Driver terminated using gps info - Page 6 - Brown Cafe

satellitedriver · 02-25-2008, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MrFedEx

I stand by what I said. So much for TieGuy's integrity and the sanctity of PM's. Once again, can we please return to the topic?

If you stand by what you said, then there is no integrity issue against Tie.
As to the PM's being sacrosanct, I haven't read that one in the rule book.
Yes, you can return your topics back to the Fedex forum.

trplnkl · 02-26-2008, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by pkg-king

Eventually the dishonest sups and CM's get their's, they seem to get caught sooner or later.

Oh they get caught a lot, but it seems nothing much happens to them unless its a major fiasco. Then most of them just get demoted without losing one cent of their income or just moved to another location in a "lateral" move. The integrity issue with some (if not most) managers is a tool they use to get rid of people that are otherwise doing a good job. There really is a ton of difference in a driver recording a package while not directly in front of a stop and a driver stealing the contents of a package. The difference being is that one could have a logical, legitimate reason for happening.

over9five · 02-26-2008, 06:38 AM

Moderator or not, if someone is harassing you, you should be able to put him on ignore.

dannyboy · 02-26-2008, 10:49 AM

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So much for TieGuy's integrity and the sanctity of PM's.

PM's are like emails. I usually dont share them with anyone else unless they are to prove a point. And in his case, it did. Also, I dont believe you asked him not to share the pm with any one else before you posted them, so really they are fair game.

It boils down to this, if you cant stand the heat, get out of the brown truck. And if you lie, dont mess with Tie.

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MrFedEx · 02-26-2008, 11:56 AM

Just as it's martyr creator intended, you have helped close the circle of victimhood with your responses. Yes, I can take the heat, and yes, the GPS issue is the same at both companies. Same technology, same management response...only the color of the trucks are different.
If you'd like to check, my original post on whether or not the DIAD had GPS capability spawned several really good threads, including this one until it got sidetracked.
Sorry that most of you are so hostile to discussions that do cross the boundaries..flame away and keep honoring your martyr. I'll back way off. That way you can be completely ignorant of issues that involve both places. Management likes it when there are no controversies.

9/5Everyday · 02-26-2008, 03:50 PM

You better get a new union steward!!! GPS is not grounds for dismissal. He will get his job back.

DiadDude · 02-26-2008, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 9/5Everyday

You better get a new union steward!!! GPS is not grounds for dismissal. He will get his job back.

You should probably re-read the contract. It matters if this was a first offense and whether there was supporting evidence for the GPS data. Here is the verbage from the teamster website.

8) No employee shall be discharged on a first offense if such discharge is based solely upon information received from GPS or any successor system unless he/she engages in dishonesty (defined for the purposes of this paragraph as any act or omission by an employee where he/she intends to defraud the Company). The degree of discipline dealing with off-area offenses shall not be changed because of the use of GPS.

rod · 02-26-2008, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DiadDude

You should probably re-read the contract. It matters if this was a first offense and whether there was supporting evidence for the GPS data. Here is the verbage from the teamster website.

8) No employee shall be discharged on a first offense if such discharge is based solely upon information received from GPS or any successor system unless he/she engages in dishonesty (defined for the purposes of this paragraph as any act or omission by an employee where he/she intends to defraud the Company). The degree of discipline dealing with off-area offenses shall not be changed because of the use of GPS.

Sounds like the company is the winner when it comes to the wording of this paragraph.

toonertoo · 02-26-2008, 05:12 PM

Thank you Mr Fed ex for my very first negative rep. Oh it hurts.

I have no problem with discussing gps, it is a good subject. I have a problem with the negativity. And the harrassment.

hdkappler · 02-26-2008, 06:25 PM

i remember having a preloader who was good at putting airs in the loads.one customer told me to put down request late to cover me.even had one tell me to sign his name before 10:30 then del whenever.(i wouldn'tdo that).most of the time it was this preloader i had would mess things up.

IWorkAsDirected · 02-26-2008, 06:33 PM

The driver was back to work today, didn't get a chance to talk to him or hear anything. I was busy in the sups office having him try to show me my movements for the day before, but he couldn't get into the system. What a bunch of idiots!

Brown Dog · 02-27-2008, 09:08 AM

[quote=MrFedEx;307577]
Sorry that most of you are so hostile to discussions that do cross the boundaries..flame away and keep honoring your martyr. I'll back way off.
I hope you keep your word- and back off- all the way back over to your own site

over9five · 02-27-2008, 09:13 AM

Knock it off!

Mom's gonna get mad!!!!!!!!!!

UPS Lifer · 02-27-2008, 11:22 AM

After I posted about the GPS, I noticed all the flames in the posts that followed.

I have said this before, FedEx - we did not invite you to come play in our sandbox. You continue to come into the sandbox and kick sand in our faces. Why do you continue to come into our sandbox when you are not wanted here?

You compare your company to ours. Until you have the Teamster union engrained into your business culture for many years and have a contract that is similar to ours, you can't compare Fedex to UPS. Please do not continue to make yourselves look foolish by your constant comparisons. Unless you are a current or retired UPS driver or management person your "expertise" on UPS is not appreciated or of any value to me.

