Appropriate discipline

1timepu · 03-02-2008, 07:22 PM

Not really a road block, if the traffic is that HEAVY then it aint moving that fast to begin with, also 2:00am in the middle of the night hardly anybody on the road, except a few, and guess what ....knock on wood I have 20 years safe driving so I must be doing something right.

dannyboy · 03-02-2008, 07:43 PM

Sorry, I drive a lot too. 2 am around hotlanta, and if you are doing 80, you better be in the slow lane, cause they WILL run you over.

BTW, 10 MPH under the speed limit? Feeder driver? Hmmmm, is that a work slowdown?

No wonder our feeder loads dont make it on time. And we have a late start time every day. And we deliver half of our air past commit.

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dannyboy · 03-02-2008, 08:31 PM

Dear Fredly ad nasuem

Those of us that quote law find it interesting when those like you make statements that show how little you really know.

For instance, in CA, one of the more liberal states

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(c) A vehicle subject to Section 22406 shall be driven in a lane designated pursuant to Section 21655, or if a lane has not been so designated, in the right-hand lane for traffic or as close as practicable to the right-hand edge or curb. When overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction, the driver shall use either the designated lane, the lane to the immediate left of the right-hand lane, or the right-hand lane for traffic as permitted under this code. If, however, specific lane or lanes have not been designated on a divided highway having four or more clearly marked lanes for traffic in one direction, a vehicle may also be driven in the lane to the immediate left of the right-hand lane, unless otherwise prohibited under this code. This subdivision does not apply to a driver who is preparing for a left- or right-hand turn or who is in the process of entering into or exiting from a highway or to a driver who is required necessarily to drive in a lane other than the right-hand lane to continue on his or her intended route.
Amended Sec. 1, Ch. 300, Stats. 2004. Effective January 1, 2005.

And one from NC

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(h) No person shall operate a motor vehicle on the highway at such a slow speed as to impede the normal and reasonable movement of traffic except when reduced speed is necessary for safe operation or in compliance with law;

And

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shall be driven in the right‑hand lane then available for thru traffic, or as close as practicable to the right‑hand curb or edge of the highway, except when overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction or when preparing for a left turn.

Now, that all being said, the UPS driver was in violation of the aggressive driver and wreckless driving statutes, and that is a crime.

So I agree with Tie. Fire them both.

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Griff · 03-02-2008, 09:26 PM

Are you people clinically insane? Nothing happened beyond a feeder driver failing to follow methods and instruction. There was no accident, so how the hell are you trying to justify a firing? We have a procedure for discipline at UPS, figured I'd remind you of this since everyone here obviously has amnesia. I would go after backpay if I was this driver and if they try to make it stick I'd get a lawyer. I'd never be in that position though, driving like that doesn't save enough time to be worth the risk.

tieguy · 03-02-2008, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Griff

Are you people clinically insane? Nothing happened beyond a feeder driver failing to follow methods and instruction. There was no accident, so how the hell are you trying to justify a firing? We have a procedure for discipline at UPS, figured I'd remind you of this since everyone here obviously has amnesia. I would go after backpay if I was this driver and if they try to make it stick I'd get a lawyer. I'd never be in that position though, driving like that doesn't save enough time to be worth the risk.

interesting argument. So if the driver came in and started shooting at everyone and in the process did not hit anyone or damage anything then he should not get fired either?

Griff · 03-02-2008, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by tieguy

interesting argument. So if the driver came in and started shooting at everyone and in the process did not hit anyone or damage anything then he should not get fired either?

Thanks for answering the first sentence in my post.

paidslave · 03-02-2008, 10:10 PM

The car clearing provoked the feeder driver by not moving to the right lane and the driver flashed his lights letting him know of his presents. Slower drivers are supposed to move to the right lane!

This is a provoked incident and the driver should be written up at most!

Besides who drives around with a video camera? I am sure this is only part of the tape and there is always two sides to every story! The video guy was driving around provoking drivers!

myopinion!

paidslave · 03-02-2008, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by tieguy

interesting argument. So if the driver came in and started shooting at everyone and in the process did not hit anyone or damage anything then he should not get fired either?

Well maybe you should try this? Well actually don't because you probably would be arrested! Walking around shooting at people?

