove. They tell employees to do something specific so their numbers will look good and then fire drivers when they do it....that's a double standard.
Management at both companies "cook the books" all the time and get away with it more often than not. Sure, there have been managers canned for falsification, but they generally protect each other. If someone is going to be headed out the door, 9 times out of 10 it's the driver.

pretzel_man · 02-23-2008, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MrFedEx

What a double-standard both FedEx and UPS have on the falsification issue. I see management falsification all the time on various reports, yet when an hourly falsifies anything it's time for the cross and nails to come out so they can be terminated with a vengeance.
The pressure to not have lates is intense, and so is the temptation to cheat the system. We have managers who actually try and beat the system by encouraging drivers to enter "delay" codes for certain customers who have guard gates or other security issues that could potentially cause a package to be late. The problem is that drivers wind up "abusing" the code and then are fired by the same manager(s)that advised using it in the first place.
When all of this comes-up during the inevitable GFT hearing the manager is inevitably absolved of any responsibility for the falsification. We suspect that our GPS is being used to exactly pinpoint driver location at the time of data entry to make the case for termination absolutely concrete. That's what I call a double standard.

UPS changed its internal measure on late packages.

It used to be that if a delivery was marked as customer requested late delivery, or weather, or emergency, it did not count as a late package.

Now, all late packages regardless of the reason count internally as late. Its known as the "no excuses" service measurement.

Year to year, service is much improved. GSR payments are down accordingly.

P-Man

tieguy · 02-23-2008, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MrFedEx

I'll comment on whatever I choose to TieGuy. Since when do you own this site? And since I've also worked for UPS I have more knowledge of the company than you think. I really resent your smug superior attitude and general rude comments as well. Who appointed you God of the BC?

your prescence is tolerated here because we don't want to offend Cheryl but the fact is most of us here don't care for your company. I have no problem being honest and telling you that. I have no problem telling you I have gotten a lot of PM's from others here that support my smug superior attitude against fdx posters sticking their nose in ups business.

The previous points prevail. As a ups poster on the brown cafe I have a right to have a smug attitude and decide you a fdx employee do not have the right to comment on the moral character of upsers.

rocket man · 02-23-2008, 01:26 PM

IVE TRIED YOU TELL HIM TIE GUY.

Jones · 02-23-2008, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by tieguy

but the fact is most of us here don't care for your company.

Speak for yourself, I like his posts for the most part.

coldworld · 02-23-2008, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by brownmonster

Here's an idea. Go back to 8 or 8:10 start times instead of 9. I'm not skipping a 100 piece dump stop to get some clowns resi NDA letter off. Give us the time to serve the damn customer. All of them.

Perfect brown..this sums it up in a nutshell!!!

coldworld · 02-23-2008, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by brownmonster

And all 3 companies push their drivers to go out and drum up more business. Start proving you can handle the volume and serve the customers you have and maybe we'll look for more.

HA, once again....touchdown!!!!

coldworld · 02-23-2008, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by raceanoncr

Geez, we're all worried about GPS? These two coulda been caught using a pair of binocs! Been done before!

What's the matter, people? Heard the decades old expression, "Work as directed"? Why not try it! Don't sort car half-hr before start time. Don't run. Don't jump off docks. Don't speed. Look left-right-left. Do take lunch. Work by the methods. Sure, you'll be harrassed. But! You know what? You won't be fired for it. Oh, sure, they can try and now come back and flame about how many HAVE been fired for following methods religiously! But why not take a count. How many UPSers have been fired permenantly for following methods compared to those that have been fired for not?

Ok, how the hell is this possible. There are how many hundreds of methods, that ups designed and that are required for us to do, or at least do the ones you know exist. If ups tried to fire you, or fired you for following the methods, why the hell wouldnt you win a lawsuit over this, the teamsters shouldnt have a problem getting your job back!!Anyone want to explain!!

Brown Dog · 02-23-2008, 03:13 PM

I want to agree with you coldworld because I sometimes do rummage around my trk before start time, work through my lunch and so forth BUT I shouldn't. I shouldn't give free time to the company. I should try to follow as many as the methods as I can remember, I shouldn't fudge on NDA's trying to help them look good on paper. It is their company, and it is their rules that we have to follow, that's the "game" we have to play to be a part of this UPS team. It doesn't always seem fair but hell, LIFE isn't fair. Race is right, If you can't get all your "airs" off before commit time, then so be it, let the chips fall where they may. Give your best effort, be honest, follow as many as the methods as you can, and take the high road. When we punch off the clock, then it's our time, we can play by our rules. Love those 7 weeks of vacation, weekends, money in my pocket, medical, dental, retirement. It really is the same all over and we could get treated just as shabbily somewhere else for a heck of alot less. Good luck, hangin there, the glass is 1/2 full.

coldworld · 02-23-2008, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Brown Dog

I want to agree with you coldworld because I sometimes do rummage around my trk before start time, work through my lunch and so forth BUT I shouldn't. I shouldn't give free time to the company. I should try to follow as many as the methods as I can remember, I shouldn't fudge on NDA's trying to help them look good on paper. It is their company, and it is their rules that we have to follow, that's the "game" we have to play to be a part of this UPS team. It doesn't always seem fair but hell, LIFE isn't fair. Race is right, If you can't get all your "airs" off before commit time, then so be it, let the chips fall where they may. Give your best effort, be honest, follow as many as the methods as you can, and take the high road. When we punch off the clock, then it's our time, we can play by our rules. Love those 7 weeks of vacation, weekends, money in my pocket, medical, dental, retirement. It really is the same all over and we could get treated just as shabbily somewhere else for a heck of alot less. Good luck, hangin there, the glass is 1/2 full.