You have every right to talk about FedEx but you always have to add a comparison to UPS. Don't look foolish... leave the comparison out! It makes you look like you want to be a UPSer..... or what I call a "want-a-be".

Please spend more time in your own sandbox. Oh!!! By the way, how many posts can you pull up where UPSers go out of their way to compare themselves to FedEx.....

UPSers are the real deal.... there is no comparison!

dannyboy · 02-27-2008, 01:53 PM

This conversation is kinda like lunch at hardees. 5 UPS trucks in the parking lot. Even if and when the fedex driver swings by and eats (we invite him over) they dont stay long.

Something to think about though. In our Fedex terminal down the road, 9 of the most senior drivers used to deliver for us until our management team ran them off. UPS lost a lot of great people, Fedex gained a lot of experienced and customer savy drivers. It took UPS locally 3-5 years to overcome the migration of both driver and customer to FEDEX.

I personally dont mind their input, but the "your job is exactly like ours" is not accurate. While we are somewhat all in the same boat, and deal with issues that are very simular, the responses and terminology are very different.

But who knows, maybe the FDX drivers will understand that while unionism is not all it is cracked up to be, FDX is a prime example of what UPS would be without.

Just my humble thoughts.

Peace!

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toonertoo · 02-27-2008, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by over9five

Knock it off!

Mom's gonna get mad!!!!!!!!!!

Keep it up over, Your mother must have been named Teresa

satellitedriver · 02-27-2008, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MrFedEx

Just as it's martyr creator intended, you have helped close the circle of victimhood with your responses.

Sorry, I have been out of college for 33 years and was not an English Major.
Could anyone explain to me what this sentence means?
It was not a direct reply to any post, so, who is the you and how does an "it" create a martyr?
The rest of the paragraph explained itself.

dannyboy · 02-28-2008, 06:29 AM

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The driver was back to work today,

With all the distractions, I completely overlooked. Wellthat is great, sounds like they are going to give him another chance instead of letting him go.

Others though would not be that lucky. Bottom line is do not depend on being lucky or on the management's mood. Keep your decisions honest, dont fudge delivery times to cover for anything.

Even if you make a judgement mistake and think you have more than enough time to deliver a ground, and then find out that it took longer to get the air off than you thought, dont fudge. The worst they will do is rant and rave and tell you not to do it again. But if you fudge, you will get caught, and maybe you will get your job back, maybe not.

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IDoLessWorkThanMost · 02-28-2008, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by rod

Sounds like the company is the winner when it comes to the wording of this paragraph.

That's exactly what i said to our good friend Tieguy days ago in this thread. The language is awful and opens many, many doors to unnecessary discipline and even termination.

Big Babooba · 02-28-2008, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by satellitedriver

Sorry, I have been out of college for 33 years and was not an English Major.
Could anyone explain to me what this sentence means?
It was not a direct reply to any post, so, who is the you and how does an "it" create a martyr?
The rest of the paragraph explained itself.

I was an engineering major and I couldn't decipher that sentence either.

Master804 · 03-04-2008, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by IWorkAsDirected

We had a driver terminated last week. He had scanned and stop completed a NDA before getting to the stop. We get really reamed if we have late air. For awhile I was delivering late air at least twice a week even tho I ran straight air, I learned a long time ago to take the criticisim but do it by the book.

Aannny waay..... They have been bringing drivers in and showing them their gps movements, they are threatening to terminate for going off area for any personal reason, go to the bank, lunch whatever. This driver was caught being dishonest on a stop, but the gps info was the proof.

Our center manager said this: "Be careful what you do, with all this new technology I kid you not, they can almost tell you what color tissue you wipe your nose with out there."

chopstic · 03-13-2008, 02:31 PM

GPS may not grounds for termination, but the driver may have personally admitted fault after being presented with GPS data. So the termination isn't due to GPS proof, its due to the driver admitting to dishonest actions.

The-UK-Guy · 04-27-2008, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by IWorkAsDirected

We had a driver terminated last week. He had scanned and stop completed a NDA before getting to the stop. We get really reamed if we have late air. For awhile I was delivering late air at least twice a week even tho I ran straight air, I learned a long time ago to take the criticisim but do it by the book.

Aannny waay..... They have been bringing drivers in and showing them their gps movements, they are threatening to terminate for going off area for any personal reason, go to the bank, lunch whatever. This driver was caught being dishonest on a stop, but the gps info was the proof.

Our center manager said this: "Be careful what you do, with all this new technology I kid you not, they can almost tell you what color tissue you wipe your nose with out there."

How does UPS know that the customer didnt meet him somewhere to pick up his package ?

UPS Lifer · 04-27-2008, 08:39 AM

I t/w a manager recently that says they now have real time (almost) capability to see where the driver is and has been. The program shows where the driver delivered the last stop.

soberups · 04-27-2008, 11:23 AM

The typical pattern is this; management will always overlook a drivers dishonesty AS LONG as it is making the center look good on paper. Once there is a mistake...or once a mess gets created that is too big to hide from Loss Prevention...the management will then turn on the driver like a pack of hyenas in order to save their OWN jobs. They will work hand in hand with Loss Prevention to terminate the "dishonest" driver and make an example of him. One hand washes the other.