You probably drive everyday like most of us and you should get fired just for making this comparison. You didn't hit anyone either speeding to work or running next day airs by 10:30 but you should be fired anyway. The driver was clearly in a hurry to make time commitments for the company! This driver of the car probably drives in blind spot too and when he gets cut off he doesn't know why!

You don't make any sense!

Sorry...

local804 · 03-03-2008, 04:17 AM

NY State Law

Speed Limit 55
Truck speed limit 50
MINIMUM SPEED LIMIT 40

local804 · 03-03-2008, 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by dannyboy

BTW, 10 MPH under the speed limit? Feeder driver? Hmmmm, is that a work slowdown?

No wonder our feeder loads dont make it on time. And we have a late start time every day. And we deliver half of our air past commit.

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If you ever worked the load/unload/smallsort area you would see the reason why the loads dont make it on time. Werent you on the safety committee when you worked at UPS? Do you remember space cushion? btw, didnt look like it was night time in the video and doing 80 and still getting run off the road? lol

dannyboy · 03-03-2008, 04:28 AM

1 He was not saying he needed one, he said he deliberatly made one. Big difference. Now everybody is passing him and pulling in front of him again, getting rid of his space cushion.

And yes, I was on the safety committee. and I do believe in using the cushion. But to allways drive 10 MPH below the speed limmit is just as bad safety wise as driving 10 above.

2 as far as the 80 MPH statement, two different times and places. That was my personal experience around Hotlanta at 2am.

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raceanoncr · 03-03-2008, 06:39 AM

All I can say is this:

"I had no idea this guy had a camera in his car and was a reporter. Had I known this, I woulda put some duct tape on the logos. Problem solved!"

big_arrow_up · 03-03-2008, 07:59 AM

I believe both people were wrong. In Kentucky, which I live relatively close to, the police would pull the guy with the camera over for riding in the passing lane just as fast as they would have pulled the Feeder over because in Kentucky you aren't supposed to cruise in that lane. This all boils down to common courtesy. If you are in someone's way...GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY!. Also...if someone is in your way don't tailgate. It's equally annoying and dangerous. It's that simple.

dannyboy · 03-03-2008, 08:03 AM

Big arrow

There is one difference. The feeder driver was trained to be a professional.

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feeder53 · 03-03-2008, 08:57 AM

I would set the blame at 50% each. The news driver should be aware of encroaching traffic and move to the right. The feeder driver should see the slower traffic and adjust his actions to fit the situation. If this were the first time for the feeder, I would put a written letter in his file for 6 months if there is notinhg in the union rules as a way of dealing with such actions. The other driver is not UPS concern, and as a news person will sensationalize the stuation for the good of the news station. UPS should set the standard.

moreluck · 03-03-2008, 09:36 AM

Whatever happened to F.I.D.O. ??

UPS Lifer · 03-03-2008, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by moreluck

Whatever happened to F.I.D.O. ??

OK! I will bite. What is F.I.D.O.?

moreluck · 03-03-2008, 10:24 AM

Forget It Drive On !!

tieguy · 03-03-2008, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by paidslave

Well maybe you should try this? Well actually don't because you probably would be arrested! Walking around shooting at people?

You probably drive everyday like most of us and you should get fired just for making this comparison. You didn't hit anyone either speeding to work or running next day airs by 10:30 but you should be fired anyway. The driver was clearly in a hurry to make time commitments for the company! This driver of the car probably drives in blind spot too and when he gets cut off he doesn't know why!

You don't make any sense!

Sorry...

Just curious . Do you have any idea how much that driver endangered the general public driving like that? If that car stops suddenly or has a blow out then that tractor trailer will do a lot of damage and possibly kill a lot of people before he comes to a stop. Would you feel the same way if your wife and kids were in the car being tailgated and then cut off from the front? take your gut out of the us vs them crap and put your family in that situation then tell me whats right and wrong.

At the same time the reporter driving that car knowingly created a hazardous situation to do his new story.

Thus I say fire em both.

mattwtrs · 03-03-2008, 04:02 PM

Who's the professional?

We make allowances for the lack of skill or mistakes of others.

Always treat the other vehicles like there was a loved one inside.

Leave yourself an out.

Progressive discipline for the feeder driver.

Invite the station to put an on board camera in a feeder & pkg car to see what UPS drivers have to put up with every day and then do another report!