The problem is that there are routes that have 1 or 2 airs a day and others have 200 pieces to get off by 1030...theres no reason that if you feel that you have too much mgt cant take some off and sort it to others with none. If all you do is run air until 1030 sounds like the route needs cut back.

rocket man · 02-23-2008, 06:13 PM

mr fed x is a wanna be call a whambulance wha mr tie guy might be a super but hes a UPSER

FedexExEmployee · 02-23-2008, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by tieguy

and those managers would say and what about the other managers or the divison managers that falsify their numbers.

Better to not get yourself caught up in that bag of excuses.

A manager sticking up for managers. What a suprise LOL

There's that tunnel vision of yours again

I'll tell you what was sweet. A courier at my ex-station, about 6-7 years ago, was fired for falsification. He called corporate and notified them to the falsification of timecards by management. All the managers who were accused and investigated got fired.

One low blow deserves another...

FedexExEmployee · 02-23-2008, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MrFedEx

I really resent your smug superior attitude and general rude comments as well. Who appointed you God of the BC?

He's a manager, what do you expect.

Probably goes home to his real boss and it's like "yes dear" "ok dear" "I'm sorry dear"

Damn, tieguy is really on your stick.

brownmonster · 02-23-2008, 07:40 PM

You Fedex guys are Tie's new playthings. It was Loyalmbe years ago and Canon a while back among others. It's quite entertaining. My "yes dear" is out of town for the weekend. I'm sure she's missing me as we speak. BM

dannyboy · 02-23-2008, 08:04 PM

BM, I thought it was just my imagination. It seems the more things change, the more they stay the same.

Tie, my most wonderful friend, some creatures are not worth hitting with the back tires of the package car.

d

brownmonster · 02-23-2008, 08:10 PM

d, where have you been. You said you were retired yet speak like one presently employed. BM

tieguy · 02-23-2008, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MrFedEx

HeyTieGuy,
You're like a dog that chases parked cars. You keep bouncing off the tire yet keep coming back for more. Using your own illogic, YOU have not "earned" the right to comment about anything involving FDX because you've never worked there. I once openly praised you for being intelligent...perhaps I was wrong. The same goes for you, "Rocket Scientist".

I'm sorry we appear to have a communications gap here. I asked you to speak on fdx and leave ups to us. You speak of dogs and tires.

tieguy · 02-23-2008, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by brownmonster

You Fedex guys are Tie's new playthings. It was Loyalmbe years ago and Canon a while back among others. It's quite entertaining. My "yes dear" is out of town for the weekend. I'm sure she's missing me as we speak. BM

I'm afraid you give me more credit then I deserve. If you go back and read my posts I've asked fedex one to speak about fdx and not ups. I have not responded to the second fdx poster who has most eagerly fired three posts in response. An objective analysis therefore would indicate that I am their plaything.

dannyboy · 02-23-2008, 08:50 PM

Tie, and such a sweet plaything you are indeed!

BM, yes, I am gone. But in ways, still in the thick of things. There is not a week goes by that I dont get 10 or more phone calls on UPS related issues. I guess they miss me. As Donald would say, I feel the love.

I have been traveling a bunch lately, western MD for 6 weeks, Philly last fall, DC for 6 weeks from thanksgiving through christmas(fun place to visit, pits for any other reason), going to louisville in March, Winston salem area for 10 days, just got back from 7 days all over florida, looks like boston in two weeks. This is the first weekend I have had pretty much to myself in a while.

I miss UPS in a strange sadistic way.

d

brownmonster · 02-23-2008, 08:57 PM

d, you live the life I have 11 years to wait for. Just let me camp in your yard when I make my first trip to Bristol. BM

tieguy · 02-23-2008, 09:22 PM

[quote=dannyboy;306576]Tie, and such a sweet plaything you are indeed!

BM, yes, I am gone. But in ways, still in the thick of things. There is not a week goes by that I dont get 10 or more phone calls on UPS related issues. I guess they miss me. As Donald would say, I feel the love.

I have been traveling a bunch lately, western MD for 6 weeks, Philly last fall, DC for 6 weeks from thanksgiving through christmas(fun place to visit, pits for any other reason), going to louisville in March, Winston salem area for 10 days, just got back from 7 days all over florida, looks like boston in two weeks. This is the first weekend I have had pretty much to myself in a while.

I miss UPS in a strange sadistic way.

its always good to see you back. even when you join in the play.

tieguy · 02-23-2008, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MrFedEx

Sorry for the misunderstanding TieGuy. I should have said that you chase the tires of parked package cars, not just any cars. Do you charge your drivers for an "avoidable" when you do that?

You and your alter ego are trying to turn all this into more then it needs to be. I think you should speak about fdx things and leave the ups discussion to upsers.